crowd watch 2014 part IV

[oldmancraigy]

Your just making numbers up, I paid 50 for a family ticket that was well advertised on social media, radio and tv all week. Parking cost me 20 and
we ate before we went.

Money wasnt the issue, perception thats its all just to hard as an excuse for laziness is along with the negativity of the media scaring off those who lack the ability to think for themselves.

For the record I took my kids from an hour away, left work from the cbd to home and back to the city and we dont follow either team just looking to watch the finals as I thought it would be great game. Its all very doable and affordable if you actually want to watch the footy.

After all that the game was a stinker as far as finals footy goes!

Yeah, but did you have a shower before leaving home?

 

[cleary89]

A simple, simple initiative by the NRL - with the State Government, pay for shuttle buses from Brookvale direct to the SFS, announce it a few times in the media - would surely get a few extra thousand fans across the bridge. It's brainnumbingly simple.

Coordinated shuttle buses directly to the ground from a few key points in the supporter suburbs should be run for every finals game. The NRL have the data and the cost-benefit is obvious.

They did do that. Dunamis lui was talking it up on bsb.

 

[DC_fan]

Over saturated market. Either increase fans or decrease teams if you want bigger crowds. It is clear there are some teams with small fanbases and that is unlikely to dramatically change anytime in the near future. Some teams are currently low drawing but have great potential if it can be realised.

Spot on PR. I have been saying for sometime there is too many Sydney teams and no matter what the NRL does they are never going to increase crowd numbers sufficiently enough to warrant some clubs involvement in the competition.

There is only a certain number of fans who will consistently attend games, some clubs have more then others. But when you spread that number across nine Sydney teams then that can make crowds look poor.

 

[Shipsyeagles]

It has potential to be even worse next weekend

With Manly a chance of playing storm Saturday night at SFS and night before on Friday Penrith/Roosters playing cowboys/broncs

approx 40-45k in total 2 games

 

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Spot on PR. I have been saying for sometime there is too many Sydney teams and no matter what the NRL does they are never going to increase crowd numbers sufficiently enough to warrant some clubs involvement in the competition.

There is only a certain number of fans who will consistently attend games, some clubs have more then others. But when you spread that number across nine Sydney teams then that can make crowds look poor.

It's not about consistently attending games, you expect to get those who don't consistently attend games to at least attend finals.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Just looking at the likely matchups and crowds to come

week 1
cowboys v broncos 25k
roosters v penrith 24k
melbourne v bulldogs 20k

week 2
Penrith v cowboys/brisbane 20-25k
Manly v Melbourne imo 20-25k

week 3
roosters v manly/melbourne 30-35k
bunnies v penrith/cowboys/brisbane 30-40k

It really is looking like a poor set of fixtures from a crowd point of view. Of course it should not matter and fans should be out supporting their team in numbers, but knowing rugby league this will be the lowest finals series crowds for a long time

 

[ouwet]

It has potential to be even worse next weekend

With Manly a chance of playing storm Saturday night at SFS and night before on Friday Penrith/Roosters playing cowboys/broncs

approx 40-45k in total 2 games

The NRL need the Dogs to win... lol

 

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The NRL need the Dogs to win... lol

They should give Melbourne the game and really give Manly something to bitch about.

 

[Martin Bella's Luvhandles]

Dogs of war beware

 

[guyver78]

Manly still crying about the game not being played at Brookie???
Where were all those 16K supporters they brought down with them 2 years ago against the Cowboys??? they had 1 and a 1/2 full bays on the Eastern side, a bit maroon on the western side and that's about as good as it got for them. The Manly GA area was literally empty.

They've get another home final again next week and if it's the Bulldogs then they will be outnumbered 6/7 to 1 again. David Perry really needs to change him marketing strategy during finals time to try and get these people to games instead of whinging about finals games not being played at Brookie.

 

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Manly still crying about the game not being played at Brookie???
Where were all those 16K supporters they brought down with them 2 years ago against the Cowboys??? they had 1 and a 1/2 full bays on the Eastern side, a bit maroon on the western side and that's about as good as it got for them. The Manly GA area was literally empty.

They've get another home final again next week and if it's the Bulldogs then they will be outnumbered 6/7 to 1 again. David Perry really needs to change him marketing strategy during finals time to try and get these people to games instead of whinging about finals games not being played at Brookie.

I think you are being optimistic about David Perry's abilities. With the amount of people who supposedly don't talk to him its surprising the club can even organise the team bus.

 

[guyver78]

If the favourites win this week, next week will be Manly v Melb and Penrith v Cowboys.

Surely common sense would prevail and the games are played at Brookvale and Penrith.

NO WAY!!! Who cares if 8K turn up. The cut-off has to start somewhere and people need to understand that this isn't going to happen anymore. Did you not hear your boss Phil Gould talk about this the other day??? He's reluctant to move games to ANZ because a lot of fans wouldn't follow so he said he wont be anytime in the near future but by the same token if in 2022 Penrith are still playing their games in front of 12K at Penrith Football stadium then they simply wont survive financially.

