D day for Parramatta

[Avenger]

The reason why i think the nrl should come down on parra is because i honestly believe every other club (besides a couple like say the knights and titans) are probably cheating. I think the nrl should put the fear of god into the teams.

If its a slap on the wrist though this has to be the standard from now on. Which means the cheating will just continue.

Maybe its time to look into the whole system.

So Parra should be the sacrificial lamb? Can everyone nominate your club?

 

[POPEYE]

So Parra should be the sacrificial lamb? Can everyone nominate your club?

We ate lamb in '10, this year's menu is goat . . . has to be easily prepared though, would never convince anyone on MKR

 

[Snappy]

So it was Scott Seward all along. How isn't that a conflict of interest seeing that Greenberg and him have been good friends for a while? How can his evidence be accepted as reliable if he was alleged to be a rogue CEO and possibly at the very least involved with the breaches? Did he have an epiphany or is revenge the motivator? He has given a 37 page statement. Why can't our board or their legal representatives test the veracity of Seward's evidence? This is why an extra 28 days was given to respond. Interesting times ahead. I cannot see this ending in June.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/par...06-gonsgq.html

Are you inferring that Seward has just made up the allegations to get revenge ? If that's the case then he would know that he's opened himself up to legal action against him. I'd suggest that he realised that he had nothing to lose and told of what he knew.

I believe part of Seward's statement was detailing what the GO5 knew in regards to the rorting, which is why it's integral to the current court proceedings. However it had also been reported that there are audio recordings of board meetings in which they openly discussed how to rort the cap. You you think that this hard evidence would help to back up Seward's claims.

Lets also not forget that the current court proceedings are all about the GO5 desperately attempting to hold onto their jobs, and not the wider allegations of salary cap rorting. The entire case would not just be resting on Seward's statement. The NRL appear to have stacks of evidence to back up their claims.

 

[Sphagnum]

Are you inferring that Seward has just made up the allegations to get revenge ? If that's the case then he would know that he's opened himself up to legal action against him. I'd suggest that he realised that he had nothing to lose and told of what he knew.

I believe part of Seward's statement was detailing what the GO5 knew in regards to the rorting, which is why it's integral to the current court proceedings. However it had also been reported that there are audio recordings of board meetings in which they openly discussed how to rort the cap. You you think that this hard evidence would help to back up Seward's claims.

Lets also not forget that the current court proceedings are all about the GO5 desperately attempting to hold onto their jobs, and not the wider allegations of salary cap rorting. The entire case would not just be resting on Seward's statement. The NRL appear to have stacks of evidence to back up their claims.

Keep fighting the good fight

 

[SDM]

lol @ NRL, Greenberg, News Ltd & Snappy

 

[Sphagnum]

lol @ NRL, Greenberg, News Ltd & Snappy

:lol:

3 paragraphs of spin at 7 o'clock in the morning. Some people are just awful at trolling.

 

[nomis88]

Rugby League is at it's healthiest when the Parramatta Eels are in their rightful place at the bottom of the ladder. 30 years of nothing. What a bargain buy Whatmouth was? $700k plus TPA"S !!!

 

[Parra]

THE SALARY CAP: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
MADE EASY FOR YOU BY MR TODD GREENSPAN, CEO OF THE NRL AND GOVERNOR OF THE RESERVE BANK.

FAQ. What exactly is the purpose of the salary cap?

GREENSPAN. Thanks for your most FAQ. It's very simple and transparent. The salary cap's first purpose is to stop NRL clubs from spending themselves into bankruptcy.
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FAQ. Have Parramatta spent themselves into bankruptcy?
GREENSPAN. No. In fact, they're one of the wealthiest NRL clubs.

