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Crowd Watch, Part III

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Brutus

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So the first blueprint for ARL success was in 1982 with Arko and co and took about 6 years before the game started to grow e.g. Tina Turner year's but was twatted back down with SL war which it took the game to recover 6 years and at the same time as the RWC 2003.

So now I got to wait 6 years for the NRL to be back at it's best.

One thing you can say about Rugby League is that despite the game dying it has a habit of coming back back and biting you on the c**k.

Judging from popularity maybe SOO should be a different code from Rugby League.

Time for your morning poo poo Teddy.

The nurse will be in shortly.
 

AlwaysGreen

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f**k up Teddy you drunken stumblebum.

Fix ticket prices and more people will come. It's pretty much as simple as that. Sort of.
 

franklin2323

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Fix ticket prices and more people will come. It's pretty much as simple as that. Sort of.

Yep. we had $10 adult. $1 kids tickets for last night. The only issue is only pre-paid if you have no credit card. Should be the prices for all games pre-paid or not.

Though we are rubbish so people wont come back comp wise crowds will flock.
 

ouwet

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Newcastle, Canterbury, and Souths should be higher given their club's position (although each has big home matches to come).


Bulldogs have Titans tonight (Monday) And Penrith... Hardly big home matches to come. Also last year we finished 1st, this year we were 1 from 7 to start the season. We'll still average 20,000 which is a brilliant effort again! Tonight I'm expecting 15,000, would be a terrific crowd considering monday night, no Titan supporters in Sydney etc.
 

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Away fans is a excuse for poor crowds imo, the majority at the stadium will be home supporters and few away typically. The fact some people blame away supporters for low crowd at times when it should be the home supporters to not showing up.

The Cowboys get scapegoated for poor crowds in NSW whenever then there since it's a easy excuse to blame them when it's the laziness of the supporters to not show up no matter the position/opposition on the ladder. (Souths/Cows for example)

In particular in 'heartland' areas where reliance on away fans should be kept to a minimum since there should be a core home foundation that can provide a respectable crowd aleast.

You wont get an argument from me our crowds are poor the Newcastle game we drew 5k less then was acceptable

Though not just you guys. The last 3 homes we have had against:

Cowboys: 27,781 - Ave: 9260 last time we drew 14k
Titans: 25,247 - Ave: 8415
Mel: 28,457 - Ave: 9485

We had all 3 this year

Compare to 2 teams that have plenty of support in Penrith (Sometimes I think more then Penrith have)

Tigers: 47,198 - Ave: 15,732
Parra: 46,818 - Ave: 15,606

The extra is away fans
 

CC_Roosters

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Great timing. Clash of the nobodies at 6.30 on Sunday night.

Yes i have never understood why even our obvious low drawing and low viewing fixtures are consigned to night games and even worse now 6.30pm on a Sunday night. Penrith v cowboys is an obvious crowd stinker, history shows us that. We really need an additional afternoon game in place Sunday nights, FFS Fox already get prime time Monday and Saturday nights its time the fans got something back i'm just about fed up with the current tv slots. Would moving this games to sat 3.00pm have affected viewing figures that much? i doub it

The gosford game got more than i expected while the suncorp crowd i think was a bit under par.
 

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Just finished reading all 26 pages of this interesting thread and lots of good points have been made. Being a supporter and a season ticket holder I personally think there's about 5 reasons as to why NRL crowds havent really improved in the last 5 to 10 years.

1. Ticket Prices
I've been a Souths club member (ticketed the last 3 years) and in my opinion ticket prices are wayyy too high. Being a reserved ticketed member I get into the games for about $25 a pop which isn't too bad but for those who arent members getting slugged $40-$50 at the gates for a Cat 1 reserved seats week in, week out for 12-15 games a season is a joke. At the end of the day it is just a 2 hour footy game.
Dont even start me with this "but we have cheap packages for families & cheap tickets to give everybody the opportunity to attend games" crap that Dave Smith pitches. Cheap packages to sit where??? behind the posts at Allianz or ANZ stadium to watch the big screen? No thanks I'd rather not waste my time and a lot of people feel the same.
In 2006 when Souths first moved to ANZ Cat 1 reserved tickets were $30, now they're $50 for the blockbuster games. How can they justify that much of an increase in 6-7 years? Most people that support the game week in week out haven't had a hourly wage increase from $30 to $50 an hour during that time.
Forget the grand final this year. Even though I do want my team to make the grand final it will be funny and interesting to see what happens to all those Diamond/Platinum tickets if both the Rabbitohs & Roosters choke and we see a Cronulla v Melbourne grand final.
Cat 1 Reserved should be no more then $20
General Admission for Adults no more then $10
Kids under 12, let them into the general admission area for free for gods sake

