DRAGONS - Alternate Jersey

[God-King Dean]

I'm not hijacking, I'm giving my opinion

 

[et]

I meant by me.

 

[Anonymous]

A Third party view would be interesting. Read my original post.

You might be able to fool a few people with that line, but all I see is divisive and cynical Steelers supporter doing what he can to unsettle the Joint Venture.

You don't support the Dragons. You support the Steelers. That's fine but let's not gloss over your intentions.

You knew exactly what would happen in this NRL forum. Other teams supporters know very little about the overall issue and will look at it mainly through your pro-Steelers pitch.

This poll is at best, a poor excuse of an experiment, contaminated by your own bias.

All you've done is prove the point I made in the Dragons forum: that the proposal to have a Steelers 'away' jersey will cause division and damage.

But then again, that's what you want.

 

[God-King Dean]

At least Dragons can have debates like this

lol, most clubs don't need to have "debates like this."

Anyway enough thread hijacking.

My bad

 

[tz17]

First off im not a steelers or dragons fan :lol:

But all you steelers supporters have it all wrong!!! You have more than an equal share in the JV. Now lets count how many local junior players the steelers have playing 1st grade at the moment compared to st george juniors :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So before you st george supporters say that you DONT NEED the steelers input, good luck fielding a competitve team next year mad up of SG juniors :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Its only the inept management of the DRAGONS that let the stewart brothers go to manly from right under your nose :lol: :lol:

PEACE ALL!!

 

[drake]

In the 4 years living in the Illawarra, I have met 1 anti Dragons ex Steelers fan. Most people follow other teams entirely, and have all their lives.
I was driving through the old north sydney territory thinking "This whole area has no representation in 1st grade Rugby League. And folks like MOS whinge they lost their team, when 7 out of twelve home games are played at WIN.

You don't like so, you know where you can go.

And can someone tell me; WHAT THE f**k IS A STEELER?!!!

 

[God-King Dean]

A Steeler is a person who works in Industrial works or something like that

See near WIN the Industrial area?

 

[God-King Dean]

Steeler \Steel"er\, n.
One who points, edges, or covers with steel.

That's what I got from an online dictionary

 

[drake]

Mate, I know a lot of blokes who work in the Steel works, and they don't call themselves steelers. As my Father in law says, " I no a Steeler, I just borrow it for a while. ;-) "

 

[God-King Dean]

Perhaps, but that's what it is

It could be more of an American term, like how they have the Pittburgh Sttlers in NFL, Illawarra used it

 

[Dragon Fanatic]

Ok, the Red V at the start of the merger was non-negotiable. We saved the Steelers from financial ruin and helped them at least have some name in the NRL. St george has benefited greatly from the Illawarra connection but the Red V will always be the main strip and even the alternate strip which is hardly ever worn has nearlly alrwady been decided on for 2005. The blood and bandages will vb gone and the Illawarra strip was never taken into consideration.

The bottom line, St george saved the steelers and pay for the majority of the club and therefore have all say to do with matters such as this. Red V for life as it is entrenched in history compared to the laughable scarlet one.

 

[Berkeley_Eagle]

"17 years and won frig all" – similar thing they chant to Cronulla.

Fact: In the same 17 seasons that the Steelers were in the competition (1982 – 1998), St George only achieved the same result as us – one cup win. This despite the fact we were trying to establish ourselves in the league (during a recession) and they were already well established and wealthy. IT TOOK ST.GEORGE OVER 2 DECADES TO WIN A PREMIERSHIP!

 

[Berkeley_Eagle]

"The people of the Illawarra couldn’t support their own team and it failed"

Fact: The Steelers had higher home crowds than St George, 9 seasons to 8. This despite some of the above factors (the tough times establishing ourselves) and our home ground was much smaller than today. These are the seasons Illawarra had bigger home crowds than St George:

1982, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997

Notice the trend from the early to mid 90s (Rugby League’s golden era, before Super League). That period is also the only time the Steelers weren’t either trying to establish themselves or being torn apart during Super League. Without external influences (establishing during a recession and Super League) the Steelers were an overwhelming success, on and off the field.

Also during that period, Illawarra consistently finished in the top half of the ladder (16 teams), better than today’s top eight.

 

[Berkeley_Eagle]

Ok, the Red V at the start of the merger was non-negotiable. We saved the Steelers from financial ruin and helped them at least have some name in the NRL. St george has benefited greatly from the Illawarra connection but the Red V will always be the main strip and even the alternate strip which is hardly ever worn has nearlly alrwady been decided on for 2005. The blood and bandages will vb gone and the Illawarra strip was never taken into consideration.

