News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[LineBall]

No it's not normal, I take your point. I have no problem with clubs coming out and condemning it etc. but wanting a say in other clubs signings is a step to far IMO.

I agree with just letting it happen and move on.

Agree. Allowing other clubs to be able to veto a player's signing is wrong. On the other hand, having an independent body that can do that, if it believes it is in the best interests of the game, I would have no problem with.

 

[Perth Red]

Agree. Allowing other clubs to be able to veto a player's signing is wrong. On the other hand, having an independent body that can do that, if it believes it is in the best interests of the game, I would have no problem with.

Not really if that signing puts their business at risk. It would be done by majority presumably in the rarest of circumstances where you have an extremely high profile fckwit someone wants to sign that runs the risk of of negatively impacting the games brand. Personally I think its a good idea, we might not see the likes of Lodge and co in NRL if we had it here!

 

[TheFrog]

The gay community are not trying to stop Folau working. Hull KR are concerned about potential loss of sponsors. Folau is still working, and isn't short of a quid.

My comprehesion is fine. It's your argument that is struggling.

It doesn't matter whether you are rich or poor, you are entitled to work in your chosen field if you have not committed a crime. I don't care about his religious beliefs, but he is entitled to have them until such time as they make them illegal, which I don't expect to be during my lifetime. My whole issue with this entire saga is that corporations and increasingly sporting bodies are setting themselves up as morality police and going well beyond the bounds of the law in doing so. And they are being greatly influenced by the gay lobby. Rugby Australia got burned, but still it continues.

 

[Timmah]

And they are being greatly influenced by the gay lobby.

How?

 

[TheFrog]

How?

Are you suggesting Alan Joyce didn't lean on Rugby Australia?

Are you suggesting this HKR boss isn't attempting to dictate an agenda to Super League?

 

[Willow]

And they are being greatly influenced by the gay lobby.

Ah, so it's a gay conspiracy.

You really don't like the gay community having any say in this, do you?

 

[SBD82]

you are entitled to work in your chosen field if you have not committed a crime.

That’s utter bollocks.

No one is guaranteed work in their chosen field. No one is entitled to employment from an employer.

 

[Timmah]

Are you suggesting Alan Joyce didn't lean on Rugby Australia?

Are you suggesting this HKR boss isn't attempting to dictate an agenda to Super League?

You didn't answer the question (typical RWNJ tactic) but good good.

Alan Joyce runs the major sponsor of the Wallabies, which is RA's marquee brand. If a player in that squad has brought the game into disrepute with his comments, are you genuinely telling me, regardless of his sexuality, that he wouldn't be within his rights to contact RA and ask what the hell is going on?

As for Hull KR's boss, he's not attempting to dictate anything - he's simply saying (with the support of what appears to be all 10 other clubs) that if Folau's signing has adverse effects on his club then the option of legal action is there.

That's not anything to do with a gay lobby is really relevant here. You sound like you're ranting.

Just need "PC" and "virtue signalling" for the trifecta!

 

[TheFrog]

That’s utter bollocks.

No one is guaranteed work in their chosen field. No one is entitled to employment from an employer.

If the employer is willing to employ them they are.

 

[Timmah]

If the employer is willing to employ them they are.

You specifically said "you are entitled to work in your chosen field if you have not committed a crime".

Not sure 'entitled' is the term you're after. The right to, if employed, maybe? But not entitled and certainly not guaranteed

 

[TheFrog]

You sound like you're ranting.

This line at the end tells me you are not winning. There is a reason RA had to pay him out. The reason is because they were not lawfully entitled under employment law to take the action they did, no matter what Alan Joyce might have thought.

I firmly believe sporting bodies entering into the field of morality police is a bad development.

 

[Mr Angry]

I am happy with a clause.

If you decide to contract a player who has been expelled from another sport, all must agree.

 

[Willow]

Are you suggesting Alan Joyce didn't lean on Rugby Australia?

Are you suggesting this HKR boss isn't attempting to dictate an agenda to Super League?

Geez mate. More conspiracies. So what if they're gay?

FMD, there are are plenty of non-gay people who see Folau's views as outdated bigotry...

What of the other Super League Clubs that supported Hull KR?
What of the NRL that have already said they won't be registering a Folau contract?
What of the majority of Australians who voted in favour of gay marriage?

Perhaps the gays have infiltrated all these organisations and got into the heads of average people. Or maybe it's just that more people are supportive of equal rights nowadays.

You do know we live in the 21st century?

 

[SBD82]

If the employer is willing to employ them they are.

And if the employer isn’t willing?

 

[Mr Angry]

This line at the end tells me you are not winning. There is a reason RA had to pay him out. The reason is because they were not lawfully entitled under employment law to take the action they did, no matter what Alan Joyce might have thought.

I firmly believe sporting bodies entering into the field of morality police is a bad development.

You decide that now?

Tell Andrew Walker.

 

[TheFrog]

You decide that now?

Tell Andrew Walker.

Mitchell Pearce too.

 

[LineBall]

Not really if that signing puts their business at risk. It would be done by majority presumably in the rarest of circumstances where you have an extremely high profile fckwit someone wants to sign that runs the risk of of negatively impacting the games brand. Personally I think its a good idea, we might not see the likes of Lodge and co in NRL if we had it here!

By that reasoning, wouldn't a club signing Tedesco put the others at risk, especially if it bumps that club down a couple of spots on the ladder and puts them at risk of relegation? Not good for your business model.

IMO any system where clubs can group together and veto other clubs from signing certain players is always going to be rife with conflict of interests. That's why it would be better if SuperLeague had their own commission that could decide these things.

 

[Willow]

Agree. Allowing other clubs to be able to veto a player's signing is wrong. On the other hand, having an independent body that can do that, if it believes it is in the best interests of the game, I would have no problem with.

Other clubs are not stopping Catalan signing Folau. They have told Catalan that if it costs them money, they'll be letting them know.

If you throw stuff in the river and it affects people downstream, you can be sure those affected will be asking for compensation.

If Catalan want to take that risk, that's their choice.

 

[typicalfan]

This line at the end tells me you are not winning. There is a reason RA had to pay him out. The reason is because they were not lawfully entitled under employment law to take the action they did, no matter what Alan Joyce might have thought.

I firmly believe sporting bodies entering into the field of morality police is a bad development.

But to be clear the reason is undisclosed so that is just a guess as would my given reason.

Most likely RA decided the cost of the ongoing brand damage vs payout was enough to pay him out and Folau thought he wasn't going to get a payout. You can never tell with RA though.

 

[Willow]

This line at the end tells me you are not winning

So are you declaring yourself the winner?

There is a reason RA had to pay him out. The reason is because they were not lawfully entitled under employment law to take the action they did, no matter what Alan Joyce might have thought.

How do you know this?

It was an out-of-court settlement and a confidential one at that. You're just making it up, and simplifying it in an attempt to support your 'argument'.

I firmly believe sporting bodies entering into the field of morality police is a bad development.

'Morality police' is an emotional response. But hey, you can believe that if you want. Your opinion. Some may say the times they are a-changin'. But you hang in there.