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Daily Telecrap at their lowest - Rugby league is not a sport, it's an atrocity

russ13

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Now if only the DT would re-print that list.

This bit ranckles a bit:

...Beyond our eastern cities and one in New Zealand, some grimy towns in England's north and a few rustic French villages, rugby league does not exist...
Not so much for the inaccuracies, stereotyping & lies but it sounds similar to Professor Tony Collin's (the British academic historian) sarcastic put down of a John O'Neill quote.

Last year when Quade Cooper was considering a Parramatta offer O'Neill said he would be better off in union as he would potentially be a world-wide celebrity etc.

Anyway I am thinking he has plagiarized the Collin's article. I'll get it.
 
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I remember when some Wallabies twat in 2004 said "play rugby see the world, play league and see Wigan" during the Wallabies Spring Tour. That tour went to England, Scotland and France. At the same time the Kangaroos were on a tour that took in New Zealand, England, France and the USA.
 

russ13

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Here's Collin's rebuttal to O'Nell's outburst implying that union was a world game when Quade Cooper was thinking of going to Parramatta:

20 August 2010
...Hmm. That all depends on how you define 'the world'.

Last year a Wallaby with a Super 14 club would see have played in New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland and Britain. In the same year, a Kangaroo with an NRL club would have played in Britain, France and New Zealand.

So an Australian union international would have visited precisely one more country than an Australian league international.

Hardly 'having the world at your feet' is it?

It's a common conceit in rugby union to believe that it is played across the entire planet, while league is restricted to a couple of housing estates in Sydney's outer west and a pit village in the north of England.

But compared to soccer, neither union nor league are 'world' games in any meaningful sense of the word.

The rugby codes are only seriously played in the former white settler 'Dominions' of the British Empire, plus France. Even Argentina was traditionally regarded as part of the 'informal' British Empire of close trading partners.

No amount of bluster about TV viewing figures or the number of teams in the rugby union world cup can alter the fact that union's world is pitifully small in comparison to soccer.

And it's shrinking too.

Since the advent of professionalism, the chances of elite union players touring countries like Japan, Fiji or other second tier nations have evaporated under the endless grind of Tri-Nations, Six Nations and pointless summer tours.


And remember, only four countries have ever won the union world cup... just one more than has won the rugby league world cup.

If union is a 'world' game, it is the world of the 19th century British Empire. And who would want to be part of that?
http://rugbyreloaded.blogspot.com/2010/08/quade-cooper-and-john-oneills-fantasy.html


Who is Tony Collin & is he better qualified in this field than out car salesman mate?

Here are some of Dr Collin's publications:

Monographs



  • Mud, Sweat and Beers: A Cultural History of Sport and Alcohol (written with Wray Vamplew) (2002), Berg, ISBN 1859735584[8]

Essay Collections
Edited books
  • Encyclopedia of traditional British rural sports (edited with John Martin and Wray Vamplew) (2005), Routledge, ISBN 041535224X[11]

  • The Glory of their Times: crossing the colour line in rugby league (edited with Phil Melling) (2004), Vertical, ISBN 978-1904091073
Lectures


Collins has three times been awarded the Lord Aberdare Literary Prize for Sports History book of the year.[3]
 
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madunit

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I've not read all the posts in here, but I do have this to say to Mr Pottinger if he has the intellect to read it after he googles himself yet again.

Mr Pottinger has displayed in one short article why he should not be hired as a journalist.

His key facts which he relies upon to justify his hypocritical nonsensical drivel are in fact, lies that he made up.

Three times he tells us he doesn't hate Rugby League and that he prefers to ignore it - yet he writes this piece in possibly the highest circulating newspaper in Australia. That's not ignorance Paul, thats very clear hypocrisy you idiot. I'd have thought someone who is a journalist and deputy editor no less would see this very clearly.

You've fooled some important people to not only get your job, but also to keep it.

But I digress. You go on to say:
"Beyond our eastern cities and one in New Zealand, some grimy towns in England's north and a few rustic French villages, rugby league does not exist."

