Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[Gary Gutful]

Wow is that a fact mate, I didn't realise that.
I agree that Ponga is too inconsistent to be on more money that Cleary.
I do wonder though....how good would Ponga have been if he had played for Penrith or a top 4 team in his NRL career.
Played under Greeny at NQ and got to the finals but only played a handful of games.

We are about to find out. I think the Knights will only get better in the coming years.

 

[King-Gutho94]

We are about to find out. I think the Knights will only get better in the coming years.

You think they will be a Top 4 side in the next few years.

 

[Nutz]

We are about to find out. I think the Knights will only get better in the coming years.

Not denying he's a gifted player I was just a gobsmacked at his salary. Can you give him to Wests Tigers... pretty please

 

[Eelementary]

Moses is getting paid the right cash. Cleary is or should be on 40% more. If you want to point out who is being overpaid, then go after Ponga who has been by and large inconsistent and is on the same or more than Cleary.

Moses, Hynes etc are on the right money.

Moses' clutch record, when games are on the line, is not consistent with his salary.

He misses easy kicks at goal.

He doesn't step up a gear when the chips are down.

He runs the ball once every 3 games.

For what he's delivering, he's overpaid.

 

[Avenger]

Moses' clutch record, when games are on the line, is not consistent with his salary.

He misses easy kicks at goal.

He doesn't step up a gear when the chips are down.

He runs the ball once every 3 games.

For what he's delivering, he's overpaid.

He’s still the best available.

 

[Eelementary]

He’s still the best available.

Which is sad.

The best we can do is a guy who will never get us a Premiership.

 

[Gary Gutful]

You think they will be a Top 4 side in the next few years.

I think they’ll make the Top 4 next year. They were one of the form teams of the comp at the back end of the season this year.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Moses' clutch record, when games are on the line, is not consistent with his salary.

He misses easy kicks at goal.

He doesn't step up a gear when the chips are down.

He runs the ball once every 3 games.

For what he's delivering, he's overpaid.

Who would you replace him with?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Not denying he's a gifted player I was just a gobsmacked at his salary. Can you give him to Wests Tigers... pretty please

Don't disagree that he's on insane money. Cleary is probably getting half of his old man's salary as well as his own.

 

[Gronk]

Moses' clutch record, when games are on the line, is not consistent with his salary.

He misses easy kicks at goal.

He doesn't step up a gear when the chips are down.

He runs the ball once every 3 games.

For what he's delivering, he's overpaid.

Nah. He out clutched the clutch play of the year this year.

You're holding him to account for what the rest of the team are not doing, the injured or the suspended or the non recruited.

He is a great player, a truly great little half and we're lucky to have him. Decades post Sterlo mate. Overpaid ? What $100 or $150k ? Who gives a rats. There are none on the market. Ask Gus.

 

[Twizzle]

personally, I think Mitch is overpaid

he, like Gutho, held us to ransom, if he had converted those goals/penalties at the beginning of the season, we finish in the 8 and that's what you expect from your highest paid player

 

[T.S Quint]

I don’t think Moses is overpaid.
That’s the going rate for the top halves these days, and he’s one of the better ones. Ben Hunt gets a million a year, and Moses is better than him. We may actually have Brown on unders considering he may have been able to get more at another club.

Moses has arguably the second-best kicking game in the NRL after Cleary. It’s such an important part of the game, and he provides it for us. He has an excellent running game, which while maybe not utilised enough, is used more than Eele said.

Using his goal kicking isn’t a great way to make the point of him not being a good player. If we had a better kicker we would use them, but he’s the best we’ve got. He’s missed a few easy kicks, but mostly they are from out wide. I don’t think he earns the money that he does because of his goal kicking.

 

[Eelementary]

Who would you replace him with?

I don't see this as a valid argument to keep someone on the books who underperforms, considering his vast salary.

However, given Moses' lack of ability to remain calm under pressure, I would look to invest in a youngster.

Moot point now, but working harder to keep Sanders would have been a shrewd move.

Or making a play for Mitch Henderson.

This idea that there's nobody better, and so an underperforming team member on a huge salary is safe, is astounding to me.

If there is genuine interest at this club with becoming genuinely competitive, you find an option - there's always an option.

The worst thing is for Moses to feel complacent that he can keep underperforming without repercussions.

