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D day for Parramatta

Name three players Parramatta must keep if they are to make the playoffs.


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The property development at the Sharks has little to nothing to do with recruitment. A rich club is one that has great facilities away from the footy field.

Manly have never had good training facilities , delmege investment was in buying the club.


You bring up Souths and yet they are struggling this year despite being a rich club.


You contended that rich clubs will always be at the top of the table no matter the salary cap , that's patently false

Souths & Roosters , both rich & both bottom 8

Raiders & Panthers both rich & both middle table

The NRL is one of the most even comps on earth , you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Yep, I mean do people forget the Roosters finishing 13th in 2012. Or in 2011 when the Roosters finished 11th? If you look at the previous decade, after 2003 the Roosters only made the semis in 2008 and 2010, and in 2009 got the wooden spoon to boot.

You are right HH in what you say. The bloke is deluded.
 

carcharias

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As much as it must suck to be a parra fan today the club has tried to cheat.
So just cop it .

My club got flogged for using peptides ( that don't work ) for 4 weeks .
So for years of secret salary cap cheating this seems like a fairly soft penalty.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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Taking this to the Supreme Court is another bad idea in a very long list of bad ideas that Parra have had. This just drags out the inevitable even longer and shows an arrogance that even Melbourne didn't show.
 

Someone

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On top of what has been decided already, a salary cap penalty of 100% of the amount by which the cap was exceeded for the remainder of this season and next (no competition points until compliance is reached), reducing by 20% per season after that, indexed to rises in the cap.

that idea is ridiculous. punish us for 5 years?
 

Walt Flanigan

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maybe so but all the ability to accrue points and still 'potentially' reach the finals does is create false hope so we have our hearts broken twice. we aren't winning 12 from 15.

apart from that, im not too sure how much harder we should have been hit?

4 wins outside the 8 with 17 rounds left. If you keep playing like you're playing I don't see the Eels missing the 8.

Of course we'll have to see which players will go.
 

beave

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Because the NRL had no f**ken clue they were over the cap. Goes to show how effective their 'audit' process is. It was only when a disgruntled 'person' squeeled to the DT that the NRL became aware of it.



Because there is no guarantee they would have won. I bet all the other teams who have yet to play Parra would be real happy with that happening.



Therein lies half the problem with the cap - and the whole NRL in fact. It is not an even playing field. It is cheaper to live in certain areas so that clubs clearly benefit by being able to pay less than they would need to live in Sydney. And they get reasonably priced land and houses trough TPA's.
It just does not work.

The difference is the NQ players paid market value for the houses, they were never given discounts on the land that Lancini had sold them. The only advantage they probably got is that he Lancicn may have had some of the better lots under his direct control as from memory the Kalynda Chase suburb is his development. Townsville doesn't have multi national companies headquarted there like Sydney does, so to counter your argument, it's harder to get high profile and high paying TPA's up there compared to the Sydney landscape.
 
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This is how the ABC news website is reporting the legal challenge -

Parramatta Eels officials fighting NRL's proposed salary-cap sanctions in Supreme Court

Updated 18 minutes ago
Tue 3 May 2016, 6:18pm

The five Parramatta officials in danger of being deregistered by the NRL are in the Supreme Court in Sydney this evening fighting the league's proposed sanctions for salary cap breaches.

Chairman Steve Sharp, deputy chairman Tom Issa, director Peter Serrao, chief executive John Boulos and football manager Daniel Anderson have been asked to show cause why their registrations should not be cancelled.
Lawyers acting for the group say they have been denied "procedural fairness", a claim denied by lawyers for the NRL.

A judge has made an interim order, preventing the NRL from imposing limitations on the officials' duties. The league had wanted to restrict their duties to preparing responses to the allegations. The case will return to court on Friday.

The club will not be able to accrue any competition points until the 2016 team is back under the cap, and it remains to be seen what effect, if any, the officials' legal action will have on the speed of this process.

It comes after coach Brad Arthur said the playing unit was focused on winning 12 of its final 15 games in order to make the finals after being stripped of the 12 competition points it had gained through nine rounds.

While Tuesday's announcements pertained to the club and officials, players and their agents may still have questions to answer after the next phase of the NRL integrity unit's investigation is complete.

"There's a phase of this investigation to come. I'm looking at some of the material we have and the conduct of player agents," integrity unit boss Nick Weeks said.

"Ultimately that's going to be passed across to the agent's accreditation committee if in fact we identify material we think they ought to have a look at."

"There's a piece of work that we still need to do with respect to agents and we will look at the conduct of some players in that as well," he added.

