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Des Hasler

POPEYE

Coach
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Pops, is Hasler the exception that proves your rule that good former players make dud coaches?

I remember Des as a very good player- premiership winner, many Origin and Tests.

But he is an even better coach in my view.

I've said it many times before that Hasler imo is the closest that's been to an exceptionally good player making a supercoach. Des was on a par with Toovey, both would be welcomed in any team but both always seemed frustrated inasmuch as they couldn't quite reach the carrot. All NRL players are good, being great comes easily to the great which is why they have trouble imparting what comes naturally

If Des was a great player as many would say he worked hard at it and knows what is required . . . supercoaches are so designated because they know fully what is required
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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The only reason the Bulldogs are there is because of a dream run through the finals with results going their way.

They faced a horrible Storm side in week 1 of finals. But to be fair most people wouldn't have expected them to be so shit.
They faced an injury depleted Sea Eagles side in week 2 of the finals, and they only just scraped in the win despite the genuine champions beating the living shit out of them the week before, and Sea Eagles having been in horrible form the last month or so before the game.
They then faced an injury depleted Panthers side full of players who had never made it this far in a finals series before, and who had played their Grand Final in week 1 of the finals.

Throw in the Panthers grabbing the most unlikely win in the finals series to force the Roosters into playing the Cowboys and Bunnies, and the only way their draw could have been easier would be if they had faced the Broncos in week 1 instead.

If Panthers didn't win that game against the Roosters in week 1, there's no chance at all that the Bulldogs are playing in the grand final. That one win stacked all the heavy hitters on one side of the draw, and all the pretenders and/or injury depleted sides on the other side of the draw.

To top it off, the Panthers basically begged the Bulldogs to beat them. Making ridiculous unforced errors coming off our own line, then not putting in the hard work to defend them.

Des Hasler is a great coach without doubt. But the Bulldogs had a lot of luck to get through to the Grand Final. Aside from the opening half against the Storm, they haven't looked close to the quality of the Souths or Roosters in this finals series. Or possibly even the Cowboys for that matter.
 

Card Shark

Immortal
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99, you are talking shit.

Hasler is a great coach.

Dogs are a great club who know how to win the games that matter.
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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So you're saying the Bulldogs could have beat the Roosters to make the Grand Final? Or that the Storm weren't horrible against them and that the Sea Eagles and Panthers weren't severely depleted sides that were nowhere near their best?

They had so much luck in this finals series it's ridiculous. Throw them against the Roosters or a full strength Sea Eagles side and they're not in the grand final. It's as simple as that. Their performances in this finals series have been nowhere near the best teams. But they never had to play a good side at full strength to make it through to the grand final.
 

--Storm--

Juniors
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There win against Melbourne was a good one, exspecially coming of the back of 2 wins from there past 8, vs Manly being 16-0 up they almost blew it but won the coin flip of golden point footy, TBH last night Penrith beat themselves, if Idris catches that sitter just after half time he would have made it 12-12 assuming Soward kicks the extras and I don't see Penrith losing from there.
 

Garbler

Juniors
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"Lucky" is a cop out; the last defence of a sore loser.
I'm not a Manly or Dogs supporter but u have to give credit where credit is due.
 

Vic Mackey

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The dogs aren't a team that will blow anyone away. It's how they play. They scrap and scrape and try to win it in a tight one by dragging good teams down to their level. They rarely have more then 3 tries in them but to counter that they rarely let a team score more then 3.

Souths and the roosters are teams that can blow good opposition away, however that won't alwYs work either. Hell souths lost to the titans, raiders and tigers this year. Roosters lost to the sharks missing 73 players. I think souths will beat them but it won't be one sided. The dogs game won't let it.
 

AlwaysGreen

Post Whore
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Luck :lol: if it's luck that got bulldogs through then should dump all their gym equipment, video analysis gear and medical equipment in the Nepean River and invest in a f**king four leaf clover farm instead.
 