Except for those tiny little places called Papua New Guinea, Lebanon, Italy, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, America, Canada, Russia..... It has existed since 1895, and in Australia the game became more popular than Union prior to the outbreak of WWI. The game was introduced to France in 1933-34 and it became more popular in the entire country than Union prior to the outbreak of WWII. Who's the short man?

"Please - I implore you - don't use rugby league in the same sentence as "World Cup" unless you wish to be battered by force 10 gales of laughter."

There are just as many teams competing in the Union and League world cups as there is in the Cricket world cup, why not raise that as well?

"Then there is the spectacle itself - 26 post-adolescents with hideously engorged musculature dressed each week in different livery, yet each of which somehow resembles a beverage can. These run in strict linear patterns until a mistake is made and one lot falls over the other's line. For this points are awarded."

Just like Rugby Union and AFL. Bundaberg Rum anyone? even soccer teams are sponsored by Alcohol companies. Carlsberg? Your single-mindedness has prevented your ability to be objective and factual. Lying is bad.

"When Balmain played Glebe in the 1915 grand final"

There was no Grand Final or even any finals at all in 1915. The season was first past the post, Balmain won 12 games and drew 2 (undefeated) and were declared premiers at the end of Round 14.

"young men were being sacrificed at Gallipoli"

Many Rugby League players from Australia, England and New Zealand (including test players) fought and died at Gallipoli, throughout WWI and WWII. The great Duncan Thompson served in both wars.

"The Queensland Rugby Union was unable to reform until 1929."

That says more about the strength and popularity of Rugby Union than anything negative about Rugby League.

"But it does strike me as a slightly anomalous note when the code wraps itself in the flag and has the Last Post played at its Anzac Day Test"

Because its a nationwide tribute, of which even Rugby League players sacrificed their lives. You don't earn a right to commemorate, are you really this stupid? Seriously?

"I don't begrudge its right to exist, which is more than can be said of its attitude toward everyone else."

So you don't like its 'attitude toward everyone else' as you perceive it, in what has been clearly perceived as a small, uneducated, simple mind that relies on lies and moronic opinion than actual facts. yet you sprout this dimwitted vitriol. More hypocrisy.

You are a disgrace to journalism. You are a blatant liar. You are an idiot, I sincerely mean that, you are an hypocritical idiot.

When I studied journalism, we were taught to research your facts.

You must have been on the toilet at the time, your published work resembles what you would have produced that fateful day you were on the toilet instead of actually learning something.

Just a final tip - steer clear of opinion pieces on topics you clearly have absolutely no idea about, because someone above you will find out just how stupid you are and you will lose your job.
 

russ13

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Right on the money madunit.


Same here.


But I disagree with this:

...His key facts which he relies upon to justify his hypocritical nonsensical drivel are in fact, lies that he made up....

I don't think he's smart enough to have an original thought.

He's probably regurgitating the writings of a cadre of union writers such as Stephen Jones, Spiros Zavos, Frank Keating etc.
 

russ13

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It might be insignificant in the scheme of things in England but RL for all of the last century was the second most watched spectator sport behind soccer.In the immediate post WW II they had a few seasons where they attracted several million spectators.

Not bad forsome grimy towns in the north is it.


Also he obviously hasn't heard about the summer RLC:

imagesource.php


History

The Rugby League Conference (RLC) started life as a concept in 1997, bringing together 12 amateur clubs based in the 'non-traditional' areas of Great Britain. The key difference between the Rugby League Conference and other leagues is that it is played during the summer months, and this opens up opportunities for many people to take up the sport who are engaged in other sports during the winter. Some clubs have developed second teams and junior sections, and the continuation of this internal growth will be an area for consideration in the coming years. The RFL is committed to the future expansion of the RLC, and firmly believes that the RLC will be a major expansion tool for the game.
http://www.rugbyleagueconference.co.uk/rlc/clubs.html

