Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[JokerEel]

It's salary cap pressure after relative success. No we didn't win the comp but we won plenty of games, which increases demand for your players. That pushes prices up and forces them out.

He's a better player than Lussick.

If you can't afford to keep your own players why would you expect to be able to sign "direct replacements" (I assume you mean external signings who are just as good)?

Salary cap isn't a valid reason all teams have the same cap.

Plus what salary cap pressure even you have just said today we had money left into he cap ffs...

Hodgson was injured and recovering when we signed him so no he isn't better.

Of course you have to have players ready to step up from juniors or have replacement in place the fact we signed Davey during the season shows our off season signings were poor.

 

[IFR33K]

Common, he didn't get his hyphenated winger... It's not his fault

when we lost the prodigal son, ja, some certain posters wouldn’t stop flapping their gums how he’s a huge loss.

now with ba willing to let sanders go a year early for a winger to play 4 games, those certain posters have gone quiet.

thank god the committee blocked the move

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Salary cap isn't a valid reason all teams have the same cap.

But not all teams have the same value of playing talent under the cap. For example, whatever we were paying Mahoney and Papali'i last year, it would be significantly less than what they are being paid this year, however they aren't significantly better players. In fact they might not be any better at all.

So if we had matched the offers from the Bulldogs/Tigers (respectively) we would be paying overs for these players, meaning the extra money used to pay them would have to come from other positions in the top 30, weakening the squad. Even if they had taken our offers it would still (probably) be an upgrade, so we would still have had to weaken other areas of the squad to keep them. This means our squad would (probably, depending on other signings) be weaker than last year, whether we kept those two or not. And even if we replaced them with players at value parity, if Mahoney and Papali'i were on unders last year (likely) and their replacements were worth exactly as much as their contracts, we are still replacing two starting players on unders with two starters not on unders.

This is how salary cap pressure works. The best clubs have more guys on unders and fewer guys on overs, while the weaker clubs are the other way around. The reasons for this are related to resources, not because Mark O'Neill (FFS!) suddenly didn't know how much merkins were worth.

Plus what salary cap pressure even you have just said today we had money left into he cap ffs...

We had money left in the cap because there were previously no merkins available for the amount we assessed them to be worth. So our options were to either pay more or just not sign them. Not signing those other merkins meant we had more to spend when players became available at reasonable prices.

Hodgson was injured and recovering when we signed him so no he isn't better.

Hodgson had recovered and was doing pre-season training when we signed him. He got injured after that.

Of course you have to have players ready to step up from juniors or have replacement in place the fact we signed Davey during the season shows our off season signings were poor.

The fact we had money to spend shows they were just backups on low salaries, which every club needs.

 

[JokerEel]

But not all teams have the same value of playing talent under the cap. For example, whatever we were paying Mahoney and Papali'i last year, it would be significantly less than what they are being paid this year, however they aren't significantly better players. In fact they might not be any better at all.

So if we had matched the offers from the Bulldogs/Tigers (respectively) we would be paying overs for these players, meaning the extra money used to pay them would have to come from other positions in the top 30, weakening the squad. Even if they had taken our offers it would still (probably) be an upgrade, so we would still have had to weaken other areas of the squad to keep them. This means our squad would (probably, depending on other signings) be weaker than last year, whether we kept those two or not. And even if we replaced them with players at value parity, if Mahoney and Papali'i were on unders last year (likely) and their replacements were worth exactly as much as their contracts, we are still replacing two starting players on unders with two starters not on unders.

This is how salary cap pressure works. The best clubs have more guys on unders and fewer guys on overs, while the weaker clubs are the other way around. The reasons for this are related to resources, not because Mark O'Neill (FFS!) suddenly didn't know how much merkins were worth.

We had money left in the cap because there were previously no merkins available for the amount we assessed them to be worth. So our options were to either pay more or just not sign them. Not signing those other merkins meant we had more to spend when players became available at reasonable prices.

Hodgson had recovered and was doing pre-season training when we signed him. He got injured after that.

The fact we had money to spend shows they were just backups on low salaries, which every club needs.

Blah blah blah we had enough money to sign better players than we do now.

We all thought WTF when we sign Jirah from the Knights on a multi year deal. A backup who is taking up a top 30 spot and probably 200k+ a season.

We all thought WTFG when we signed Hodgson.

You can try to spin it anyway you want but we all saw them as dumb f**king signings and were proven right.

 

[JokerEel]

BA MON and the recruitment team didn't sign a centre or Winger last year and are desperately trying to get one now that will waste cap but they have had all season to sign someone for next year or 25 but still haven't.

 

[the phantom menace]

But not all teams have the same value of playing talent under the cap. For example, whatever we were paying Mahoney and Papali'i last year, it would be significantly less than what they are being paid this year, however they aren't significantly better players. In fact they might not be any better at all.

So if we had matched the offers from the Bulldogs/Tigers (respectively) we would be paying overs for these players, meaning the extra money used to pay them would have to come from other positions in the top 30, weakening the squad. Even if they had taken our offers it would still (probably) be an upgrade, so we would still have had to weaken other areas of the squad to keep them. This means our squad would (probably, depending on other signings) be weaker than last year, whether we kept those two or not. And even if we replaced them with players at value parity, if Mahoney and Papali'i were on unders last year (likely) and their replacements were worth exactly as much as their contracts, we are still replacing two starting players on unders with two starters not on unders.

This is how salary cap pressure works. The best clubs have more guys on unders and fewer guys on overs, while the weaker clubs are the other way around. The reasons for this are related to resources, not because Mark O'Neill (FFS!) suddenly didn't know how much merkins were worth.

