Dean Young

[Dragon David]

We need an experienced outsider coach to take the reins. We had decent success with David Waite and of course Wayne Bennett, so for me someone like Bennett and Bellamy would be great and to a lesser extent Griffin.

 

[hazzbeen]

Replace nospam with sporting news in the link mate no space

Thanks ....

 

[KogarahWarrior]

Sorry mate the link isn't working for me .... Is it just me ?

Sorry mate, tried updating it a couple of times and it wouldn't change the link to Sporting News :/

 

[hazzbeen]

Sorry mate, tried updating it a couple of times and it wouldn't change the link to Sporting News :/

Thanks mate , all good ....

 

[Smurf]

Dean is very refreshing and honest

https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2020/08/27/coachs-preview-round-16-v-titans/
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2020/08/27/coachs-preview-round-16-v-titans/

 

[Inisai Toga]

Dean is very refreshing and honest

https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2020/08/27/coachs-preview-round-16-v-titans/
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2020/08/27/coachs-preview-round-16-v-titans/

Agree Smurf, I couldn’t say at this stage how he would go as a head coach long term, but I detect a high level of confidence emerging from his language.

He answers questions directly, whist also leveraging off the question to project subtle messages to his team. Dare say he learnt this skill from Uncle Wayne.

Furthermore, he isn’t the centre of the conversation and there is a no bullshit, yet, sophisticated assertiveness in the responses he provides. This IS refreshing and in my opinion, has great appeal, particularly in light of what we have been through and where our side currently sits in their development.

 

[True_Believer]

Agree Smurf, I couldn’t say at this stage how he would go as a head coach long term, but I get a feeling of a high level of confidence that emerges in his language.

He answers questions directly whist also leveraging off the question to project subtle messages to his team. Dare say he learnt this skill from uncle Wayne.

Furthermore, he isn’t the centre of the conversation and there is a no bullshit yet sophisticated assertiveness in his responses that he provides. This IS refreshing and in my opinion has great appeal, particularly in light of what we have been through and where our side currently sit in their development.

What he's also done in that interview is provided us an insight into certain players fitness and the future of the young players.

As predicted, he wants to get the best team on the field to give the team every chance of making the finals (while at the same time admitting it's a long shot). And going by his comments I'm reading between the lines that he doesn't feel the young guns are ready.

 

[Auntie.Gerald]

its interesting Deano's position he is taking

opposite to Uncle wayne

Dean is putting it !00% back on the players. He is saying what he expects of the players to achieve.

Wayne always protected his players.

So let's roll this out........if the players start loosing will it be the same narrative from Deano?

players, players players no playing their part?

 

[possm]

its interesting Deano's position he is taking

opposite to Uncle wayne

Dean is putting it !00% back on the players. He is saying what he expects of the players to achieve.

Wayne always protected his players.

So let's roll this out........if the players start loosing will it be the same narrative from Deano?

players, players players no playing their part?

The dialogue and tone will change completely after our next loss.

 

[Inisai Toga]

its interesting Deano's position he is taking

opposite to Uncle wayne

Dean is putting it !00% back on the players. He is saying what he expects of the players to achieve.

Wayne always protected his players.

So let's roll this out........if the players start loosing will it be the same narrative from Deano?

players, players players no playing their part?

Respectively disagree AG; I remember Wayne challenging Matt Cooper in a 2009 press conference when his form was below par and similarly when we lost 5 in a row mid 2011, by challenging the players to dig themselves out of the rut. He’d protect them when he had to, but he’d use the press to his advantage (still does) when the situation arose/arises.

 

[getsmarty]

Dragons interim wants the top job — but he might settle for working under one ‘old school’ man
NRL Premiership

• August 27, 2020 12:43pm
• Mark St John@markdfstjohn
• Source: FOX SPORTS

Dean Young and Shane Flanagan.Source: Getty Images
Brad Fittler has backed former Broncos and Panthers coach Anthony Griffin to join Dean Young as part of a Dragons succession plan.

Paul McGregor’s departure has opened the door for interim coach Dean Young to take the reins at the Dragons full-time, but Fittler believes the rookie coach would benefit from serving an apprenticeship under a more experienced mentor.

“It was interesting Dean Young came out and gave praise to Anthony Griffin,” Fittler said on WWOS’ Freddy and the Eighth.

“Dean Young’s obviously pushing for the job as well. Whether Dean Young believes that because there’s some players in the Dragons at the moment that he has a pretty close association [with], maybe he feels like waiting a few more years might be a good idea.

“I think that gives your club real stability, if he has a relationship with the coach coming in and he’s your long-term coach, then that makes real sense. Not many clubs have long-term strategies.

