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Crowd Watch, Part III

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elbusto

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Fri night I went to Mel v Souths game.
I am a Cows fan(from QLD) & had to visit Mel & made sure it was a home game for the Storm.
I went as a neutral fan ,because I love RL,yet the spastics who scream the loudest about crowds like bunniesderp,cant even travel a few Kms to watch their own team .
I travelled to the same game from Hobart.

Round trip (with Missus) cost $1300 for the weekend.
 

BuffaloRules

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I do. Seems those that panic the most don't go. We are fine a few amendments to the prices and it will be right up there eg ALL GA tickets $10 adults, Kids $5. There's a few individual clubs (mine included) pulling the others back.

Eels, Dragons and Tigers being the bottom 3 doesn't help but overall there's not huge problems not using EVERY public holiday to market as 'Events' also

I'm sure that there are some that go...

I just notice that a lot of people that post in this thread are here to immeadiately post the crowd and have a whinge, and also seem to post in every game thread...

Maybe a lot of people are doing exactly the same things the whingers are doing - staying at home and watching the game on Fox or illegal streams...
 

Cumberland Throw

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Well I'm going on Friday night

Don't support either team.



Here's one to ponder ; would any of these players make the cut in today's nrl

Steve Mortimer
Peter Sterling
Terry Lamb
Michael Neal
Mike Eden
Wayne Pearce
Jason Taylor
Craig Coleman
Steve Morris
Steve linnane
 

StGeorgeBull

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Well I'm going on Friday night

Don't support either team.



Here's one to ponder ; would any of these players make the cut in today's nrl

Steve Mortimer
Peter Sterling
Terry Lamb
Michael Neal
Mike Eden
Wayne Pearce
Jason Taylor
Craig Coleman
Steve Morris
Steve linnane
A lot of those guys have all the skill and talent in the world but aren't particularly gifted athletically. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were never scouted.

All they're interested in is if you're 6'4 and can move for your size. So many kiwis are playing who were brought up in Union and simply don't understand our game. They might both be rugby codes but there is a very different feel to league and so many of them just don't understand it.

It's all about size and speed and not enough about footballing skill and IQ when it comes to recruiting.

This leads to more boring and predictable teams which leads to more boring and predictable games.
 

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Just finished reading all 26 pages of this interesting thread and lots of good points have been made. Being a supporter and a season ticket holder I personally think there's about 5 reasons as to why NRL crowds havent really improved in the last 5 to 10 years.

1. Ticket Prices
I've been a Souths club member (ticketed the last 3 years) and in my opinion ticket prices are wayyy too high. Being a reserved ticketed member I get into the games for about $25 a pop which isn't too bad but for those who arent members getting slugged $40-$50 at the gates for a Cat 1 reserved seats week in, week out for 12-15 games a season is a joke. At the end of the day it is just a 2 hour footy game.
Dont even start me with this "but we have cheap packages for families & cheap tickets to give everybody the opportunity to attend games" crap that Dave Smith pitches. Cheap packages to sit where??? behind the posts at Allianz or ANZ stadium to watch the big screen? No thanks I'd rather not waste my time and a lot of people feel the same.
In 2006 when Souths first moved to ANZ Cat 1 reserved tickets were $30, now they're $50 for the blockbuster games. How can they justify that much of an increase in 6-7 years? Most people that support the game week in week out haven't had a hourly wage increase from $30 to $50 an hour during that time.
Forget the grand final this year. Even though I do want my team to make the grand final it will be funny and interesting to see what happens to all those Diamond/Platinum tickets if both the Rabbitohs & Roosters choke and we see a Cronulla v Melbourne grand final.
Cat 1 Reserved should be no more then $20
General Admission for Adults no more then $10
Kids under 12, let them into the general admission area for free for gods sake

2. Crappy Schedule
For starters i must admit I actually enjoy coming home on a monday night & watching the last game of the round but lets face reality, anyone who hosts a home game on monday night takes a hit of up to 50% less people in crowd numbers. Souths v Roosters usually get a decent turnout but in 2012 when they had both games scheduled for monday night crowds for games were crap.
As said above too many night games and i can sympathize with the families being 1 of those who does attend almost every game when it hits 11 degrees on a friday/saturday night in homebush its bloody COLD. Too often i look around and I see the same families with their kids and the same kids every night game trying to rug up because they're freezing. Why should an average family be slugged well over $100 at night when they can just watch the game in front of a heater for free on TV? can anybody blame them? I dont. Thats the problem though when you're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX.