We had money left in the cap because there were previously no merkins available for the amount we assessed them to be worth. So our options were to either pay more or just not sign them. Not signing those other merkins meant we had more to spend when players became available at reasonable prices.

Hodgson had recovered and was doing pre-season training when we signed him. He got injured after that.

The fact we had money to spend shows they were just backups on low salaries, which every club needs.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Blah blah blah we had enough money to sign better players than we do now.

You need players that fit into your cap structure and they weren't available at the right price. Signing 'better players' could've meant we were unable to retain Drown or Moses, for example.

We all thought WTF when we sign Jirah from the Knights on a multi year deal. A backup who is taking up a top 30 spot and probably 200k+ a season.

The multi-year deal means we got him cheaper per-year, because we were offering security. And if he's good enough to be a backup at 24 why wouldn't he be good enough at 25?

We all thought WTFG when we signed Hodgson.

That's because you were all gutted at losing Mahoney and looking for someone to blame.

You can try to spin it anyway you want but we all saw them as dumb f**king signings and were proven right.

Every signing carries some risk. We're performing worse this year because we've missed too many games from key players, not because the backups are worse.

 

[JokerEel]

You need players that fit into your cap structure and they weren't available at the right price. Signing 'better players' could've meant we were unable to retain Drown or Moses, for example.

Mate we have cap space but haven't signed anyone of value.

We still have no backup wingers. Hence Hyphen gets a game this weekend

 

[Poupou Escobar]

BA MON and the recruitment team didn't sign a centre or Winger last year and are desperately trying to get one now that will waste cap but they have had all season to sign someone for next year or 25 but still haven't.

Getting a player for the rest of this year will cost f**k all. And we already have four top 17 backs contracted for 2024, so we don't need to waste money on the 'gun' some of you merkins are hoping for. As for 2025, we can't negotiate with those merkins until November.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate we have cap space but haven't signed anyone of value.

If they're worth what they're getting paid they're providing value.

We still have no backup wingers. Hence Hyphen gets a game this weekend

Doesn't that mean he is the backup winger? What's the problem? You're blaming the club for not signing more of them, yet if the club is throwing around stupid money for backups, as you nitwits claim (but somehow still have room under the cap) then we should have had no trouble getting someone. Most likely is we aren't offering too much, and why would you for a backup. Lumelume was good enough for Bellamy, and AMS is apparently better than him, and both of them are outside the top 30. That's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

 

[hindy111]

Blah blah blah we had enough money to sign better players than we do now.

We all thought WTF when we sign Jirah from the Knights on a multi year deal. A backup who is taking up a top 30 spot and probably 200k+ a season.

We all thought WTFG when we signed Hodgson.

You can try to spin it anyway you want but we all saw them as dumb f**king signings and were proven right.

Moimesea I doubt was signed for much more the min. I reckon maybe even min but the 2yrs was enough for him to move.
At most 10 or 20k more

 

[hindy111]

This young kid isn't ready but he is a bit of a project for future. He has a big heart and a will to win. Athletic amd gives it his all.
Very raw and will make errors. Hopefully not costly ones.

 

[JokerEel]

If they're worth what they're getting paid they're providing value.

Doesn't that mean he is the backup winger? What's the problem? You're blaming the club for not signing more of them, yet if the club is throwing around stupid money for backups, as you nitwits claim (but somehow still have room under the cap) then we should have had no trouble getting someone. Most likely is we aren't offering too much, and why would you for a backup. Lumelume was good enough for Bellamy, and AMS is apparently better than him, and both of them are outside the top 30. That's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

He isn't in the top 30 unlike Sam L who is but doesn't get a game so no I don't classify him a backup.
Our backup Wingers are Dunster and Blake...

Ben Roberts was also good enough for Bellamy...

A backup is like Hiroti for the Sharks.

 

[JokerEel]

Moimesea I doubt was signed for much more the min. I reckon maybe even min but the 2yrs was enough for him to move.
At most 10 or 20k more

Who really knows but he was a bad signing and we all said it at the time...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He isn't in the top 30 unlike Sam L who is but doesn't get a game so no I don't classify him a backup.
Our backup Wingers are Dunster and Blake...

Ben Roberts was also good enough for Bellamy...

A backup is like Hiroti for the Sharks.

Bellamy picked Lumelume in a finals match (which they won) so he is backup quality. We were able to pick him round one despite being outside the top 30 so does it even matter whether Loizou is top 30? Blake started the year in first grade, which is where he finished 2022. Russell and Dunster were the backups.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Who really knows but he was a bad signing and we all said it at the time...

He is a backup. They're not good or bad, they are just necessary in a top 30. You're just looking for shit to f**ken whinge about and it's starting to piss me off. f**k off and troll some other club ffs. Picking every little fault. You can get f**ked you f**ken whinger.

 

[the phantom menace]

and it's starting to piss me off.

Piss you off enough to leave this forum...?

 

[emjaycee]

Piss you off enough to leave this forum...?

If Pou left so would your only purpose for being here it would seem.

Does that mean you would go too?

 

[the phantom menace]

If Pou left so would your only purpose for being here it would seem.

Does that mean you would go too?

I think your views of my purpose is clouded by your own biases, padawan.

I'm here for the footy talk, rather than the forum pollution Pou-agenda footy talk. So, no.

 

[Twizzle]

I'm here for the footy talk, rather than the forum pollution Pou-agenda footy talk.

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