TheFrog

Coach
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They then faced an injury depleted Panthers side full of players who had never made it this far in a finals series before, and who had played their Grand Final in week 1 of the finals.

We played as well as we were allowed to play. A bit more structure in attack needed for next year, especially in the opposition 20. And Will Smith was our major weakness, of course. We could not, in the end, cover the loss of Peter Wallace and Tyrone Peachey well enough to reach the GF. Imagine what a Preston Campbell circa 2004 might have done for that side. Still we reached the Preliminary Final with Will Smith at 6.

But as for the topic of the discussion, the Bulldogs deserve to be there and Hasler (a Panthers junior product like Tim Sheens) has once again demonstrated his coaching skills, to get such an unlikely bunch into the big one.

I think they'll give the Rabbitohs more trouble than either Manly or Easts but won't be able to go with them for 80 minutes. They were tiring last night but just hung on.
 

TheViking

Juniors
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335
Really arsey run to a gf. Beat an over the hill Storm, a weak Manly and a Penrith side with Will Smith and many good players missing. We were just more geniused then them tonight which pissed me off.

I suppose you have to say he's an amazing coach though because that Dogs side shouldn't be getting near a GF.

Don't mention the players Dogs have had out over that time.

Didn't Dogs have 16 for the entire second half and their captain and hooker off the field changing everything?

People keep bagging them. Kids like Jackson and Klemmer and Lafai are on the way to being superstars of the game. They lack some backs and Des has gone and signed Rona, Loko and replaced Mitch Brown and Inu. Sounds like he is after a big name like Brett Morris too.

They have eliminated 3 out of the 6 top 8 teams. With injuries, with players missing, away from home for the Storm too.

Keep writing them off.
 

TheViking

Juniors
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It was luck that he was able to conjure up a victory over a fast finishing panthers side despite losing his captain and dummy half to injury? It was luck that the bulldogs were able to shut down the threats of Moylan and Idris virtually every time they touched the ball?

And of course it's all luck that he is able to get a mob of 'one dimensional' players to a grand final. :roll: That's quite a contradiction Walt.

I don't read your blog Walter. The ravings of a sad lonely whinging racist old merkin are not my cup of tea.

Exactly right. Appears luck has a lot to do with the fact every team plays "shit" against the Dogs.

This wouldn't have anything to do with the defense.
 

TheViking

Juniors
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335
99, you are talking shit.

Hasler is a great coach.

Dogs are a great club who know how to win the games that matter.

Sums it up.

Dogs have their own injuries have all year.

The unforced errors aren't anything to do with the defense pressure at all.

Sounds like someone is still angry about last night.
 

TheViking

Juniors
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I was thinking as the team came onto the field after half time.

How lucky are the Dogs Ennis is injured. We are so lucky to have 16 players for the rest of this game. So lucky that one of the better defensive players in the middle of the field is off replaced with someone who isn't that good at defense in Reynolds...

The Dogs won because that is how they play, the turn it to a battle of the forwards and try and guts a win out. They put in for each other.
 

Loose Cannon

Bench
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Funny how apparently Canterbury have been lucky. Melbourne played ordinary, but Dogs get no credit for that. Yes they played a depleted Manly, one which was slightly less depleted the prevoius week when Souths played them. Penrith beat the favourites Easts with that same side, but let's not give the Panthers credit because it doesn't suit the argument against the Dogs.
No they are not the best team around, but they win close games the majority of the time, because they are fighters. When you lose your hooker, the structure fails as it did in the second half. Souths should have to deal with that next week, although he will more than likely be feathered and allowed to play. He is a massive loss if it goes against them. Their attack will falter greatly too, just like Ennis last night.

Back on topic, Hasler will be in his element this week. The media and their Souths love affair suits Canterbury no end.
 

_Johnsy

Referee
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I don't get the whole "lucky to be there" or "dream run".

What else can you do but defeat who you are up against ?

Put simply, the dogs deserve their spot in the GF.
 
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