3. Too many games played
Here's another problem. No matter how you look at we're killing our elite athletes and shortening their careers by an average of 3-5 years with the amount of games we play during the season particularly those who's teams make the finals, origin and test matches. I counted 1 year that Darren Lockyer played over 35 games in a season (2004 i think it was when we had the tri nations tour in England). That's absolutely brutal to the human body so is it any wonder why when someone like Inglis gets injured during the state of origin he then comes out and says this injury has been a "blessing in disguise". Players need and players enjoy that rest when they get even a minor injury. Again we're at the mercy of channel 9 and FOX here. In the NFL for instance they only play 16 games and most teams dont make the playoffs after. I think if we did play only 15 or 16 games then I bet crowds would be much bigger as the games would have more meaning. If you support any of the Sydney teams its really not a big deal if you miss a home game because there's almost another 20 games that you can attend during the season so the regular season games dont really have the same meaning as a state of origin game or an NFL regular season game would.

4. Getting away from the smaller grounds
No matter what point of view you hold in regards to this topic I'm not sure how in the long term teams like Manly who play out of brookvale oval, Penrith who play out of Penrith stadium and Cronulla who play out of shark park will be able to compete with the rabbitohs, Roosters, or Tigers(looking at playing more games out of ANZ next year) to name a few who play games out of ANZ/Allianz stadium. Whether you're for or against suburban grounds it's obvious that they're dying a slow death. Sure a lot of people dont like ANZ stadium but my mate is a mad manly supporter & he's dragged me along to a few Manly games this year and let me tell you that standing on that crappy hill when it's 11 degrees like its 1982 all game isn't much fun either. Sure getting 15,000 plus at Brookvale, Campbelltown or Kograh gets a bit of an atmosphere but unfortunately the NRL is just flogging a dead horse there because that's about as good as it will EVER get.

5. Too many teams playing the same style now
Someone brought up a very good point in this thread that no matter what game you watch they all just look the same now, some teams just do it better then others thats all. I personally hate the Dogs and as much as I hated watching them beat Souths last year I enjoyed watching them play period and I cheered for them in the grand final. It reminded me of parramatta back in 2009, how exciting were they to watch back then whether you supported them or not. I think because of the way the NRL reacts to every comment made its made the game exactly the same from week 1 all the way up to the grand final. Someone gets hit in the head, lets ban the shoulder charge. Someone gets hit harder in the knee during a tackle, lets now ban the third man in. Its dumb. A lot of people are bored and sick of it.
Great post. I agree that we should shorten the rounds for player welfare and would impact crowds in a positive way too. If we want to be successful like the NFL we need to look at bigger stadiums also, I've been saying the same thing about suburban grounds. Was great back in the day but if we want to be a professional sport we need to utilise the best stadiums in Sydney. If the fans don't travel I'm sure Perth or Brisbane will happily take the clubs spot off their hands.
 

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Great post. I agree that we should shorten the rounds for player welfare and would impact crowds in a positive way too. If we want to be successful like the NFL we need to look at bigger stadiums also, I've been saying the same thing about suburban grounds. Was great back in the day but if we want to be a professional sport we need to utilise the best stadiums in Sydney. If the fans don't travel I'm sure Perth or Brisbane will happily take the clubs spot off their hands.

I'm not sure the problem is a lack of empty seats.

Rather than increases to capacity, it's improvements to facilities that are required. Toilets, food and drink outlets, and most importantly cover are severely lacking in a lot of our stadiums. While their move to AAMI has coincided with more premierships, the Storm's crowds have risen since moving there, and the facilities and spectator experience at their new stadium must surely have been a positive factor.
 

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Yes!



Speaking for myself I went to my first day game on the weekend. I would dearly love a few more Sunday arvos at the footy. I think next round of TV negotiations we need to get more control over the draw and start spreading things around.



Well, post-Origin I have just been to a 31k game. During Origin they were low 20s, albeit on Monday nights. Crowds are back in my hood (or at least hopefully will be this Friday night as well).