FAQ. Its other purpose?
GREENSPAN. To stop wealthy clubs from obtaining an unfair advantage by outspending their opposition on players.
FAQ. Where did Parramatta finish in the years they cheated the cap?
GREENSPAN. In 2015, 12th. In 2014, 10th. In 2013, 16th.
FAQ. So did they obtain an unfair advantage?
GREENSPAN. We've modelled their results if they hadn't been cheating, and believe me, you don't want to see them. But they're also being penalised for this year, when they are every chance of making the finals.
FAQ. This year. Anthony Watmough's retirement brings them more or less under the cap?
GREENSPAN. Correct.
FAQ. How many games has Watmough played?
GREENSPAN. None.
FAQ. So a team for which a permanently injured Watmough cannot play is non-cap compliant and cannot accrue points?
GREENSPAN. Correct.
FAQ. And a team for which a retired Watmough cannot play is compliant and can accrue points?
GREENSPAN. Yes.
FAQ. So what's the difference between a compliant Eels team and a non-compliant team?
GREENSPAN. Nothing. Maybe half a David Gower. But it's the principle. They should be penalised for cheating.
FAQ. Last year, and the two years before that?
GREENSPAN. And this year.
FAQ. But the penalties only apply this year, not the years when the cheating made a difference to the actual personnel on the field.
GREENSPAN. We can take their 2013 wooden spoon away, but other than that, there's nothing to take.
FAQ. You could backdate the punishment and take away all their competition points from 2013, 2014 and 2015.
GREENSPAN. That wouldn't be fair to other clubs. Such as Cronulla and Newcastle, who would lose their wooden spoons from 2014 and 2015.
FAQ. And you couldn't backdate penalties?
GREENSPAN. Well, that would make a mockery of the idea of punishment.
FAQ. (Cough.) Cronulla!
GREENSPAN. (Into sleeve) Bernie, can we check the obstruction on that?
FAQ. Couldn't salary cap breaches operate like playing advantage in a game? As in, you only get penalised if you obtain an actual advantage from your breach, but if it's made no difference to anyone else, just let the game run?
GREENSPAN. Advantage? What's that? Have you watched a game of rugby league lately?
FAQ. Okay, so it's more like the obstruction rule: you penalise regardless of whether or not anyone has obtained an advantage.
GREENSPAN. It's in black and white. (Into sleeve) Thanks Bernie, we'll go to the board.
FAQ. What clubs have been in trouble with their salary cap in the past five years?
GREENSPAN. Dragons and Panthers once each, Tigers and Raiders twice each, Titans and Eels three times each.
FAQ. Has any of those teams obtained any advantage in that time?
GREENSPAN. The salary cap is working well and transparently.
FAQ. Just wondering. Why don't the teams everyone thinks are rorting the cap and win premierships ever get caught? Like, how do the Roosters pick up Sonny Bill Williams, James Maloney, Michael Jennings and Luke O'Donnell in one year? How do those Cowboys players own half the houses in Townsville?
GREENSPAN. We have no evidence of any breaches by those clubs.
FAQ. How do the Broncos, who have 12 internationals and went within seconds of winning the 2015 premiership, get lucky and suddenly pick up James Roberts?
GREENSPAN. We have no evidence.
FAQ. Of a breach?
GREENSPAN. No evidence that James Roberts has signed a contract and is being paid by the Broncos.
FAQ. No evidence?
GREENSPAN. We don't know what his signature looks like.
FAQ. He's the Dally M centre of the year. He's on the field every week.
GREENSPAN. We have no evidence of that. In fact, we have seen a signed affidavit that the Broncos' number 4 is the former Gold Coast football manager Scott Clark.
FAQ. The question remains. Why is it only the battlers who get busted under the salary cap?
GREENSPAN. You forget Melbourne.
FAQ. Ah, Melbourne. They're saying they were punished too heavily, losing two premierships when they did nothing worse than Parramatta.
GREENSPAN. We let them keep their seven Tour de France titles.
FAQ. They're still not happy.
GREENSPAN. We're considering giving them their 2010 World Club Challenge trophy back, to shut them up.
FAQ. But consistency is still the issue, isn't it? Isn't Parramatta's biggest crime not their dishonesty, but their incompetence?
GREENSPAN. In cheating the cap and still finishing down the bottom?
FAQ. No, in getting caught.
GREENSPAN. (Inaudible.)
FAQ. So, to finish: how much is the salary cap, exactly?
GREENSPAN. $6.8 million plus third-party agreements.
FAQ. Which amount to?
GREENSPAN. (Inaudible.)
FAQ. Pardon? Transparent? So how much is it exactly?
GREENSPAN. (Sweating heavily, making obsolete square TV-screen motion.) Can I send that one to the Bunker? Bernie? You there?
FAQ. We're asking the questions here.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...salary-cap-20160505-gonm96.html#ixzz47vCFZEZx

 

[Mr Spock!]

Revoke their licence and kick em out.

The original penalties were too soft and now the eels are acting like total merkins.

 

[Pete Cash]

So Parra should be the sacrificial lamb? Can everyone nominate your club?

My club wasnt caught. If we had been id be devastated. From this point on though cap cheating is just a slap on the wrist. Write off a season but keep an illegally assembled team. Sweet deal. You guys might not even have to write off the season yet.

Why shouldnt a team like Newcastle when they get free of the nrl ownership just cheat immediately.

 

[Miller was a legend]

f**k em, kick em out and bring Perth in.

