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Does Brad Arthur deserve the hype?

Noise

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Everyone was saying that Trent Robinson was the best coach to come here in years and he is now in charge of a side with a superior roster to ours who are also coming off 4 losses in a row. Are they questioning him? Same thing happened to Paul Green before he started his streak. It's just Arthur's turn now and I am confident he will eventually rise to the challenge.

To be fair Trent Robinson has won a premiership and got his teams into the finals. Brad Arthur hasn't done anything.

* I pushed for Arthur at Parra, just pointing out that at least Robinson has some credentials for being the best young coach in the game
 

Obscene Assassin

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Ricky Stuart was a w@nker, but one thing I'll give him is he had the guts and the foresight to tell a heap of deadwood players, on ya bike!

A lot of the players he let go could have helped us last year, he then also re-signed a fair few players to big deals. He re-signed Cheyse Blair to a 3 year deal at the beginning of the year and then told him to piss off. RS stuffed our cap for a few years with the way he handled those players. The way he did it so publicly meant that the other clubs that wanted those players had all the power and meant they could offer our club shitty deals for the players. Literally anyone could have moved those players on, RS did it the wrong way.
 
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A lot of the players he let go could have helped us last year, he then also re-signed a fair few players to big deals. He re-signed Cheyse Blair to a 3 year deal at the beginning of the year and then told him to piss off. RS stuffed our cap for a few years with the way he handled those players. The way he did it so publicly meant that the other clubs that wanted those players had all the power and meant they could offer our club shitty deals for the players. Literally anyone could have moved those players on, RS did it the wrong way.

He's already done it at the Raiders, too. He re-signed Tilse, who is now ESL-bound and McCrone, who is reggies-bound. Tilse may have instigated his leaving tho.
 

Obscene Assassin

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To be fair Trent Robinson has won a premiership and got his teams into the finals. Brad Arthur hasn't done anything.

* I pushed for Arthur at Parra, just pointing out that at least Robinson has some credentials for being the best young coach in the game

Imagine if Arthur had the same team as Robinson. Luckily for the Pooster's coach he has little Nicky helping him buy his team.
 

Joshuatheeel

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Interestingly the Roosters struggled to be top 8 contenders pre Robinson. And once they added a rep forward / back along with a quality 5/8 they went from bottom 8 to top 4.

Next year we also adding a rep half/forward and rumoured to be chasing some backs.
 
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A lot of the players he let go could have helped us last year, he then also re-signed a fair few players to big deals. He re-signed Cheyse Blair to a 3 year deal at the beginning of the year and then told him to piss off. RS stuffed our cap for a few years with the way he handled those players. The way he did it so publicly meant that the other clubs that wanted those players had all the power and meant they could offer our club shitty deals for the players. Literally anyone could have moved those players on, RS did it the wrong way.

x 100. Didn't need the RS ego show, or his public bagging off of the squad within weeks of signing for us. Who'd have thought that the cellar dwellers had a crap squad?
 

cv8z

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Interestingly the Roosters struggled to be top 8 contenders pre Robinson. And once they added a rep forward / back along with a quality 5/8 they went from bottom 8 to top 4.

Next year we also adding a rep half/forward and rumoured to be chasing some backs.

We don't have JT as our assistant coach who I think looked after the attack side
BA is a long way off from where he wants to be :D
 

Chipmunk

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Interestingly the Roosters struggled to be top 8 contenders pre Robinson. And once they added a rep forward / back along with a quality 5/8 they went from bottom 8 to top 4.

Next year we also adding a rep half/forward and rumoured to be chasing some backs.

Two seasons prior to Robinson joining the Roosters they made the Grand Final. Yep...that's really struggling to make the Top 8...

Foran might be better than Maloney, but in fairness to Beau Scott, he's no SBW and there isn't really a back on the market at the moment the calibre of Jennings.

They were coming from a much stronger base and just added some cream...Our base in 2012 isn't anywhere near what the Roosters had in 2012.
 
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Eelementary

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Two seasons prior to Robinson joining the Roosters they made the Grand Final. Yep...that's really struggling to make the Top 8...

Foran might be better than Maloney, but in fairness to Beau Scott, he's no SBW and there isn't really a back on the market at the moment the calibre of Jennings.

They were coming from a much stronger base and just added some cream...Our base in 2012 isn't anywhere near what the Roosters had in 2012.

Ha!
 

BennyBoy

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Well all I know is that it is a good thing that BA is such a fantastic coach and that the players we brought in are performing so well, just imagine how worse off we'd be if that wasn't the case :roll:
 

phantom eel

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Patience grasshopper.

We improved last year, and were within two games of making the finals for the first time in years. (Personally, I think if Jarryd's mind was on the job and he was switched on for both halves of those two games, we would have made the semis.)

This season we have to go one better - make the semis. With Jarryd's walkout that is going to be pretty hard... but we're only one win off where we need to be at this time of year, despite the circumstances.

Next year under BA will be even better - unless someone else unexpectedly "pulls a Jarryd" and gives us no time to find a replacement.
 

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Parramatta Eels warrior Fuifui Moimoi can't forgive Brad Arthur's 'betrayal'
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Fuifui Moimoi takes on the Bradford defence. Photo: Leigh Centurions

Parramatta cult hero Fuifui Moimoi claims he was "betrayed" by Eels coach Brad Arthur in his final year at the club, alleging a personal vendetta denied him the opportunity to play his farewell match at Pirtek Stadium.

Moimoi, now with the Leigh Centurions in England's second-tier competition, is about to release his biography Fui Speaks and reveals the story of one of league's men of mystery, a player who wriggled out of interviews by telling journalists "English no good".

