DRAGONS - Alternate Jersey

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Jabs, there's a reason why St.George joined with Illawarra... because it benefits them as well.

Sure, the Steelers Club are the smaller financial contributor of the two shareholders, but the Illawarra doesn't just provide access to a rich player nursery. It also provides extra Corporate backing that St.George wouldn't be able to get without Illawarra with them.

And as for the loan, it is to be paid back (with small interest). If the club goes belly up and can't operate, St.George can aquire it and sell it to get their money back. While that is highly unlikely, the loan will strengthen the club (through renovations) and increase it's revenue resulting in the Steelers contributing more money to the Joint Venture and lighten the load on St.George Leagues.

The end result is St.George can't lose. Anyone with any business sense can see that. Don't talk rubbish and make out that St.George are actually worse off since the merger. They took part because of huge benefits for them.

 

[Anonymous]

MOS, you seemed to have missed this:
As a matter of interest, would you be happy if all Dragons home games were played in Wollongong?

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

MOS, you seemed to have missed this:
As a matter of interest, would you be happy if all Dragons home games were played in Wollongong?

Yes I would. I've always believed that's how it should of been in the beginning. Infact, down here, we were led to believe when the joint venture took place that this would be the case from season 2000 onwards. The Steelers day crowd and support is what they'd get every week.

 

[Anonymous]

So this would also be part your agenda? That is to have no games at Kogarah.

I find it odd to read this desire for a fair and equitable JV, and yet you want all games to be played in Wollongong.

You just want the team to play full time in Wollongong, wear the Steelers jersey and to be called the Steelers.

Your poll should have been more up front and posed the question that you really want to ask.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

So this would also be part your agenda? That is to have no games at Kogarah.

I find it odd to read this desire for a fair and equitable JV, and yet you want all games to be played in Wollongong.

You just want the team to play full time in Wollongong, wear the Steelers jersey and to be called the Steelers.

Your poll should have been more up front and posed the question that you really want to ask.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Gee, that's a stretch!

Firstly I've never said the Red V should be replaced, just the Steelers design used as the alternate jumper (meaning a few of the WIN games and a few away games).

I just want something... anything more than the current arrangement. Any concession would be greatly valued.

I bet you believe in conspiracy theories, Willow.

 

[Jimbo]

I bet you believe in conspiracy theories, Willow.

You don't spend much time in Four Corners, do you?

:lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Firstly I've never said the Red V should be replaced, just the Steelers design used as the alternate jumper...

With respect, you don't have to be Einstein to work out what you're after.

1.) You have said a number of times that you want an end to the JV and the Steelers back. You may recall this.
2.) You just said that you want all 'Dragons' games to be played in Wollongong - an inequity if there ever was one.
3.) When asked about the connection with the Steeler's jersey and moving to Wollongong, said this:

It will certainly win back a hell of alot of people. As for moving down here, I asked the Dragons and they said "not in the near future". Notice they didn't say never I'll always hope!

An ultimate aim to see the Steelers name going around again, wearing the Steelers jersey, playing in Wollongong fulltime... that sounds about right doesn't it?

Unless you've recently changed your mind.

 

[Collateral]

I cant wait for the younger generation of Dragons fans that have only known St. George Illawarra take over as the majority and piss all these pro Saint George or pro Steelers majorities off. Once we get rid of those mobs, we can move foward as one.

 

[God-King Dean]

I cant wait for the younger generation of Dragons fans that have only known St. George Illawarra take over as the majority and piss all these pro Saint George or pro Steelers majorities off. Once we get rid of those mobs, we can move foward as one.

This has always been a thought in my head, but I thought it would be a bit rude for those St.George fans who still buy the tickets, jerseys etc.

Being one of those fans who has only really known St.George Illawarra (I went for St.George before the merge, but I was only about 11 when they last went round went round so I don't have too many memories of them) I get very frustrated about the bickering over St.George & Illawarra because people are losing passion about their team & so are the players IMO. Lke the people who refuse to go to WIN or Oki because they go for St.George/Illawarra not St.George/Illawarra.

I don't blame those people who feel very hard done by. I think it'd be particularly harder for St.George fans (taking nothing away from Illawarra) with people saying "But you have won absolutly nothing", when S.George has a very proud history, winning 11 Premierships in a row, & having Immortals Langlands, Raper & Gasnier. I applaude the people who have accepted the change & accepted the other side the merger has come from

 

[Collateral]

Im pretty much in the same situation as you Immortal...I started supporting the Dragons when I was 5 and I'm 17 now. I find it very annoying and disheartening with all the crap that these pro saint/steelers fans carry on with.
I'm losing my passion to support the Dragons because of these one eyed clowns that are stopping the progression of a club that has the potential to be easily the best in the world.