“That is a pretty good long-term strategy, especially if one of the coaches gives praise to the other bloke coming in and then he sits back and learns some more over a couple of years. To me, it makes sense.”

The merger club have struggled to find a coach to match the experience and class of Wayne Bennett, who was at the helm for the club’s last premiership in 2010.

Rookie coaches Steve Price and Paul McGregor have been used since without consistent success.

Fittler believes Griffin’s old-school approach could be just what the doctor ordered for the historically up and down Dragons.

“They might need that, he’s old-school,” Fittler said.

“He says it as it is, he doesn’t take many things personally. He just says whether you’re going good or bad and what you’re doing right and wrong. He’s not complicated.

“Maybe they need a bit of that, they need a bit of honesty.”

Anthony Griffin could be a shock favourite for the Dragons job. Picture: Tim Hunter.Source: News Corp Australia
Rugby league Immortal Andrew Johns believes 36-year-old Young would struggle to coach players he played with at the club, especially if they lose form and he has to make some hard calls.

“I think it’s a big ask for a rookie coach, for Dean Young,” Johns said.

“I think in time, he’ll be a sensational NRL coach. I just think it’s dangerous ground to have a coach who has played with some players [still in the team].”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/92cfcd036f70c5aece23b92d3731c51c

 

[possm]

Dragons interim wants the top job — but he might settle for working under one ‘old school’ man
NRL Premiership

• August 27, 2020 12:43pm
• Mark St John@markdfstjohn
• Source: FOX SPORTS

Dean Young and Shane Flanagan.Source: Getty Images
Brad Fittler has backed former Broncos and Panthers coach Anthony Griffin to join Dean Young as part of a Dragons succession plan.

Paul McGregor’s departure has opened the door for interim coach Dean Young to take the reins at the Dragons full-time, but Fittler believes the rookie coach would benefit from serving an apprenticeship under a more experienced mentor.

“It was interesting Dean Young came out and gave praise to Anthony Griffin,” Fittler said on WWOS’ Freddy and the Eighth.

“Dean Young’s obviously pushing for the job as well. Whether Dean Young believes that because there’s some players in the Dragons at the moment that he has a pretty close association [with], maybe he feels like waiting a few more years might be a good idea.

“I think that gives your club real stability, if he has a relationship with the coach coming in and he’s your long-term coach, then that makes real sense. Not many clubs have long-term strategies.

“That is a pretty good long-term strategy, especially if one of the coaches gives praise to the other bloke coming in and then he sits back and learns some more over a couple of years. To me, it makes sense.”

The merger club have struggled to find a coach to match the experience and class of Wayne Bennett, who was at the helm for the club’s last premiership in 2010.

Rookie coaches Steve Price and Paul McGregor have been used since without consistent success.

Fittler believes Griffin’s old-school approach could be just what the doctor ordered for the historically up and down Dragons.

“They might need that, he’s old-school,” Fittler said.

“He says it as it is, he doesn’t take many things personally. He just says whether you’re going good or bad and what you’re doing right and wrong. He’s not complicated.

“Maybe they need a bit of that, they need a bit of honesty.”

Anthony Griffin could be a shock favourite for the Dragons job. Picture: Tim Hunter.Source: News Corp Australia
Rugby league Immortal Andrew Johns believes 36-year-old Young would struggle to coach players he played with at the club, especially if they lose form and he has to make some hard calls.

“I think it’s a big ask for a rookie coach, for Dean Young,” Johns said.

“I think in time, he’ll be a sensational NRL coach. I just think it’s dangerous ground to have a coach who has played with some players [still in the team].”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/92cfcd036f70c5aece23b92d3731c51c

Dean Young has been an assitant coach for the past 6 years without any credentials (except for his father's influence on the Board) to justify such an appointment. I would insist he go and find a different club to bring him up to head coach standard. I'd say the best way to do this is similar to what we seen from Holbrook and JD. Could a junior side and this time, bring home a grand final. Then as an assistant coach be responsible for something and prove to yourself and everyone else that you can achieve. Anyone notice that this season Young was not responsible for defence or attack, it seems that Flanagan and Shephard were.

A long time ago Craig Young wangled his way into the head coach job at Saints and did an awful job of it; he didn't last long. Then he wangled his way into the recruiting role and made an even worse job of it. Now he is a director of the Board and guess how I think he is doing?

 

[St Georgio]

Could D Young become the next WOK, NUH just Dreaming, even though he has the similar Birthdays!