I think the 630 Sunday timeslot is crap. Ditto Monday. I think the NRL needs to be able to deliver regionally appropriate slots to certain teams, particularly Penrith, Canberra and NQ.

As for grounds like Brooky: they are well loved, as witnessed by the vehement defence they get around this forum. However, and this is an important however, when their crowds are good, they are still in the high teens (or thereabouts). When they are woeful, they are in the four figures, and sometimes well down there.

I am not going to reargue getting rid of these grounds, but does anyone here have a sensible suggestion for them? If we are going to keep all of these, how can I put this?, legacy teams in the comp, what can we do to break their crowds out of the boom-bust cycle? Surely the grounds play a part?

Lowering ticket prices would be a very good start at getting game attendances up and I think would solve more then 50% of the game crowds problem. I know for a fact that if I was getting slugged $50 a game week in, week out I'd probably attend a lot less games. They charge you $30 to stand on the hill at Brookvale oval, it's ridiculous. For those of us who are ticketed members it's not too bad price wise but unfortunately for the NRL most people who choose do attend a Sydney game when you do get a crowd of 25,000 plus arent season ticket holders and it's those people who have to pay $50 a ticket or even worse if you're a family.

Someone suggested 1 friday night, 2 saturday night and the rest sunday afternoon games. Thats a great idea. I would even add to that and say maybe 2 friday night, 1 or 2 saturday night and the rest saturday and sunday afternoon games. Either system would work better then what we have now. Bring back saturday afternoon 3pm games permanently, not just for a few weeks a year.

And as for those who support grounds like Brooky? How many actually attend those games week in week out at those grounds? Just keep in mind that for as many people that support those grounds there are just as many that will stay away and not attend those games for that reason alone. I know that if i had a family I would take them to watch the Rabbitohs or Roosters at Allianz stadium but would I take my family to support the Dragons and keep them standing/sitting on a cold hill in Kograh oval? I think not.

I think what the administrators of the game have to work on is a way of adding some is meaning to the regular season games played every week. It's gotten to the point where its almost like basketball or baseball in the US where they play over 80 games and losing is really no big deal because even at this point of the season now someone like the Warriors who've won 9 and lost 11 can still make the finals.
 

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I'm sure that there are some that go...

I just notice that a lot of people that post in this thread are here to immeadiately post the crowd and have a whinge, and also seem to post in every game thread...

Maybe a lot of people are doing exactly the same things the whingers are doing - staying at home and watching the game on Fox or illegal streams...

No doubt some go but to EVERY game? That's the thing people wont go to every game. So we need price changes or schedule changes to help but the interest is there
 
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franklin2323

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Great post. I agree that we should shorten the rounds for player welfare and would impact crowds in a positive way too. If we want to be successful like the NFL we need to look at bigger stadiums also, I've been saying the same thing about suburban grounds. Was great back in the day but if we want to be a professional sport we need to utilise the best stadiums in Sydney. If the fans don't travel I'm sure Perth or Brisbane will happily take the clubs spot off their hands.

NFL gets away with it as it's pretty much has no competition and huge media saturation. Here RU or AFL would get the press etc.

As for best grounds. I don't go to ANZ no matter the time terrible veiwing among other problems. That would be the case for plenty add the extra 40 mins means night games would be non family friendly.

It's not like we have Panther fans going wow they are playing so well I would go and watch them IF they played at another staduim. Though we have the best viewing GA seats in the comp. Just need to lower the prices to convince people to put our rubbishness aside and go to games.
 

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Crowds have not returned (yet) to NRL games after the state of origin.

We have played four rounds after Origin this season. In that time the average crowd is 14,414. Last season in the four rounds following origin the average crowd was 16,461.

That's a drop off of 2,047 per game or approx 12 percent.
 

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If we are to reach last years total of 3,153,142 we will need to pull in a total of 641,815 fans over the next four weeks. That is an average of 160,454 per round or 20,057 per game.
 

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Dropping prices is really only going to help at big, central stadiums and even then you still really need to sort out the free PT as an equal priority.
 

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I'm sure that there are some that go...

I just notice that a lot of people that post in this thread are here to immeadiately post the crowd and have a whinge, and also seem to post in every game thread...