Its also very frustrating when the club plays favourites like with the head trainer saga for this season, where they choose a favourite over a professional. The club and its fans (those fans know who they are) need to stop living in the past and accept change because its the only way we will move foward.

All this dumb bickering over a jersey is so ridiculous its not funny. In the future it wont matter because the younger fans will of taken over as a majority and we will of moved past this divide....Out of all the Dragons fans I know my age, 0 of them give a sh!t about Saint George or Illawarra's past. Its the future and the present that we care about.

Maybe you older "wiser" Steelers and Saints fans should take a lesson from the youth.

 

[God-King Dean]

Well I am personally proud of both their histories, it's not something we should just forget about. I hate personally hate it when people say this but I think in this case it applies. STOP LIVING IN THE PAST! St.George alone are non-existent, as well as Steelers.

 

[Collateral]

The past is something to look back on...not live in. How is the past going to help us as a club now? Of course younger fans know and respect the clubs pasts....but...who cares? how many years ago was it that Saints won a Premiership? 1975? Stop living in the past old fullas, and start living in the now.

 

[_Johnsy]

I have been a StGeorge supporter since 76, and since 99 I have been a StGeorge Illawarra supporter. I will always support the drags, no matter what. For me it is the only "decent" option for an away jersey. It has to be the steelers jumper. Just an opinion of a rabid dragons fan. Go the dragons. :thumnn

 

[God-King Dean]

This also raises a sub-question. Should the the annunual SCG match happen. I think it should, but since there no St.George alone anymore, why is it even held? Just a something to think about.

 

[_Johnsy]

I dont understand all the infighting.

Aren't we all here for the one cause ?

To support the dragons and see them succeed.

 

[God-King Dean]

I dont understand all the infighting.

Aren't we all here for the one cause ?

To support the dragons and see them succeed.

Not neccessarily. Some looking for St.George to succeed, others Steelers.

3 groups in our club: Pro- St.George
Pro- Illawarra
Pro- St.George Illawarra

People have to choose

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Firstly I've never said the Red V should be replaced, just the Steelers design used as the alternate jumper...

With respect, you don't have to be Einstein to work out what you're after.

1.) You have said a number of times that you want an end to the JV and the Steelers back. You may recall this.
2.) You just said that you want all 'Dragons' games to be played in Wollongong - an inequity if there ever was one.
3.) When asked about the connection with the Steeler's jersey and moving to Wollongong, said this:

It will certainly win back a hell of alot of people. As for moving down here, I asked the Dragons and they said "not in the near future". Notice they didn't say never I'll always hope!

An ultimate aim to see the Steelers name going around again, wearing the Steelers jersey, playing in Wollongong fulltime... that sounds about right doesn't it?

Unless you've recently changed your mind.

There'll all separate issues Willow, with one common thread - change from the current situation.

In regards to the Steelers standing alone, my idea (which is separate to this argument) was that the Steelers would of been better off standing alone in PL and Flegg, perhaps as a feeder club to St.George. (as a way of both clubs maintaining their true identity). It would of meant just controlling the juniors and having more of a presence than is currently the case.

This issue is on the basis of the joint venture staying in place. And it's looking good at 85%

You're desperately trying to twist and combine all my opinions on different matters into one to try and discredit the argument.

Keep it up... you've got me in stitches. :lol:

 

[Collateral]

woosh

 

[Collateral]

3 groups in our club: Pro- St.George
Pro- Illawarra
Pro- St.George Illawarra

People have to choose

Pro Saint George Illawarra all the way!

After listening to the raving Saints and Steelers fanatics, if the JV broke up and Saints came back and so did Illawarra, I would support.....Brisbane (long story), but the reason i would not support the dragons or steelers is because of the extreme stupidity and lack of common sense of the Saints and Steelers fanatics.

St. George will continue to live in the past making the same old mistakes and the Steelers will go bankrupt.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

3 groups in our club: Pro- St.George
Pro- Illawarra
Pro- St.George Illawarra

People have to choose

Pro Saint George Illawarra all the way!
St. George will continue to live in the past making the same old mistakes and the Steelers will go bankrupt.

No, we wouldn't. We'd unlikely be in the NRL, not bankrupt (been reading too many St.George posts).