 

[getsmarty]

DRAGONS


Players urge Young to stay and work under Griffin
Author
Brad Walter NRL.com Senior Reporter
Timestamp
Tue 8 Sep 2020, 06:22 PM

St George Illawarra players have urged Dean Young to serve as an assistant coach next season as the 36-year-old gave a strong endorsement for incoming mentor Anthony Griffin.

Young, who will give NRL Nines sensation Cody Ramsey his debut against Canberra this weekend, missed out on the job after the Dragons board agreed on Monday to appoint Griffin for two years.

On Tuesday, Dragons players said he had taken the decision well and had spoken highly of Griffin.

Griffin and Young worked together with the Tonga team that beat Australia and Great Britain at the end of last season and have maintained a close relationship since.

It is understood that Griffin wants Young to remain on as an assistant and St George Illawarra players expect him to do so.

"In terms of his staying, of course, I would love him to stay," Dragons captain Cameron McInnes said.


"He is a great coach and a great person. I think one day he will be a head coach so I would love to have him stay but it's up to him."

Prop Blake Lawrie was also keen for Young to remain with the club and expects the interim coach to revert to the role he held before Paul McGregor's departure four weeks ago.

"Dean loves the club, he will do anything for this club and I think he is still going to be an assistant coach next year," Lawrie said.

"He is still on contract if he wants to so he is going to be around the club."


Winger Jordan Pereira credited Young for helping him to make it into the NRL after only taking up league in Perth at 20 years-of-age.

"When I came here I definitely wasn't up to standard and he has been a big part of getting me to where I am at," he said.

"Hopefully I can continue to grow under him in some way."

The players learned the news of Griffin’s appointment late on Monday from football manager Ben Haran and Young addressed them before training on Tuesday.

"He said he spent some time with him [Griffin] during the Tonga camp, and he said that we are in really good hands," Pereira said.

Ben Hunt and Corey Norman played under Griffin at Brisbane, while Trent Merrin and Kade Ellis, who has been named to start in place in the front row in place of Lawrie on Saturday against the Raiders, were with him at Penrith.

Lawrie said they had also spoken positively about Griffin’s appointment.

"Everyone I have spoken to seemed to get along with him really well," Lawrie said. "He tells it how it is which is what you really want."

McInnes said the board's belief that an outside voice was needed as the next Dragons coach would make little difference if the players didn't accept greater responsibility for results.

"This squad needs to take on more accountability for our performance. Whether we need a new voice or whatever, nothing will change until we do that," he said.

"If you don't win someone gets tapped on the shoulder but what's disappointing to me is that as players we made exactly the same mistakes week in and week out. Coaches are the ones who pay for it sometimes."

With the team's finals hopes ending with last Sunday night's golden point loss in North Queensland, Young has decided to give Ramsey some NRL experience.

The 20-year-old was the top try scorer at February's NRL Nines in Perth before undergoing shoulder surgery and he re-joined the Dragons squad in July.

Ramsey will replace Fijian winger Mikaele Ravalawa and play outside Zac Lomax on the right edge in St George Illawarra’s last home match of the season at WIN Stadium against Canberra on Saturday.


https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/09/08/players-urge-young-to-stay-and-work-under-griffin/

 

[redandwhite4evr]

Dean Young has been an assitant coach for the past 6 years without any credentials (except for his father's influence on the Board) to justify such an appointment. I would insist he go and find a different club to bring him up to head coach standard. I'd say the best way to do this is similar to what we seen from Holbrook and JD. Could a junior side and this time, bring home a grand final. Then as an assistant coach be responsible for something and prove to yourself and everyone else that you can achieve. Anyone notice that this season Young was not responsible for defence or attack, it seems that Flanagan and Shephard were.

A long time ago Craig Young wangled his way into the head coach job at Saints and did an awful job of it; he didn't last long. Then he wangled his way into the recruiting role and made an even worse job of it. Now he is a director of the Board and guess how I think he is doing?

Yes- when reviewing Griffin's CV, it really struck me how successful he had been with junior teams- he obviously knows how to coach basic skills -which are so lacking in players like Dufty in the crucial full-back position.

However, as I keep saying, full-back is now an extremely demanding position and we may have a lot of trouble finding the right person in the current squad. Griffin has got a lot of problems to solve and not a lot of wriggle room with money or squad vacancies to meet this challenge

 

[Dragon Revival]

I rarely understand the team selections especially in the backs, bench and rotations.
There are so many shortcomings to solve:-
-Paper thin defence.
-Poor kicking in general play.
-Poor defusal of highballs.
-Too much sideways running and running round in circles.
-Running at brick walls not gaps.
-Poor rotation of forwards. Props' ability in order would be Vaughan, Kerr, Lawrie and Ellis
however Kerr is on the bench.
-Bandaged bear Ravalawa playing injured while left side centre and winger are not working as Aitken does not pass while Pereira is too slow, and runs around in circles as he has no speed.
Ravalawa has scored 12 tries while Pereira has score few.