Scourge of the league

 

[Spot On]

I've already posted my thoughts on this issue in this thread previously. Im not going to type it all out again. In brief, Gee clearly had something to hide, but that could be of a persoanl nature, and anything not even related to football. Also that's rubbish that they couldnt obtain documents from the club. The club self reported the matter.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...s-and-the-missing-300000-20141116-11o0tx.html


Mystery of the Brisbane Broncos and the missing $300,000

Roy Masters November 17 2014
Roy Masters
The Case of the Missing $300,000 is rugby league's equivalent of Russia's "we destroyed the computers."

No one at the Broncos can explain how $300,000 from the Broncos Leagues Club was spent, or mysteriously repaid, while all correspondence involved in Russia's successful bid to host the 2018 FIFA World Cup disappeared when their computers were destroyed.

Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL would not register Gee.
Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL would not register Gee. Photo: Tamara Dean/Fairfax Australia
Sport has finally found an answer to the corporate world's legal defence: "I don't recall."

The recently released annual report of the Broncos Leagues Club (BLC) admits $298,000 was used by the Broncos then football manager, Andrew Gee, for purposes it can't explain, while the NRL can't find any evidence it was used to make secret payments to players at the associated Broncos NRL club.

ASIC is not pursuing the matter, presumably because the money was repaid.

Note 19 of the financial statements in the annual report admits: "Over the past two financial years, funds from the Club were made available to, or on behalf of, Andrew Gee who, at the time, was a director of the Club. The amounts involved totalled $298,000. Those payments occurred without appropriate supporting documentation, without first obtaining member approval and without board approval. The full amount of $298,000 was repaid to the Club prior to the end of the financial year. The Club subsequently notified ASIC that there may, in the circumstances, be a reasonable basis to suspect that these transactions breached the Corporations Act. ASIC has since notified the Club that they will not be taking any further action."

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Leagueland is left wondering how the Broncos survived a salary cap bullet, while speculating that Gee, who resigned over the matter and refused to answer questions from the NRL, took one for the club.

Questions remain: (i) where did the money go? (ii) why is ASIC not interested? (iii) why are any of the BLC board who presided over the mess still in their positions? (iv) who repaid the $300K?

The NRL has not taken action because there is no evidence the Broncos Football Club contravened the Corporations Act or the ASX Listing Rules.

Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL will not register Gee should he seek to hold a post such as football manager under his old mentor, coach Wayne Bennett.

It is strange, however, why ASIC apparently doesn't intend pursing it. Perhaps the strategy of BLC having the money repaid has worked. Ultimately, there is no damage. Nobody lost money, so ASIC can move on.

But this does not satisfy clubs like the Storm, Bulldogs, Titans, Warriors and Raiders who have lost premierships, points, players and payments from sponsors, as well as paid massive fines, as a result of salary cap breaches (some still contested).

Surely BLC and Gee are in a precarious position under the Corporations Act and with ASIC.

The Corporations Act requires an auditor to report to ASIC (within 28 days) where it has reasonable ground to suspect a significant contravention of the Corporations Act . Note 19 in the annual report suggests the BLC auditor informed ASIC. The real question is how it was characterised or explained to ASIC. This is relevant because the auditor with the obligation to report to ASIC (Pitcher Partners) is the same auditor that, during previous audits, has missed the (unapproved) funds flowing out to Gee in prior years. By the company's own admission these payments were not approved by the board or members, yet they were missed by the auditor as well. The money just vanished but as mysteriously as that happened, it was returned. No harm, no foul.

Gee was a director of Broncos Leagues Club and an employee of the football club.

The Corporations Act provides for criminal sanctions where a director recklessly or intentionally acts dishonestly or uses their position directly or indirectly to gain an advantage for themselves. Based on what appears to have occurred - and what is now confirmed in BLC's audited financial statements - Andrew Gee would have some explaining to do, which probably explains why not talking to the NRL was the lesser of two evils he was facing.

In the same way as the Russians believe the story on their 2018 World Cup bid is dead, so do the Broncos. But in terms of BLC, there is still a fair bit of explaining to do - not to the NRL but to ASIC, their members and the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing.



Those auditors do a wonderful job. So to do those at the club who give out 300K without any documentation!

 

[THE CHAMP]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...s-and-the-missing-300000-20141116-11o0tx.html


Mystery of the Brisbane Broncos and the missing $300,000

Roy Masters November 17 2014
Roy Masters
The Case of the Missing $300,000 is rugby league's equivalent of Russia's "we destroyed the computers."

No one at the Broncos can explain how $300,000 from the Broncos Leagues Club was spent, or mysteriously repaid, while all correspondence involved in Russia's successful bid to host the 2018 FIFA World Cup disappeared when their computers were destroyed.

Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL would not register Gee.
Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL would not register Gee. Photo: Tamara Dean/Fairfax Australia
Sport has finally found an answer to the corporate world's legal defence: "I don't recall."