Maybe a lot of people are doing exactly the same things the whingers are doing - staying at home and watching the game on Fox or illegal streams...

That's why I only comment on the crowds for games I go to. (Unless its a great crowd)
 

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The big challenge is how do you turn around the games like the bulldogs on Monday night that draw 5-10k less than a clubs avg. maybe taking low drawing games on the road more to areas that will generate crowds, maybe special ticket deals for these games, maybe free entry for mums or something for certain games? Eventually the NRL is going to have to give clubs like Penrith a kick up the backside and tell them sub 10k crowds are simply not acceptable if they want to stay in the NRL.

This years crowds are down due to the clubs with decent support not performing so well (parra,wests, warriors, st's,broncos) the poorly supported clubs doing well but not getting much crowd growth (manly,cronulla, titans) and souths fans not responding to success as everyone predicted they would.

Roosters and storm deserve some praise for crowd performance this year and bulldogs have generally done ok.
 

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The Dogs average has gone below 20k and they only have one home game left against famed travellers Penrith.

We will have the biggest average crowds in Sydney and 2nd overall by the time round 26 is finished. I guarantee our next 3 home games will have a combined crowd of 100,000. And we will do that with no afternoon games at ANZ all year. So how about you stop talking crap about us PR.
 

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Leagueunlimited.com/finals-a-microcosm-of-regular-season/

Interesting read above. Will be interesting what they do charge for finals tickets this year. Last year at ANZ/Allianz it was $60 for reserved and $40 from unreserved if i remember correctly.
 
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SaraSassypants

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I'm not sure the problem is a lack of empty seats.

Rather than increases to capacity, it's improvements to facilities that are required. Toilets, food and drink outlets, and most importantly cover are severely lacking in a lot of our stadiums. While their move to AAMI has coincided with more premierships, the Storm's crowds have risen since moving there, and the facilities and spectator experience at their new stadium must surely have been a positive factor.
Sorry, that's what I meant when I referred to 'bigger stadiums' I was referring to ANZ and SFS. My bad.
 

guyver78

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The Dogs average has gone below 20k and they only have one home game left against famed travellers Penrith.

We will have the biggest average crowds in Sydney and 2nd overall by the time round 26 is finished. I guarantee our next 3 home games will have a combined crowd of 100,000. And we will do that with no afternoon games at ANZ all year. So how about you stop talking crap about us PR.

The only Sydney clubs to get good crowds are the Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Dragons, Tigers and Eels.

Manly, Penrith, Cronulla and the Roosters don't really draw big crowds. In saying that tho even Souths haven't been getting the crowds this year that I was expecting.

The Roosters have a high average this year but a lot of that can be accredited to the 36,000 they got in Round 1 against Souths and 40,000 they got against the Dragons during Anzac day.
 

SaraSassypants

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As for best grounds. I don't go to ANZ no matter the time terrible veiwing among other problems. That would be the case for plenty add the extra 40 mins means night games would be non family friendly.
I can understand that, many people don't like ANZ, but I'm willing to bet even more people don't like Brookie, Shark Park or WIN Kogarah. When it comes to stadiums it's not just about the home fans you've got to think about but also the teams who will be travelling. Generally, if you love your team you'll attend their home games no matter where they're played but when it comes to their away games it's usually a different story. As someone said previously, for some families it's much easier and comfortable to take your kids to the SFS or ANZ than it is sitting on a hill at Shark Park or Brookie. I think this could make a difference in crowds if addressed at the same time as ticket prices.
 
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The only Sydney clubs to get good crowds are the Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Dragons, Tigers and Eels.

Manly, Penrith, Cronulla and the Roosters don't really draw big crowds. In saying that tho even Souths haven't been getting the crowds this year that I was expecting.

The Roosters have a high average this year but a lot of that can be accredited to the 36,000 they got in Round 1 against Souths and 40,000 they got against the Dragons during Anzac day.
Our current average is skewed by not having day games and not having home games against Dogs and Easts yet.

We will have an average of 20,000 by the end of round 26. Something that has only been achieved 5 times by Sydney clubs in history. And I bet we'll be the only ones who have done that without day games.

If that is not good enough for anyone they are off their meds.
 
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