D day for Parramatta

[Parralike]

Do you think he added the cash payments into the audit ?

That hasn't been proven
Any of you ever received cash in hand
Noo of course not lol

 

[Snappy]

That hasn't been proven
Any of you ever received cash in hand
Noo of course not lol

Do you think the NRL would have made this accusation if they didnt have evidence ?

And actually no. I've never been paid cash in hand.

 

[Aus_Dog]

That hasn't been proven
Any of you ever received cash in hand
Noo of course not lol

None of us are subject to Salary Cap rules though. Taxation rules yes, but not a Salary Cap

 

[Parra]

But this board look to be utter dribblers so I question their mettle to come up with that plan. :lol:

Always interesting to find people who still believe everything they read in the papers.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

None of this is Schubert's fault. He can only act on information and records provided. If anything was hidden from him, he is not to know

I have to freely admit I know little or nothing about salary cap auditing before I go on.

But what is he employed for if he can't investigate and find irregularities and therefore cheating of the cap at clubs? With the Storm rort, the media uncovered it. And that's not their full-time job. Isn't Schubert's full time job to monitor the salary cap? I really don't get it.

To me, if an employee doing a thorough job on the salary cap existed in the NRL, this whole Parra thing would never have got to where it is. But this is a common, uneducated man's view on it.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Always interesting to find people who still believe everything they read in the papers.

Read in the papers?

What are you on about jibberer?

I was responding to another post that suggested the board might be using Schubert as a fall guy....:crazy:

 

[Miller was a legend]

I have to freely admit I know little or nothing about salary cap auditing before I go on.

But what is he employed for if he can't investigate and find irregularities and therefore cheating of the cap at clubs? With the Storm rort, the media uncovered it. And that's not their full-time job. Isn't Schubert's full time job to monitor the salary cap? I really don't get it.

To me, if an employee doing a thorough job on the salary cap existed in the NRL, this whole Parra thing would never have got to where it is. But this is a common, uneducated man's view on it.

Thanks for your post Penrose.

Schubert isn't employed as Cap auditor by the NRL anymore. He was contracted by Parramatta to ensure their messy Cap situation was brought under control.

My point was that if he wasn't given details of what was happening in the boardroom, he could hardly advise them or include what he might consider needing to be included in the cap calculations.

He wouldn't have authority to conduct a forensic audit unless the Board made that part of his duties in his contract.

Just my thoughts anyway

 

[Parralike]

Still cheating the taxpayers but that doesn't count right lol

 

[Sphagnum]

People quoting the telegraph really are the lowest ebb of human intelligence

 

[El Diablo]

Read in the papers?

What are you on about jibberer?

I was responding to another post that suggested the board might be using Schubert as a fall guy....:crazy:

nobody has said Schubert is a fall guy

he's there to help fix things but it appears the NRL have used dodgy methods in determining Parra over the cap this year

they have added TPA's from 2013 to 2015 on to the 2016 salary cap

when Schubert did the Eels 2016 cap figure he used no such stupid methodology. obviously he never did this when he was salary cap auditor

 

[Snappy]

they have added TPA's from 2013 to 2015 on to the 2016 salary cap

Ive seen numerous Parra fans (on this forum) say this today. Where has this information come from ?

 

[Cloudsurfer]

I have to freely admit I know little or nothing about salary cap auditing before I go on.

But what is he employed for if he can't investigate and find irregularities and therefore cheating of the cap at clubs? With the Storm rort, the media uncovered it. And that's not their full-time job. Isn't Schubert's full time job to monitor the salary cap? I really don't get it.

To me, if an employee doing a thorough job on the salary cap existed in the NRL, this whole Parra thing would never have got to where it is. But this is a common, uneducated man's view on it.

100% agree.
Neither would've Storm's.
How can these long-term rorts happen?
Surely Schubert isn't the sole guy doing the work...is there other staff?
Are they under-resourced in the finance dept that they only pick one club each year & if that one is ok they assume the rest are and wait till next year to pick another one?
More than 1 or 2 clubs are over each year and are fined - doesn't that ring some bells and require a whole-of-club (or clubs) full audit at least every couple of years?
Seems like they rely on outside info to catch systemic rorting.
A bigger threat to do away with systemic rorting is for the NRL to have a dept of more than just Schubert that actually works on pan NRL audits (proper ones) of all club's books every year or every 2nd year - or at least half of them one year & rotate the other half the next?