 

[LINESPEED]

I rarely understand the team selections especially in the backs, bench and rotations.
There are so many shortcomings to solve:-
-Paper thin defence.
-Poor kicking in general play.
-Poor defusal of highballs.
-Too much sideways running and running round in circles.
-Running at brick walls not gaps.
-Poor rotation of forwards. Props' ability in order would be Vaughan, Kerr, Lawrie and Ellis
however Kerr is on the bench.
-Bandaged bear Ravalawa playing injured while left side centre and winger are not working as Aitken does not pass while Pereira is too slow, and runs around in circles as he has no speed.
Ravalawa has scored 12 tries while Pereira has score few.

I’ve never bought this ‘accountability’ deficit peddled by Cam & others:

“This squad needs to take more accountability for our performance, that's what this squad needs. Whether we need a new voice or whatever, nothing will change until we do that.”

FMD
The team has had a TALENT deficit in the backline especially for years

....one that remained unaddressed for years because of Aitken & Lafai’s relentless selection
... and more recently because of the pedestrian roadblock acquisitions of Rav & Jordan.

That’s been our central problem

Our backline hasn’t delivered enough points for us to be competitive

...because we’ve lacked the kind of individual brilliance in creativity, speed & skill that the likes of Zac, Duff, Cody, Max, Tristan, Matt, Sullivan & Schiller will soon deliver as a FUNCTIONING attacking UNIT.

That’s what we ‘need’ & have needed Cam

Backline development has been dead for 7years

Zac & Duff to no surprise have driven the points more recently

So DR, the answer to your first query was always going to be about Lovechild’s ‘retention at all costs’ scenario

...& can you believe the fuc/ker’s still at No 3 Deano?
Old habits die hard

PS
When all is said & done,
he is the principal factor
that cost Mary his job
& Deano his half chance

... & how often were they warned
LOL

Call it the coach’s ‘credibility deficit’
if you like

 

[getsmarty]

Dragons' Young weighs up coaching future

• 
  
  Dean Young (r) is weighing up his coaching options after losing out on the Dragons job.
  Disappointed at being overlooked as head coach next year, Dean Young is yet to decide if he will stay at St George Illawarra as an assistant to Anthony Griffin.
  
  The Dragons interim coach is weighing up his career options after missing out on the top job despite feeling as though he interviewed strongly.
  
  He and Griffin have a previous working relationship from their time as Tongan assistants, and the incoming coach has already indicated he wants Young to stick around.
  
  The day the decision was made Griffin called Young, not to gloat but offer him a role at the club next year.
  
  But after six years in the Dragons job, Young is open to the option that his future could lie at another NRL club.
  
  "I'm in the coaching game for the long haul, I'm only 36 and I've been an assistant coach for six years so I've still got a lot to learn, just like head coaches who are 50 years of age," he said on Friday.
  
  "I view myself as a coach and where my journey goes, I'm not too sure.
  
  "We'll work that out in the future."
  
  Leaving the Dragons would be a huge call for Young who played more than 200 games for the club and transitioned into a coaching role after retirement.
  
  Young was coy about whether he has been approached by other NRL clubs for next season, as well as what factors could influence his decision to stay or leave.
  
  "I'm not going to go into too many details about that," he said.
  
  "I've got a job to do for the remainder of the year, I'm fully committed to this playing group and I'm fully committed to this club to give my best to this group."
  
  Although Young has been impressive in his short time as interim coach since Paul McGregor's departure, the board ultimately opted for experience to lead the club into the future.
  
  It's an outcome he understands and respects.
  
  "I think (Griffin is) going to do a great job, he's a great person and he's got a lot of experience and I think his time out of the game will probably make him a better coach," Young said.
  
  "He would have reviewed what he did at Penrith and what he did at the Broncos and as a coach you learn every day and every year.
  
  "I'm sure he's ready for the opportunity to turn this club around and turn it into a force again and I really hope he does."
  
  Australian Associated Press
  
  
  https://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/6921147/dragons-young-weighs-up-coaching-future/?cs=10513

 

[blue bags]

deano still undecided

 

[Mjab]

Love the bit

" He has been impressive since McGregors departure "

Based on what ??
absolute journo hacks
Hope for his own sake (and possibly our clubs) that he goes elswhere to learn how to be a proper coach
Happy to have him back after he proves himself impressive