 

[Eelementary]

Nah. He out clutched the clutch play of the year this year.

You're holding him to account for what the rest of the team are not doing, the injured or the suspended or the non recruited.

He is a great player, a truly great little half and we're lucky to have him. Decades post Sterlo mate. Overpaid ? What $100 or $150k ? Who gives a rats. There are none on the market. Ask Gus.

I'm remembering several moments where he's gone missing when the game was on the line.

He's the best 7 we've had since Sterling - that doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.

While he pulls off the occasional big game moment, he is yet to do so consistently, and he is turning 30 next year.

Gutherson has pulled off big plays, on both sides of the ball, for years. He deserves his salary.

Moses is dreadfully inconsistent, and I think it's a good idea to have a player that can take over.

His string of games last year, where he missed simple conversions, was bewildering, and not good enough for a player commanding his salary.

But he's safe - there's no pressure on him.

I don't think this is wise roster management.

 

[Twizzle]

Using his goal kicking isn’t a great way to make the point of him not being a good player.

I think he is more than a good player, but not worth what we are paying him and thats my point.

He's on X factor money and he should have done better earlier this season for mine

 

[Eelementary]

I don’t think Moses is overpaid.
That’s the going rate for the top halves these days, and he’s one of the better ones. Ben Hunt gets a million a year, and Moses is better than him. We may actually have Brown on unders considering he may have been able to get more at another club.

Moses has arguably the second-best kicking game in the NRL after Cleary. It’s such an important part of the game, and he provides it for us. He has an excellent running game, which while maybe not utilised enough, is used more than Eele said.

Using his goal kicking isn’t a great way to make the point of him not being a good player. If we had a better kicker we would use them, but he’s the best we’ve got. He’s missed a few easy kicks, but mostly they are from out wide. I don’t think he earns the money that he does because of his goal kicking.

That's exactly it - that's not the case.

He missed several kicks that a player of his calibre should have kicked, and they weren't sideline conversions.

I am not saying he isn't a good player - his gender kicking is great, and his running game is brilliant -, but he's not someone you throw the ball to when your team is down, and say, "Pull us out of this", which I don't think is unreasonable to expect from a player wanting his sort of salary.

If you're a football club, and you spend $200 million on a striker, you reasonably expect him to score you 15+ goals per season; if he doesn't, you reconsider your options.

If you're an NFL team, and you spend $100 million on a qb, you expect a player that can lead a game-winning drive with 3 minutes left to play.

Moses is not a reliably clutch player, which is the bare minimum I'd expect of a player on $850,000+.

That's s all I'm saying.

If he misses sideline conversions, fair enough.

But he routinely misses simple kicks at goal.

Take a look at his goalkicking percentages for the last several seasons:

2017 83.78%
2018 75.89%
2019 77.97%
2020 81.43%
2021 75%
2022 78.51%
2023 79.31%


Meanwhile, Cleary has dipped below 80% only twice in his career.

 

[the phantom menace]

His string of games last year, where he missed simple conversions, was bewildering, and not good enough for a player commanding his salary.

I think that was the issue with his play earlier in the season - despite his denials it was clearly impacted by the contract negotiations, which his management dragged on and on to milk every possible drop.

Player managers, like car salesmen and real estate agents, tend to be very unlikable characters.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I don't see this as a valid argument to keep someone on the books who underperforms, considering his vast salary.

However, given Moses' lack of ability to remain calm under pressure, I would look to invest in a youngster.

Moot point now, but working harder to keep Sanders would have been a shrewd move.

Or making a play for Mitch Henderson.

This idea that there's nobody better, and so an underperforming team member on a huge salary is safe, is astounding to me.

If there is genuine interest at this club with becoming genuinely competitive, you find an option - there's always an option.

The worst thing is for Moses to feel complacent that he can keep underperforming without repercussions.

Moses isn't underperforming and I dont have a major problem with what he does under pressure. I also don't think he's complacent. He looks like he plays with passion, energy and a desire to win. He isn't the main reason we sucked this year.

Cleary is the best half in the comp by some distance. Moses is fairly and squarely in the second tier along with several others - Reynolds, Hughes, Hynes etc.

I personally wouldn't let go of Moses for Mitch Henderson.

 

[the phantom menace]

Or Brian.

 

[Twizzle]

Or Brian.

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