2. Crappy Schedule
For starters i must admit I actually enjoy coming home on a monday night & watching the last game of the round but lets face reality, anyone who hosts a home game on monday night takes a hit of up to 50% less people in crowd numbers. Souths v Roosters usually get a decent turnout but in 2012 when they had both games scheduled for monday night crowds for games were crap.
As said above too many night games and i can sympathize with the families being 1 of those who does attend almost every game when it hits 11 degrees on a friday/saturday night in homebush its bloody COLD. Too often i look around and I see the same families with their kids and the same kids every night game trying to rug up because they're freezing. Why should an average family be slugged well over $100 at night when they can just watch the game in front of a heater for free on TV? can anybody blame them? I dont. Thats the problem though when you're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX.

3. Too many games played
Here's another problem. No matter how you look at we're killing our elite athletes and shortening their careers by an average of 3-5 years with the amount of games we play during the season particularly those who's teams make the finals, origin and test matches. I counted 1 year that Darren Lockyer played over 35 games in a season (2004 i think it was when we had the tri nations tour in England). That's absolutely brutal to the human body so is it any wonder why when someone like Inglis gets injured during the state of origin he then comes out and says this injury has been a "blessing in disguise". Players need and players enjoy that rest when they get even a minor injury. Again we're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX here. In the NFL for instance they only play 16 games and most teams dont make the playoffs after. I think if we did play only 15 or 16 games then I bet crowds would be much bigger as the games would have more meaning. If you support any of the Sydney teams its really not a big deal if you miss a home game because there's almost another 20 games that you can attend during the season so the regular season games dont really have the same meaning as a state of origin game or an NFL regular season game would.

4. Getting away from the smaller grounds
No matter what point of view you hold in regards to this topic I'm not sure how in the long term teams like Manly who play out of brookvale oval, Penrith who play out of Penrith stadium and Cronulla who play out of shark park will be able to compete with the rabbitohs, Roosters, or Tigers(looking at playing more games out of ANZ next year) to name a few who play games out of ANZ/Allianz stadium. Whether you're for or against suburban grounds it's obvious that they're dying a slow death. Sure a lot of people dont like ANZ stadium but my mate is a mad manly supporter & he's dragged me along to a few Manly games this year and let me tell you that standing on that crappy hill when it's 11 degrees like its 1982 all game isn't much fun either. Sure getting 15,000 plus at Brookvale, Campbelltown or Kograh gets a bit of an atmosphere but unfortunately the NRL is just flogging a dead horse there because that's about as good as it will EVER get.

5. Too many teams playing the same style now
Someone brought up a very good point in this thread that no matter what game you watch they all just look the same now, some teams just do it better then others thats all. I personally hate the Dogs and as much as I hated watching them beat Souths last year I enjoyed watching them play period and I cheered for them in the grand final. It reminded me of parramatta back in 2009, how exciting were they to watch back then whether you supported them or not. I think because of the way the NRL reacts to every comment made its made the game exactly the same from week 1 all the way up to the grand final. Someone gets hit in the head, lets ban the shoulder charge. Someone gets hit harder in the knee during a tackle, lets now ban the third man in. Its dumb. A lot of people are bored and sick of it.
 

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My job is as real as the Joey Johns poster above your racing car bed. I don't hace KPIs, I have working visa renewal meetings...do you have KPI's down at the sheltered workshop?

2013 is the anomoly mate. Failing to get that? Crowds have been trending up in a lean time for our competitors, and considering the fact a barely coherent strategy for crowd growth is not even a year old, these things can hardly be criticized. This year is drift. You hardly saw Wayne Jackson, the real brains behind the AFL's growth, crying like a bitch because of a comparatively shitty set of crowds such as 2002. And that was with a laid out long term plan for crowds funded by a good TV deal...