The recently released annual report of the Broncos Leagues Club (BLC) admits $298,000 was used by the Broncos then football manager, Andrew Gee, for purposes it can't explain, while the NRL can't find any evidence it was used to make secret payments to players at the associated Broncos NRL club.

ASIC is not pursuing the matter, presumably because the money was repaid.

Note 19 of the financial statements in the annual report admits: "Over the past two financial years, funds from the Club were made available to, or on behalf of, Andrew Gee who, at the time, was a director of the Club. The amounts involved totalled $298,000. Those payments occurred without appropriate supporting documentation, without first obtaining member approval and without board approval. The full amount of $298,000 was repaid to the Club prior to the end of the financial year. The Club subsequently notified ASIC that there may, in the circumstances, be a reasonable basis to suspect that these transactions breached the Corporations Act. ASIC has since notified the Club that they will not be taking any further action."

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Leagueland is left wondering how the Broncos survived a salary cap bullet, while speculating that Gee, who resigned over the matter and refused to answer questions from the NRL, took one for the club.

Questions remain: (i) where did the money go? (ii) why is ASIC not interested? (iii) why are any of the BLC board who presided over the mess still in their positions? (iv) who repaid the $300K?

The NRL has not taken action because there is no evidence the Broncos Football Club contravened the Corporations Act or the ASX Listing Rules.

Former chief operating officer Jim Doyle has indicated the NRL will not register Gee should he seek to hold a post such as football manager under his old mentor, coach Wayne Bennett.

It is strange, however, why ASIC apparently doesn't intend pursing it. Perhaps the strategy of BLC having the money repaid has worked. Ultimately, there is no damage. Nobody lost money, so ASIC can move on.

But this does not satisfy clubs like the Storm, Bulldogs, Titans, Warriors and Raiders who have lost premierships, points, players and payments from sponsors, as well as paid massive fines, as a result of salary cap breaches (some still contested).

Surely BLC and Gee are in a precarious position under the Corporations Act and with ASIC.

The Corporations Act requires an auditor to report to ASIC (within 28 days) where it has reasonable ground to suspect a significant contravention of the Corporations Act . Note 19 in the annual report suggests the BLC auditor informed ASIC. The real question is how it was characterised or explained to ASIC. This is relevant because the auditor with the obligation to report to ASIC (Pitcher Partners) is the same auditor that, during previous audits, has missed the (unapproved) funds flowing out to Gee in prior years. By the company's own admission these payments were not approved by the board or members, yet they were missed by the auditor as well. The money just vanished but as mysteriously as that happened, it was returned. No harm, no foul.

Gee was a director of Broncos Leagues Club and an employee of the football club.

The Corporations Act provides for criminal sanctions where a director recklessly or intentionally acts dishonestly or uses their position directly or indirectly to gain an advantage for themselves. Based on what appears to have occurred - and what is now confirmed in BLC's audited financial statements - Andrew Gee would have some explaining to do, which probably explains why not talking to the NRL was the lesser of two evils he was facing.

In the same way as the Russians believe the story on their 2018 World Cup bid is dead, so do the Broncos. But in terms of BLC, there is still a fair bit of explaining to do - not to the NRL but to ASIC, their members and the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing.



Those auditors do a wonderful job. So to do those at the club who give out 300K without any documentation!

That's 298k.
Get it right.

 

[Maximus]

Ahh so because he expressed an opinion on your team contrary to what you believe he's a troll. Got ya.

I thought his posts read as anything but trolling.

Keep swinging.

El Diablo is the guy who claimed WADA officials were meeting to change the rules to get Essendon off. He is a nutcase. Best to just ignore him.

 

[AnAccountant]

People still wasting their breath talking about the Brisbane Broncos in this thread! Lol.

Why waste your time? This thread is about the salary cap cheating scum, the Parramatta Eels.

The Brisbane Broncos have never lost any points or been fined a large amount for intentionally cheating the cap.

 

[El Diablo]

El Diablo is the guy who claimed WADA officials were meeting to change the rules to get Essendon off. He is a nutcase. Best to just ignore him.

lol

what a load of bullshit

 

[LESStar58]

The original penalties were too soft and now the eels are acting like total merkins.

With the help of the nrl...

 

[Bazal]

Revoke their licence and kick em out.

The original penalties were too soft and now the eels are acting like total merkins.

5 scumbag directors acting like merkins don't speak for the Eels. Or for many of the fans for that matter. Hell, there one Eels player who's spoken to the media has called for them to stand down

 

[catweasel]

Kick them out of the comp & put NT side in.

 

[Perth Red]

Do they have to pay back the $390k prize money from the nines? didn't see it in the penalties handed down.