Weeks said part of the evidence surrounding the club's cap rorting involved paying players cash under the table but added he could not make a blanket statement about any possible punishments or any one player's culpability in cheating the cap.

"In some cases it would be perfectly reasonable for a player to be under the impression that he has a legitimate third-party arrangement with a company," he said.

"We might look at that from a different perspective from the salary cap rules."

Despite this, Weeks said players, not just clubs, were beholden to cap regulations and "like most things in life, there has to be accountability".

Punishments cannot be meted out to the club without impacting the playing group, despite the protestations of a number of former players, including former Brisbane Bronco Denan Kemp.

Kemp hosts a web series called The Locker Room and wrote on its Facebook page about how unfair it was that players would be punished for the club's mistakes.

"To punish an entire group of players that most likely had absolutely no knowledge of their club officials' actions is an outrage. Why should the group of players suffer the brunt of the punishment when they had absolutely nothing to do with the management of the salary cap?" the post read.

"It wasn't the players' responsibility to keep tabs on their salary cap nor should it be. It's the NRL and the Eels board responsibility.

"First the board failed the players and then the NRL failed the players by not staying on top of each club's salary cap and how it was spent. And yet as usual the players and the fans will suffer the blow of the NRL's mismanagement."

I don't necessarily agree with Kemp's opinion quoted in the article above. Only reason, you cannot isolate the players from the rest of the club. Yes they may be blameless as individuals, but they work for an organisation that has done the wrong thing and you cannot in this instance just isolate punishment to the administration.
 

Jaegerex

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Maybe I used the wrong terminology- thats what I meant, sorry.

Ah okay, my understanding of what I had read so far, if and it is a big if, he is granted a medical retirement he gets the rest of his contract payed out not counted under the cap, only starting from next year though.
So it would not help them this year at all. It would just help them avoid a heavily back loaded contract for future caps.

That is my understanding from articles published on the matter.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Taking this to the Supreme Court is another bad idea in a very long list of bad ideas that Parra have had. This just drags out the inevitable even longer and shows an arrogance that even Melbourne didn't show.

Splutter splutter splutter WHAT?

You mean the club that marched across their playing field in a planned show defiance/siege mentality towards the media and public, still count their GF 'wins' as premierships, have a fan base that still count themselves as victims through the whole thing etc?

I'm not saying Parra going through the courts is a good idea but f**k me, their level of arrogance will never amount to anything the cheating purple f**kers got up to. Never mind that the players and coach were absolutely up to speed on what was going on as well. And have never been punished personally, yet still pipe up as to the injustice of it all (yes I'm talking about you, Cam Smith).
 

Dogs Of War

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So they would need to get the right result from the court case or else they risk losing parra more points cause they won't be under the cap pretty much ensuring they can't make the finals.
 

Eelementary

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Even after winning spoons, I never thought I'd be embarrassed of my club - and now I am.

We deserve everything we get.
 

Leber

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Splutter splutter splutter WHAT?

You mean the club that marched across their playing field in a planned show defiance/siege mentality towards the media and public, still count their GF 'wins' as premierships, have a fan base that still count themselves as victims through the whole thing etc?

I'm not saying Parra going through the courts is a good idea but f**k me, their level of arrogance will never amount to anything the cheating purple f**kers got up to. Never mind that the players and coach were absolutely up to speed on what was going on as well. And have never been punished personally, yet still pipe up as to the injustice of it all (yes I'm talking about you, Cam Smith).

Agreed. Parras fans seems to be handling this with an element of class.

Kia kaha parra fans.
 

Bazal

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The 5 directors going to court......you are all a disgrace

Put your hand up and take responsibilty.

This. They should all be banned for life by the club...it's not enough that they've dragged the club into the mud like it's never been before, now they want to drag it through the courts as well? All for their own ego and their own reputation. Disgusting
 

Eelementary

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Even I think giving us a chance (however slim) to win the Premiership is wrong.

We haven't been successful, but we've been breaking the rules, and for years, too.

We should be playing for nothing this year imo.
 

MarkC

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The 5 directors going to court......you are all a disgrace

Put your hand up and take responsibilty.

Well said.

I have a lot of sympathy for the fans, but no sympathy for the management, they knew what they were doing and they knew the risks.

I can;t see how they can ultimately win a court case.

If anything Parra season ticket holders should be suing them.

Directors have a duty of care and legal responsibilities, at lot of what went on seems very questionable in a number of ways.

It is not the behaviour of professional ethical directors, far from it.
 

Eelementary

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This. They should all be banned for life by the club...it's not enough that they've dragged the club into the mud like it's never been before, now they want to drag it through the courts as well? All for their own ego and their own reputation. Disgusting

This times one million.

f**k those pricks.
 

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