As I said, relax losers. There hasn't even been a strategy yet. These things take years...not days like some of you seem to think.

In actual fact, Rugby League crowds have grown at roughly the same rate as AFL crowds over the last half a century. Their crowds were double ours 50 years ago, and they still are.
 

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Indeed Jason Maher.

Over the last 30 years our growth has outstripped theirs however, and over the last decade it definitely hs bettered theirs. Taken on a 20 year scale their average beats the crap out of RL, and that is not entirely SL, but also the fruitsmof their crowd growing strategies.

I am still of the belief that 20k at decades end is possible.
 

Evenflow

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Warriors, Raiders, Storm, Cowboys, Titans, all had 100 fans in total. I assume Broncos will have 200-300 in 2 weeks. Make these crowds 98% Panthers fans.

Lets add say 3 we haven't had at home Bulldogs, Manly, Sharks in their place would of brought atleast 1-5k extra fans per game. Doesn't make the crowds much better but just where it is.

Mate, the Storm have that issue every home game of every season. We don't have the advantage of playing any local rivals and you certainly don't see thousands of opposition supporters traveling down here for games.

At least you have several teams playing out of the same city as yours which is a massive advantage for boosting crowd numbers in heartland areas. Yes it's a bit unfortunate you copped 6 of your games against out of town teams this season in regards to crowd numbers but it's a hell of a lot better than copping 12 of them every season.
 

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Mate, the Storm have that issue every home game of every season. We don't have the advantage of playing any local rivals and you certainly don't see thousands of opposition supporters traveling down here for games.

At least you have several teams playing out of the same city as yours which is a massive advantage for boosting crowd numbers in heartland areas. Yes it's a bit unfortunate you copped 6 of your games against out of town teams this season in regards to crowd numbers but it's a hell of a lot better than copping 12 of them every season.

Yeah not complaining just saying the way it is. We played Newcastle on a 3 game win streak, Great weather, Sunday and Gower return. 15k should of been minimum we got 10k. Been unacceptable even on the homeside of things. :lol::lol: On to Royce Simmons to fix it like he did Tigers defence
 

ouwet

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Weather taking a turn for the worse... Gale force winds and cold front moving in!! Hopefully it clears soon or the crowd tonight will be effetced.
 

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A few big drawing games in coming weeks should help the crowds a bit. Especially if Brisbane/Newcastle keep winning
 

Teddyboy

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Just finished reading all 26 pages of this interesting thread and lots of good points have been made. Being a supporter and a season ticket holder I personally think there's about 5 reasons as to why NRL crowds havent really improved in the last 5 to 10 years.

1. Ticket Prices
I've been a Souths club member (ticketed the last 3 years) and in my opinion ticket prices are wayyy too high. Being a reserved ticketed member I get into the games for about $25 a pop which isn't too bad but for those who arent members getting slugged $40-$50 at the gates for a Cat 1 reserved seats week in, week out for 12-15 games a season is a joke. At the end of the day it is just a 2 hour footy game.
Dont even start me with this "but we have cheap packages for families & cheap tickets to give everybody the opportunity to attend games" crap that Dave Smith pitches. Cheap packages to sit where??? behind the posts at Allianz or ANZ stadium to watch the big screen? No thanks I'd rather not waste my time and a lot of people feel the same.
In 2006 when Souths first moved to ANZ Cat 1 reserved tickets were $30, now they're $50 for the blockbuster games. How can they justify that much of an increase in 6-7 years? Most people that support the game week in week out haven't had a hourly wage increase from $30 to $50 an hour during that time.
Forget the grand final this year. Even though I do want my team to make the grand final it will be funny and interesting to see what happens to all those Diamond/Platinum tickets if both the Rabbitohs & Roosters choke and we see a Cronulla v Melbourne grand final.
Cat 1 Reserved should be no more then $20
General Admission for Adults no more then $10
Kids under 12, let them into the general admission area for free for gods sake

2. Crappy Schedule
For starters i must admit I actually enjoy coming home on a monday night & watching the last game of the round but lets face reality, anyone who hosts a home game on monday night takes a hit of up to 50% less people in crowd numbers. Souths v Roosters usually get a decent turnout but in 2012 when they had both games scheduled for monday night crowds for games were crap.
As said above too many night games and i can sympathize with the families being 1 of those who does attend almost every game when it hits 11 degrees on a friday/saturday night in homebush its bloody COLD. Too often i look around and I see the same families with their kids and the same kids every night game trying to rug up because they're freezing. Why should an average family be slugged well over $100 at night when they can just watch the game in front of a heater for free on TV? can anybody blame them? I dont. Thats the problem though when you're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX.