2011 Season
Initial line-ups as follows (new clubs in italics):

  • National Division: Bramley Buffaloes, Coventry Bears, Dewsbury Celtic, Featherstone Lions, Gateshead Lightning, Hemel Stags, Huddersfield Underbank Rangers, Kippax Knights, Nottingham Outlaws, Valley Cougars, Warrington Wizards
  • North West Premier Division: Accrington & Leyland Lions, East Lancashire Vikings, Liverpool Buccaneers, Mancunians, Widnes West Bank, Wigan Riversiders
  • Yorkshire Premier Division (East): Barnsley Broncos, Cutsyke Raiders, Knottingley Rockware Stolze, Moorends-Thorne Marauders, Rotherham Giants, Scarborough Pirates, Walton Warriors, York Lokomotive
  • Yorkshire Premier Division (West): Doncaster Toll Bar, East Leeds, Guiseley Rangers, Leeds Akkies, Lindley Swifts, Parkside Hawks, Prospect Pirates, Shaw Cross Sharks
  • Midlands Division (West): Birmingham Bulldogs, Bristol Sonics, Leamington Royals, Telford Raiders
  • Midlands Division (East): Birmingham Bulldogs A, Leicester Storm, Northampton Demons A, Nottingham Outlaws A
  • Southern Premier Division: Eastern Rhinos, Hainault Bulldogs, Hammersmith Hillshoists, South London Storm, St Albans Centurions, West London Sharks,
  • Welsh Premier Division: Bridgend Blue Bulls, Cardiff Demons, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire & Ceredigion Bears, Titans, Torfaen Tigers, Valley Cougars A
  • Scottish Premier Division: Ayrshire Storm, Carluke Tigers, Easterhouse Panthers, Edinburgh Eagles, Fife Lions, Moray Eels
  • North East Premier Division: Gateshead Spartans, Gateshead Storm, Jarrow Vikings, Peterlee Pumas, Sunderland City, Wallsend Eagles
  • Scottish 1st Division: Aberdeen Warriors, Ayr Knights, Cumbernauld, Falkirk, Moray Titans
  • North East Regional Division: Cramlington Rockets, Durham Demons, East Cumbria Crusaders, Hartlepool, North Yorkshire Stallions, Peterlee Pumas A, Whitley Bay Barbarians, Winlaton Warriors
  • North West Regional Division: Blackpool Sea Eagles, Cadishead Rhinos, Chester Gladiators, Chorley Panthers, Crewe & Nantwich Steamers, Rochdale Cobras
  • East Division: Bedford Tigers, Bury Titans, Northampton Demons 'A', Norwich City Saxons, St Ives Roosters, Sudbury Gladiators
  • London & South Division: Elmbridge Eagles, Guildford Giants, Greenwich Admirals, Medway Dragons, Portsmouth Navy Seahawks, Southampton Spitfires, Sussex Merlins
  • South West Division: Devon Sharks, East Devon Eagles, Exeter Centurions, North Devon Raiders, Plymouth Titans, Somerset Vikings, South Dorset Giants, South Somerset Warriors
  • West Of England Division: Bristol Sonics A, Gloucestershire Warriors, Oxford Cavaliers, Swindon St George, Wiltshire Wyverns
  • South Wales Championship: Blackwood Bulldogs, Bonymaen Broncos, Dyffryn Devils, Tydfil Wildcats Rugby League, Neath Port Talbot Steelers
 
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madunit

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thats the plan :)

Will do it tonight, will let you know if the gormless twat has the guts to reply.
 

supercharger

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I don't get why crowds are apparently the be all and end all anyway. There's too many discrepancies in the comparative cities for it to matter. There's more to do in Sydney on a weekend than in Melb, NRL tickets are more expensive than AFL ones.

Even if that were all even, they'd still try to argue the TV ratings. The AFL idiots in TFC try to claim the AFL GF would smash the NRL GF into oblivion if it were held in prime time because they lose rating to people - wait for it - doing their shopping or having barbecues in parks :lol:
Crowds are not the be all and end all but there is a lot of room for improvement in attendance in the NRL
Forget the cradle of idiocy and the geniused code of football there is something wrong with them anyway
but i have lived in exciting cities with a lot of things to do but attendance doesnt suffer because of it (although none had as many teams as Sydney does)
well except BA which always has atleast 12 teams in primera division
 
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Canard

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Isnt that Amatuer RL in England blurb out of date? For instance the Super League is and had been played in the summer now for about 10 years or so?
 

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