The bottom line, St george saved the steelers and pay for the majority of the club and therefore have all say to do with matters such as this. Red V for life as it is entrenched in history compared to the laughable scarlet one.

"The jersey is not negotiable. There’s no way the Steelers jumper should be the alternate jersey. You’ve got the socks and shorts anyway".

In that case, why can’t we have our scarlet shorts and socks?

Fact: The Steelers jumper will be the Dragons alternate jersey either next season or in 2006… an overdue move. The Steelers Heritage Day and the sell out crowd (new ground record) is a great example of why it needs to happen. It's possibly the most logical thing the Joint Venture will ever do.

 

[Anonymous]

For some reason, people insist of posting these 'facts' like they believe it to be the all and end all. And each time it's easily countered.
Is it on another forum waiting for a copy and paste?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to bag out in the Steelers, but when you post 'stats' like that, logic dictates that someone has to set you straight.

Fact: In the same 17 seasons that the Steelers were in the competition (1982 – 1998), St George only achieved the same result as us – one cup win.

Incorrect. The St George result was quite different.

During this period St George qualified for the semi-finals 8 times to Steelers 2.
Additionally, St George were grand finalists 4 times to Steelers 0.
St George were also club champions and minor premiers during this period.

This despite the fact we were trying to establish ourselves in the league (during a recession) and they were already well established and wealthy. IT TOOK ST.GEORGE OVER 2 DECADES TO WIN A PREMIERSHIP!

During this 2 DECADES from 1921-1941, St George were trying to establish themselves in a post-war climate, the Great Depression and World War 2.
Despite these hardships, Saints qualified for the semi-finals 11 times, won the club championship once, were minor premiers, and qualified for the Final decider in 1927.
In 1930, and at the height of the Depression, Saints won the Final. Under the previous season's rules they would have won the premiership. But had to play again in the new style grand final and had to settle for runners up for the second time in their short existence.

All in all, a pretty impressive start.

They eventually won our first Grand Final and premiership in 1941... wearing the Blood and Bandages jersey.

 

[Anonymous]

Notice the trend from the early to mid 90s (Rugby League’s golden era, before Super League). That period is also the only time the Steelers weren’t either trying to establish themselves or being torn apart during Super League. Without external influences (establishing during a recession and Super League) the Steelers were an overwhelming success, on and off the field.

Were the Steelers the only team affected by Super League? I recall 1996 when the Dragons playing and coaching personnel was stripped bare and the club's existence came into question.
They recovered to make that year's grand final.

Also during that period, Illawarra consistently finished in the top half of the ladder (16 teams), better than today’s top eight.

Which period?
Apart from 3 years (1992-94), the Steelers never found themselves in the top half.
Let's look at the full picture (Steelers position in minor premiership 1982-1998):
1982: 13th (out of 14)
1983: 12th (out of 14)
1984: 8th (out of 13)
1985: 13th (out of 13)
1986: 13th (out of 13)
1987: 11th (out of 13)
1988: 13th (out of 16)
1989: 16th (out of 16)
1990: 9th (out of 16)
1991: 8th (out of 16)
1992: 3rd (out of 16)
1993: 7th (out of 16)
1994: 6th (out of 16)
1995: 12th (out of 20)
1996: 14th (out of 20)
1997: 6th (out of 12)
1998: 12th (out of 20)

There's no top half consistence there.

And before you get ready the shoot the messenger, I reiterate that I'm not here to criticise the Steelers. Just posting the facts.

 

[Dragon Fanatic]

Well said Willow, and by the way where did I ever quote
"The jersey is not negotiable. There’s no way the Steelers jumper should be the alternate jersey. You’ve got the socks and shorts anyway".

I did say the jersey was not negotiable but the other part you pulled out of thin air.

I love the Illawarra connection and believe we have a rich future as a merged entity but I believe that Illawarra have already got enough in the merger and do not need any more. They have Socks, Shorts, A majority of the player roster from their junior base, 7 home games in Wollongong and plenty of development and training from the club down their.

What more do you want?

 

[Jamesy]

We don'y wear the illwarra shorts. If we wore the Illawara shorts, they'd be scarlett.

 

[Collateral]

Steelers Jersey for sure.

 

[Anonymous]

...where did I ever quote
"The jersey is not negotiable. There’s no way the Steelers jumper should be the alternate jersey. You’ve got the socks and shorts anyway".

I did say the jersey was not negotiable but the other part you pulled out of thin air.

I think you'll find that Berkeley_Eagle is posting from Steelers dogma and probably didn't read your post.

He'd be equipped with the usual list of likely questions and answers to be used when door knocking on Sunday mornings.