 

[Parralike]

https://twitter.com/gus10gould/status/728491787862474752

 

[Miller was a legend]

Schubert isn't working for the NRL

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Thanks for your post Penrose.

Schubert isn't employed as Cap auditor by the NRL anymore. He was contracted by Parramatta to ensure their messy Cap situation was brought under control.

My point was that if he wasn't given details of what was happening in the boardroom, he could hardly advise them or include what he might consider needing to be included in the cap calculations.

He wouldn't have authority to conduct a forensic audit unless the Board made that part of his duties in his contract.

Just my thoughts anyway

Okay, that makes complete sense in the Parramatta regard. And if true, and I have no reason to not believe you, I feel sorry for Eels fans that the position they are in today, and in fact for the last 7 or so years, owes in full to the complete incompetence, egotism and foolhardiness of their Board.

But who was in charge from 2012 until now? Did the NRL employ a full-time cap auditor or is that position no longer in existence? If so, what is the point when most of the major salary cap rorts that have been uncovered (Bulldogs, Storm, Eels) were either brought upon by the media or inside leaks?

 

[Snappy]

https://twitter.com/gus10gould/status/728491787862474752

Phil GouldVerified account
‏@Gus10Gould Phil Gould Retweeted Sam
The breach has occurred because TPAs have been put into cap by NRL, where previously Eels had them outside the cap


That's no ground breaking news. I would have thought it was obvious.

Parra were not declaring certain TPA's because they were obtained illegally through deceitful means.

Of course the NRL is then going to include them in the cap when they were pretty much bogus TPA's with the money coming from the club anyway.

 

[Snappy]

100% agree.
Neither would've Storm's.
How can these long-term rorts happen?
Surely Schubert isn't the sole guy doing the work...is there other staff?
Are they under-resourced in the finance dept that they only pick one club each year & if that one is ok they assume the rest are and wait till next year to pick another one?
More than 1 or 2 clubs are over each year and are fined - doesn't that ring some bells and require a whole-of-club (or clubs) full audit at least every couple of years?
Seems like they rely on outside info to catch systemic rorting.
A bigger threat to do away with systemic rorting is for the NRL to have a dept of more than just Schubert that actually works on pan NRL audits (proper ones) of all club's books every year or every 2nd year - or at least half of them one year & rotate the other half the next?

Schubert no longer works for the NRL.

There is a new guy, whose name I cant recall, who is the chief Salary Cap Auditor. He has a team that works for him. Nick Weeks explained in the press conference on Tuesday, that they conduct regular audits of all clubs. Also if they receive any info that suggests an irregularity, they will go and do an investigation.

 

[IFR33K]

Phil GouldVerified account
‏@Gus10Gould Phil Gould Retweeted Sam
The breach has occurred because TPAs have been put into cap by NRL, where previously Eels had them outside the cap


That's no ground breaking news. I would have thought it was obvious.

Parra were not declaring certain TPA's because they were obtained illegally through deceitful means, which is why Parra wernt declaring them in the cap.

Of course the NRL is then going to include them in the cap when they were pretty much bogus TPA's with the money coming from the club anyway.

Ok, so when's it a good time to pull the tpa's out of the eels cap? 2017? 2018? 2020???? It's amazing how the NRL has just made up some rules as they go. No doubt we've done some wrong doing, but the penalty handed down and the way they have arrived to it is a little bizarre. If the admin has done a few dodgy deals, police should be brought in and appreciate actions need to be taken. If the 2016 team is cap compliant without the 2013,14 and 15 tpa's, then the penalty shouldnt be all 12 points.

 

[El Diablo]

Ive seen numerous Parra fans (on this forum) say this today. Where has this information come from ?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/577bd877af24e4f5712954301959a871

Garrard?s anger was inflamed by suggestions the directors believed as late as last week that they were as much as $200,000 under the cap for this season.

However, The Australian understands the NRL rolled all the club?s third parties for the past three years ? $760,000 in total ? into this year?s payments because they believed they were guaranteed, pushing the club over the cap.

 

[IFR33K]

Also, it would be very interesting to see the third party sponsons that they have been included in this years cap. I'm assuming there's some players that are no longer at the eels, that are having their sponsorship money included in our 2016 cap.

I'd be very interested to see how all this would hold up in a court of law. I'm sure that the NRL has thought all this out thou.