Did Jarrod Croker choke ?

[Doomednow]

It might be a bit rough on the guy to say so but yes. Its a choke. Relatively easy kick to keep the game alive but the presure got to him. He'll be better for it.

 

[SET2JT]

I always believed choking was never being in a game you should be winning comfortably, or surrending a supposed unbeatable lead.

Canberra were behind all night and were coming back, without their star/key playmaker.

It's not like they were leading 18-6 with 20 minutes to go in a Grand Final and managed to lose.

That's a choke.

They choked big time. the pressure got to the young boys like never before. The way Shilo and Dugan were cocky that whole week before the game was unbelievable. IMO they choked when they went for the 2. They had the Tigers on the rack and they opted for the boring option.

 

[Pete Cash]

Can you please post some cocky quotes from Dugan AND Shillington to back up your claim.

As I have maintained the vast majority of mistakes a player makes comes down to pressure. Take Gordon against us. If someone set him up a goal in his backyard he makes that kick every time. At the highest level most mistakes players make are mental. That is in all sports not just Rugby League. Hayne not looking as he throws a pass, Soward chip kicking AGAINST the Dragons strategy straight to Dugan. Every one of those mistakes was caused by pressure.

That is why the term choke means to give up a huge match winning lead or to lose a match or competition a side was overwhelmingly expected to take.

Is an elite cricketer dropping a simple catch a choke or a fullback dropping a bomb. These are all things they would do at home every day of the week. Another example from the Penrith/Raiders game was Vidot dropping the line drop out. How often would he drop a ball cold outside of match conditions.

Pretty much every mistake a player makes is down to pressure. So are all these players choking.

 

[cleary89]

Every goal kick has a 50% chance of being successful.

because he either gets it or he misses, right?

lol when did you learn chance? year 3?

 

[Pete Cash]

But all goal kicking is high pressured. So is any missed goal a choke. It is Dragon supporters trolling because
A) they don't like being called chokers and

B) they don't like losing to the Raiders all the time.

 

[SET2JT]

Can you please post some cocky quotes from Dugan AND Shillington to back up your claim.

No i cannot post the quotes as i seen it on Sports tonight, i think it was last Monday. Vidot was basically saying you guys were in the Grand final, Shillo was saying how you guys had our measure and so was Dugan. They hardly mentioned playing the Tigers.They were all looking too far ahead IMO and thats what most probably got them done on the weekend.

 

[Pete Cash]

No they got done because the Tigers can exploit the size of the Raiders pack better than any other side in the league.

 

[soc123_au]

As I have maintained the vast majority of mistakes a player makes comes down to pressure. Take Gordon against us. If someone set him up a goal in his backyard he makes that kick every time. At the highest level most mistakes players make are mental. That is in all sports not just Rugby League. Hayne not looking as he throws a pass, Soward chip kicking AGAINST the Dragons strategy straight to Dugan. Every one of those mistakes was caused by pressure.

That is why the term choke means to give up a huge match winning lead or to lose a match or competition a side was overwhelmingly expected to take.

Is an elite cricketer dropping a simple catch a choke or a fullback dropping a bomb. These are all things they would do at home every day of the week. Another example from the Penrith/Raiders game was Vidot dropping the line drop out. How often would he drop a ball cold outside of match conditions.

Pretty much every mistake a player makes is down to pressure. So are all these players choking.

+1 x 1000

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Every goal kick has a 50% chance of being successful.

If he missed his first goal attempt and kicked this one, would it still be a choke?

Seriously, I thinkt he notion of a goal kickier choking is a bit of a stretch.

LOL were do yo get this from sunshine?

 

[Pete Cash]

He is right

it either misses or it doesn't.

 

[CMUX]

He is right

it either misses or it doesn't.

Just because there are 2 possible results does not mean they are as likely as each other.

There are extenuating circumstances to consider including distance, wind, angle etc. Given the history of rugby league I think you would find the chances of that identical kick being successful would be higher than 50%.

For example, the chances of rain as opposed to no rain (2 possible results) in any given location on any given day will rarely be 50% as those other circumstances have to be considered.

 

[Pete Cash]

Yeah but a straight statistical result is one of two. I agree with you that there are other factors involved here.

It is a difficult art I think if anything Croker over hit the ball trying to compensate for a length he had probably never kicked at in his life. He booted the sh*t out of it.

People need to remember that Croker has been fulltime goal kicker for the Raiders for about 10 weeks.

 

[dragon_around]

If he had kicked it though, he'd be labelled a hero.

So it wasn't really a choke when you consider how celebrated it would have been had he scored the two points.

 

[simmo1]

I have a 50% chance of winning lotto and getting a BJ from Jessica Alba this week. I either will or I won't...

 

[Marshall_magic]

I don't think so, it was an unusual position to kick it from, which is what got him. He made his error with his allignment, not with the strike. If he struck it poorly I would say it was a choke.

 

[Special K]

I really feel bad for him but he missed it before he even took the kick.

Look at the terror in his eyes when he was lining it up.

 

[Iafeta]

No. I've seen a few kickers this season miss from there. It seems once they're outside the 20m zone they're not as adept at striking them over than when they're within the 20m zone.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Yeah but a straight statistical result is one of two. I agree with you that there are other factors involved here.

It is a difficult art I think if anything Croker over hit the ball trying to compensate for a length he had probably never kicked at in his life. He booted the sh*t out of it.

People need to remember that Croker has been fulltime goal kicker for the Raiders for about 10 weeks.

Jarrod Croker kicks at 80% or thereabouts. Statistically speaking, and historically speaking, there is 4 out of 5 chance he'll kick it if you wish to look at it in such a simplistic manner.

The pressure got to him, but it's to be expected for a kid at his age and inexperience. In the coming years he'll kick them. It's not his fault Canberra lost, on performances Tigers should have beat them by at least 12.

 

[Apey]

I have a 50% chance of winning lotto and getting a BJ from Jessica Alba this week. I either will or I won't...

I like those odds!

 

[badav]

Every goal kick has a 50% chance of being successful.

Pure genius