At a time when NRL player workloads are an issue, his language couldn't be more cutting in describing the anger he feels towards Arthur, saying they fell out when he refused to return early to pre-season training after representing Tonga in the 2013 World Cup.

"I think Brad was angry at me from the beginning of the [2014] season because I wanted to go home to Tonga after the World Cup," wrote Moimoi. "Test players were supposed to get time off after the World Cup before returning to training, but he wanted me to come in early. Every player in the NRL gets a certain amount of time off at the end of each year. Apparently he did not care about this for me. I asked him why and he said, 'I don't want you to train, I just want you to come in and be around the boys'.

"I said it was a waste of time for me to come back early and tried to explain that my family lived overseas, I had a baby living in the States and I needed to see my mum and brother in Tonga. I said, 'I don't have enough time' and he told me that if I didn't return to the Eels early then don't be upset if I ended up missing the first five games. I couldn't believe he tried to pressure me like that, but as I've mentioned earlier, I'm not the type of person to get angry or blow up. So I just told Brad, 'well, if that's what you want, I'm happy with that'.

"He said he'd give me a bye week off to go to see my family later in the year. I said I didn't need that week off and that I'd rather spend time with my family straight after the World Cup, which was at the end of a long year. But Brad just wouldn't budge and I started to get frustrated with him."

Arthur did not want to comment on the claims but a club spokesperson said Moimoi was considered a Parramatta "legend" and is respected for having played more than 200 first grade games there.

However, he said instead of being strongarmed by Arthur to return to Australia straight after the World Cup Moimoi was granted an extended break.
"Fui was provided an extra three weeks of leave," said the spokesperson. "He was contacted by the club once he had failed to return to the country by the agreed time."

While MoiMoi said he was better than the some of the 17 players selected for the final game at Pirtek Stadium the club spokesperson said he was promoted to first grade towards the end of the 2014 season because Junior Paulo was suspended.

"Paulo returned to the side [against] Manly after serving a two week suspension," he said.

Moimoi wanted to know why Parramatta's Australian and New Zealand representatives appeared to receive more favourable treatment but he was enraged by Arthur's suggestion he promised Ricky Stuart he would return early after representing Tonga.

"Brad then really made my blood boil by claiming I'd already agreed with the Eels' previous coach, Ricky Stuart, to come back the following week after the World Cup," he wrote. "I replied, 'F--- off, I never agreed to that with Sticky or the club'. I think from that day Brad just tried to find a way to get me back. I just felt he did not give me the respect I had given him."

Moimoi worked hard to ensure he couldn't be dropped but was demoted to the NSW Cup. He rebuffed an opportunity to make a mid-season switch to Manly because he wanted to play his 200th game for Parramatta.

When Penrith approached him with an offer Moimoi was swayed to stay by Arthur who insisted he would return to first grade. However, he was denied the chance to farewell his supporters in the final home game of the year when he was axed again.

"It was the hardest thing I've ever been through in my career," he wrote. "It made me feel so angry. Brad said he had to pick the best 17, but I know I'm still better than some of those players he selected."

Moimoi's hurt was compounded because while many of his teammates were said to be unhappy about his treatment he only heard from Peni Terepo, Nathan Cayless and Jarryd Hayne: "Some of the boys who I thought were my good mates didn't even call me to see how I was going."

He was convinced to go to the game to farewell the Parramatta faithful and Moimoi said he was grateful to have taken the advice when he walked around the ground to say farewell to the fans after fulltime.

"It was so emotional, I was almost crying seeing their happy faces and how much they appreciated me. I signed autographs until they closed the ground and turned the lights off. I would love to have played a big game in front of them one last time but it wasn't meant to be. The way the coach dropped me made me feel I wasn't good enough to play my last game in front of them. That's why I wanted to stay back and sign as many autographs as I could. It made me feel better and appreciate what is really important: the fans and the people who have supported me over the years."

Moimoi said he was angry at his treatment because of the way he had viewed Arthur before the pair fell out.

"I actually helped him get the job at the Eels," he wrote. "Back in 2013 when the club was deciding between Jason Taylor and Brad for the coaching job, there was some campaigning behind the scenes from his end and some people within the club, I was asked to put in a good word for him along with a few other players. Even though I really liked Jason from his days as head coach at the Eels, I was more than happy to recommend Brad. I had fond memories of when Brad was an assistant and caretaker coach at the club and felt like he had been good to me. So I felt like he had betrayed me when he treated me so poorly throughout the 2014 season."

Fui Speaks - The Tell All Autobiography of Rugby League Cult Figure, FuiFui MoiMoi.

Available from Peter Wyn's Score at the end of May. RRP $29.95

www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/parrama...l-20150509-ggx5y1.touch.html?skin=smart-phone
 

hineyrulz

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Fui was rightfully dropped in that last game at Parra stadium, doesn't make him any less of an Eels legend in my eyes. One of my favourite Eels of all time.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Fui was rightfully dropped in that last game at Parra stadium, doesn't make him any less of an Eels legend in my eyes. One of my favourite Eels of all time.

Agreed mate. He is one of my all time favourite players but he played more than a season too long. Even in 2013 he was a liability in defence.
 

bartman

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Is anyone safe from these Spagnolo-Fitzy aligned muckraking merkins? Any Parra Eels fan who supports ParraMounted or the Professionals needs their head read.
 

natheel

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Can't wait till these elections are over. Sharp hopefully will be in again and all this shit will be far behind us
 

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