3. Too many games played
Here's another problem. No matter how you look at we're killing our elite athletes and shortening their careers by an average of 3-5 years with the amount of games we play during the season particularly those who's teams make the finals, origin and test matches. I counted 1 year that Darren Lockyer played over 35 games in a season (2004 i think it was when we had the tri nations tour in England). That's absolutely brutal to the human body so is it any wonder why when someone like Inglis gets injured during the state of origin he then comes out and says this injury has been a "blessing in disguise". Players need and players enjoy that rest when they get even a minor injury. Again we're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX here. In the NFL for instance they only play 16 games and most teams dont make the playoffs after. I think if we did play only 15 or 16 games then I bet crowds would be much bigger as the games would have more meaning. If you support any of the Sydney teams its really not a big deal if you miss a home game because there's almost another 20 games that you can attend during the season so the regular season games dont really have the same meaning as a state of origin game or an NFL regular season game would.

4. Getting away from the smaller grounds
No matter what point of view you hold in regards to this topic I'm not sure how in the long term teams like Manly who play out of brookvale oval, Penrith who play out of Penrith stadium and Cronulla who play out of shark park will be able to compete with the rabbitohs, Roosters, or Tigers(looking at playing more games out of ANZ next year) to name a few who play games out of ANZ/Allianz stadium. Whether you're for or against suburban grounds it's obvious that they're dying a slow death. Sure a lot of people dont like ANZ stadium but my mate is a mad manly supporter & he's dragged me along to a few Manly games this year and let me tell you that standing on that crappy hill when it's 11 degrees like its 1982 all game isn't much fun either. Sure getting 15,000 plus at Brookvale, Campbelltown or Kograh gets a bit of an atmosphere but unfortunately the NRL is just flogging a dead horse there because that's about as good as it will EVER get.

5. Too many teams playing the same style now
Someone brought up a very good point in this thread that no matter what game you watch they all just look the same now, some teams just do it better then others thats all. I personally hate the Dogs and as much as I hated watching them beat Souths last year I enjoyed watching them play period and I cheered for them in the grand final. It reminded me of parramatta back in 2009, how exciting were they to watch back then whether you supported them or not. I think because of the way the NRL reacts to every comment made its made the game exactly the same from week 1 all the way up to the grand final. Someone gets hit in the head, lets ban the shoulder charge. Someone gets hit harder in the knee during a tackle, lets now ban the third man in. Its dumb. A lot of people are bored and sick of it.

All very good 18-20 round's of NRL sound's about right and I do think the team's playing out of the 2 big stadiums will work in the long run unless it's Manly and where can they go.
 

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Re point 3 too many games and the point on too many night games, here's a radical idea. Expand the comp to 20 teams. You could then either not show the extra two games a round and therefore be at liberty what time of day to schedule them ie you could have three games a week on a Sunday afternoon with only one on tv, or stick with the 8 TV games a week and give 4 clubs byes each round putting far less strain on players. Downside is the expansion would not add any extra income from tv rights but with $1bill a year the game could afford it.
 

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It's not just that it wouldn't add money, each existing club would be worse off. If new teams can't add value to the bottom line they won't be let in.
 
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Funny - my wife and I were only discussing that 26 rounds was too many.

20 teams - 19 rounds with 3 bye weekends for SoO would be perfect IMO.

And have your schedule and opponents locked in each season HAHAH in year 1, 3 and 5 and AHAHA in year 2, 4 and 6.

That way, you play everyone Home and Away in a 2 year cycle.
 

Evenflow

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It's not just that it wouldn't add money, each existing club would be worse off. If new teams can't add value to the bottom line they won't be let in.

Until you actually go to a game then just STFU about anything whatsoever to do with crowds.
 
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