It's more financially viable to play a Penrith v Cowboys game at ANZ/SFS in front of 7K then it is in Penrith in front of 20K.

 

[Brutus]

The Brookvale Oval whinge continues on Triple M this morning.

Pawwwww Manly fans.

Hardly any mention of the game.

 

[Simo]

Yeah, but did you have a shower before leaving home?

Does a pommy shower count?

 

[maple_69]

NO WAY!!! Who cares if 8K turn up. The cut-off has to start somewhere and people need to understand that this isn't going to happen anymore. Did you not hear your boss Phil Gould talk about this the other day??? He's reluctant to move games to ANZ because a lot of fans wouldn't follow so he said he wont be anytime in the near future but by the same token if in 2022 Penrith are still playing their games in front of 12K at Penrith Football stadium then they simply wont survive financially.

It's more financially viable to play a Penrith v Cowboys game at ANZ/SFS in front of 7K then it is in Penrith in front of 20K.

U wot m8?

What's that got to do with this discussion. Gould says no plans to move games to ANZ and club will struggle if it doesn't improve average crowd therefore in September 2014 he WILL want to move to ANZ. I'm seeing a lot of dots but no lines here.

FTR I believe Penriths food and bev operation is in house so moving to ANZ may not be the obvious money making option it is for say Parramatta.

 

[BunniesMan]

Will Roosters v Penrith get 20k?

It will be sad if an all Sydney top 4 can't get a combined 45k.

U wot m8?

What's that got to do with this discussion. Gould says no plans to move games to ANZ and club will struggle if it doesn't improve average crowd therefore in September 2014 he WILL want to move to ANZ. I'm seeing a lot of dots but no lines here.

FTR I believe Penriths food and bev operation is in house so moving to ANZ may not be the obvious money making option it is for say Parramatta.

Your own club has said they barely broke even this year on crowds. And that was in a good year. What happens in a bottom 4 year.

At ANZ they pay you 6 figures per game. Then bonuses when you hit certain crowd targets. You'd make over a million a year even if literally noone showed up.

 

[Red Bear]

In fairness Penrith got hurt by crap weather.

I think with higher expectations and coming off a strong season they'll do better next year crowds wise.

And that is half of Goulds effort - make them a perpetually successful side, something they've never been, and get more and more casual fans to stick around.

Two points on crowds this weekend and potential low drawing games next weekend

- Realistically, there isn't going to be a 50 000 seat western sydney rectangular stadium built. Money and demand isn't there. Getting Parramatta upgraded to something in the 30-35000 range, or getting another ground built in that region of a similar size, would be ideal, and would've been perfect for next weekends games if they do turn out to be lower drawing sides vs out of town teams.

- People often point to the geographical differences between Melbourne and Sydney as to why the centralised stadium strategy works there but would not work here. What I'd also suggest is that the teams themselves down that way have been very good at drawing from all over the city, essentially they are not confined in their reach to their direct areas. In Sydney this simply isn't the case for several clubs. Manly's isolation was on display last night, Penrith and Cronulla are similar. Souths, Tigers, Bulldogs and Parra generally do quite a good job of having a presence all over the place, but many clubs don't. And it magnifies issues like Manly having a home final in Sydney rather than Manly. The obvious difference here is that thanks to a draft AFL clubs are not tied to one area, like rugby league clubs tend to be with junior development. I do think it's something to look at, although obviously clubs themselves are quite territorial. But anything a club can do to expand their base should be pursued.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Have done a quick scan of finals series back to the sixties I didn't realize that all finals were played at the scg and then sfs on its opening. I might be wrong but was it only under the McIntyre system before the current finals that Sydney clubs got to use suburban grounds in week 1? Makes all the whinging a bit farcical especially when you look at some of the crowds I looked at that flocked to Moore park in past decades.

No doubt that they will bitch and whinge about week 2 at Allianz as well. More Melbourne than manly fans a prospect? Hahaha

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

Townsville to put 'heartland' nsw to shame tonight. Will outdraw roosters/penrith easily. You think come finals time fans will show up nope more excuses.

 

[Red Bear]

Have done a quick scan of finals series back to the sixties I didn't realize that all finals were played at the scg and then sfs on its opening. I might be wrong but was it only under the McIntyre system before the current finals that Sydney clubs got to use suburban grounds in week 1? Makes all the whinging a bit farcical especially when you look at some of the crowds I looked at that flocked to Moore park in past decades.

No doubt that they will bitch and whinge about week 2 at Allianz as well. More Melbourne than manly fans a prospect? Hahaha

Yeah there was only a short period of time that finals were at suburban home grounds.

Manly also got pretty reasonable crowds at their SFS games pre-super league. 32000 in week 1 in 95, similar in 96. They've just become incredibly isolated in the last ten years, and lost alot of fans in the post super league northern eagles farce.