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News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

  • I want him back in the NRL.

    Votes: 60 17.2%
  • I don't want him back in the NRL.

    Votes: 113 32.4%
  • I couldn't care less if he returns or not.

    Votes: 176 50.4%

  • Total voters
    349

Last Week

Bench
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Can't? Or you'll do what exactly?

And spare me the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences" shtick. I'm not in any way suggesting it is.

It's not a threat you pansy. Read it in context.

It's called morality. Society's rules that aren't bound by law, but have social consequences and condemnation.

You know how cheating on your husband or wife is immoral but not illegal? Sure you can do it, but you're a merkin for doing and justifying the action is just a merkin doubling down on being a merkin. And here you are.
 

age.s

First Grade
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Who is proposing the enforcement of state action against him? I cannot see anybody calling for that at all. I don't agree with it either and I don't know anyone who would.

And... as for 'you've ignored nothing'...

You've been purposely short-quoting multiple posts - which is perfectly fine - but to then suggest you aren't ignoring swathes of points made against you is farcical.

Ok, so I want actual freedom of speech, not just freedom when no ones whining forcefully enough.

And look mate I'm posting on my phone on my lunch break. I'm not interested in writing an essay in response to everyone who post anything related to the topic. You get what you get.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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Don’t be silly. Questioning anything to do with the trans movement is discrimination but advocating for the eradication of religion is perfectly fine.

I don’t mind people doing either of these things, just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards in this hate speech bullshit.
I'd suggest it's a fairly big stretch to suggest opposing trans discrimination and advocates for the eradication of religion are one in the same people. I'm sure if there were statistics and a venn diagram there'd no doubt be overlap but it's a broad brush to call it hypocrisy and double standards.
 

t-ba

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What the f**k is "Actual Freedom of Speech"?

Like, give us a working definition and how Israel's Freeze Peach has been affected here. Israel's free to spew his comments as he pleases.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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Ok, so I want actual freedom of speech, not just freedom when no ones whining forcefully enough.

And look mate I'm posting on my phone on my lunch break. I'm not interested in writing an essay in response to everyone who post anything related to the topic. You get what you get.
So when it boils down to it, your definition of "actual freedom of speech" is really freedom from the consequences of said speech.

If that's not the case, I'm genuinely interested in what "actual freedom of speech" is.
 

age.s

First Grade
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It's not a threat you pansy. Read it in context.

It's called morality. Society's rules that aren't bound by law, but have social consequences and condemnation.

You know how cheating on your husband or wife is immoral but not illegal? Sure you can do it, but you're a merkin for doing and justifying the action is just a merkin doubling down on being a merkin. And here you are.

What does that have to do with anything I've posted? Where am I saying we should have no morals? I just don't want the state involved in what people say.

It's hilarious, the only weapon you and people like you have in arguments is to falsify the claims of your opponents. So "we should have constitutionally enshrined free speech" gets mischaracterized into "I'm a bigot who thinks Izzy is doing the work of the lord". No capacity for nuance, no interest in arguing in good faith, just a commitment to lying in order to make my opponents look as awful as possible for internet points.
 

Wizardman

First Grade
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It's not a threat you pansy. Read it in context.

It's called morality. Society's rules that aren't bound by law, but have social consequences and condemnation.

You know how cheating on your husband or wife is immoral but not illegal? Sure you can do it, but you're a merkin for doing and justifying the action is just a merkin doubling down on being a merkin. And here you are.
Words can be so beautiful,....haha!
 

age.s

First Grade
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So when it boils down to it, your definition of "actual freedom of speech" is really freedom from the consequences of said speech.

If that's not the case, I'm genuinely interested in what "actual freedom of speech" is.

No. My definition is not getting the government involved in enforcing it. You know, with the laws that Israel could be prosecuted under?
 

Last Week

Bench
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What does that have to do with anything I've posted? Where am I saying we should have no morals? I just don't want the state involved in what people say.

It's hilarious, the only weapon you and people like you have in arguments is to falsify the claims of your opponents. So "we should have constitutionally enshrined free speech" gets mischaracterized into "I'm a bigot who thinks Izzy is doing the work of the lord". No capacity for nuance, no interest in arguing in good faith, just a commitment to lying in order to make my opponents look as awful as possible for internet points.

You said;

Can't? Or you'll do what exactly?

And spare me the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences" shtick. I'm not in any way suggesting it is.

I'm explaining to you why you can't. Because it's wrong. f**k!
 

Wizardman

First Grade
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No. My definition is not getting the government involved in enforcing it. You know, with the laws that Israel could be prosecuted under?
The government has enforced sweet f**k all in this case, the ARU is doing the lifting here
 

age.s

First Grade
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7,817
You said;



I'm explaining to you why you can't. Because it's wrong. f**k!

Ok. So you can. It'll just make people shitty at you.

I don't have a problem with that fwiw. Just, you know, actually say what you mean.
 

Perth Red

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And how far do we extend that? Are we allowed to say shit about Muslims or Christians when there might be young kids having a hard time growing up in their religion? What about political views? What about questioning things like trans kids and all that rubbish? Is saying atheists will go to hell allowed? What about racist jokes and things like that?

Who decides what hate speech is? Where is the line?

Society does, we set our rules and laws as a community as what we find offensive or dangerous. They evolve and change over time. I'm sure over the last hundred years plus people have whinged about "PC" lefties not getting the joke, or comedy being killed due to snowflakes or the other BS people come out with to justify and validate their own values and prejudices . Start with "is this harmful or disrespectful to a group of people or an individual" and you'll get your answer most of the time.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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What does that have to do with anything I've posted? Where am I saying we should have no morals? I just don't want the state involved in what people say.

It's hilarious, the only weapon you and people like you have in arguments is to falsify the claims of your opponents. So "we should have constitutionally enshrined free speech" gets mischaracterized into "I'm a bigot who thinks Izzy is doing the work of the lord". No capacity for nuance, no interest in arguing in good faith, just a commitment to lying in order to make my opponents look as awful as possible for internet points.
Incredibly, this is precisely what you've done throughout this discussion. Projection is a wonderful thing.
No. My definition is not getting the government involved in enforcing it. You know, with the laws that Israel could be prosecuted under?
That's not really a definition, but that aside, no government is enforcing anything?

You seem to have made up some imagined "state action" in the last few pages when nobody has said anything about Folau being criminally or civilly punished for his posts. I can't see anywhere in this thread where anybody who is arguing with you has supported this.

The only time legal enforcement popped up in this thread was when you provided a link to an obscure instance that occured overseas and was reported in an alternative newspaper in Canada.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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100,992
Society does, we set our rules and laws as a community as what we find offensive or dangerous. They evolve and change over time. I'm sure over the last hundred years plus people have whinged about "PC" lefties not getting the joke, or comedy being killed due to snowflakes or the other BS people come out with to justify and validate their own values and prejudices . Start with "is this harmful or disrespectful to a group of people or an individual" and you'll get your answer most of the time.
Is this the first time you and I have agreed on this forum? :eek:
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
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Which is good. I'm just saying it shouldn't have the capacity to do so.
So you'd like the various discrimination acts removed?

Leaving anyone who wants to free to discriminate against people based on race, gender, disability, age...?
 

Perth Red

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Don’t be silly. Questioning anything to do with the trans movement is discrimination but advocating for the eradication of religion is perfectly fine.

I don’t mind people doing either of these things, just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards in this hate speech bullshit.

I don't think people have much problem with people believing in imaginary things or books per se. It's when they take those beliefs and use them to be bigoted or offensive, or in some cases violent, to others that people then have an issue with religion and those who act on it.
 

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