Dragons back in the F7s

[dubopov]

I think you'll find people don't have any gripes at all with the Dragons F7's team

oops I forgot .. it's just me

 

[Big Mick]

oops I forgot .. it's just me

Man...you are a genius! Are you part of Mensa?

And why do you think that is?

Because you rock the boat? or the way you rock the boat?

 

[Jesbass]

And I offered last year and re-newed my offer this year but haven't had so much as a nibble yet then again there could well be extentuating circumstances such as there hasn't been a need so far.

Hey Willow... I'll mark yours if you'll mark mine

NT appointed you for a Round 2 match, Titanic. :thumn

 

[Willow]

I will reply to the sh*t that is being posted on here about our team .. no sh*t posted = no replies ..

'Our' team?

So are you in your or not?

 

[LeagueNut]

I don't have the attention span to wade through everything here. I will add this though, and apologies if it's out of place.

The 2009 F7's Four Nations final finished with a wee bit (!) of controversy. Thanks to the evils of technology, the F7s word counter gave the referee an incorrect figure for one article. The referee posted the score, including a word count penalty, and we lost the match. The word count penalty was the deciding factor between winning and losing.

I didn't quite know what my options were, but plenty of others were debating it and suggesting I had a strong case for getting the result officially overturned.

After reading arguments both ways I decided to let it be.

Once the referee posts their decision, whether you like it or not, it's done.

Just like the NRL - when the referee makes the call, whether you like it or not, it's done.

How many of us can honestly say our NRL team has never been dudded by a dodgy referee call?

Some NRL teams (mine included) have been convinced over the years that the referees have a personal vendetta against them, and will deliberately rule against us at every opportunity.

Whether or not their suspicions are genuine isn't the point. The fact remains that NRL teams won't pack up and walk away just because of some perceived bias against them.

And F7s teams shouldn't be any different.

What do we do with the referees though? Well, just like in the NRL, we should be providing them with a set of guidelines, strong leadership, and whatever else we can to make any perceptions of bias or unfair rules disappear.

Isn't that exactly what we try to do every year with these post-season F7s reviews?

We can't fix everything all at once. It's going to be a gradual process, perhaps with a few little tweaks every year, until we get to some sort of system that mostly works.

As players, all we can do is stick it out, try our best, and offer our opinions where we can. Again, I think the same basic guidelines apply to the NRL.

I'd also like to add that I hope the Dragons stick around in the F7s.

 

[Jesbass]

I don't have the attention span to wade through everything here. I will add this though, and apologies if it's out of place.

The 2009 F7's Four Nations final finished with a wee bit (!) of controversy. Thanks to the evils of technology, the F7s word counter gave the referee an incorrect figure for one article. The referee posted the score, including a word count penalty, and we lost the match. The word count penalty was the deciding factor between winning and losing.

I didn't quite know what my options were, but plenty of others were debating it and suggesting I had a strong case for getting the result officially overturned.

After reading arguments both ways I decided to let it be.

Once the referee posts their decision, whether you like it or not, it's done.

Just like the NRL - when the referee makes the call, whether you like it or not, it's done.

How many of us can honestly say our NRL team has never been dudded by a dodgy referee call?

Some NRL teams (mine included) have been convinced over the years that the referees have a personal vendetta against them, and will deliberately rule against us at every opportunity.

Whether or not their suspicions are genuine isn't the point. The fact remains that NRL teams won't pack up and walk away just because of some perceived bias against them.

And F7s teams shouldn't be any different.

What do we do with the referees though? Well, just like in the NRL, we should be providing them with a set of guidelines, strong leadership, and whatever else we can to make any perceptions of bias or unfair rules disappear.

Isn't that exactly what we try to do every year with these post-season F7s reviews?

We can't fix everything all at once. It's going to be a gradual process, perhaps with a few little tweaks every year, until we get to some sort of system that mostly works.

As players, all we can do is stick it out, try our best, and offer our opinions where we can. Again, I think the same basic guidelines apply to the NRL.

I'd also like to add that I hope the Dragons stick around in the F7s.

+1 to every single comment you made there, LN. :thumn

 

[Big Mick]

Congrats to LN for providing a balanced and brilliant insight.

 

[Rexxy]

BGDC you have to cut the easily wound up and passionate Dubopov some slack. Especially if he had another F7 player in his ear before the season started, saying the comp was rigged and that certain match results were manufactured to suit certain milestones.

I was looking for that hunk Mick and stumbled into this.

Here is a woman's perspective:

It was only a few months ago when the F7's community rallied around Murphyscreek, concerned that he may have been in strife. In my very limited understanding of the internal politicking of F7's, I've often enjoyed the controversies and spats surrounding the competition because it is so "out there" compared to the dramas of real life. Laughable really. My husband one of the worst.

Dragons, the other teams don't hate you guys. I've given you an example of that above and the competition needs you. Just like it needs all its players, warts and all.

Dubopov, you're wrong in my humble opinion on one count. At least one team doesn't agree with you. You didnt beat us. Not on the scoreboard nor in execution, in our opinion, but better luck next time. You're welcome to swear, you don't have to suck it up but if you think you are winning support then you're very wrong.

Where were you when the debate to address the marking issue was at its height? Perhaps another voice would have swayed the majority towards what you seem to want.

Don't like the Boys Club? Well you're welcome over here with the girls, just leave the tantrums at home, please, we have enough real ones to deal with, thank you.

 

[Drew-Sta]

+1 to every single comment you made there, LN. :thumn

Congrats to LN for providing a balanced and brilliant insight.

Oh sure, give LN a wrap for his post and ignore mine

Jks. Good post LN, I support what you've said.

 

[Jesbass]

Oh sure, give LN a wrap for his post and ignore mine

Jks. Good post LN, I support what you've said.

:lol: :thumn

 

[Jesbass]

BGDC you have to cut the easily wound up and passionate Dubopov some slack. Especially if he had another F7 player in his ear before the season started, saying the comp was rigged and that certain match results were manufactured to suit certain milestones.

Presumably this post is in jest or, if not, the comment itself was? It would explain the presupposition at play, but it's as baseless a claim as any other.

Is anyone willing to step forward and verify this? It's very poor form, if this really was said.

 

[Big Mick]

Yeah that is definitely concerning.

But surely it would have been in jest or it was just a stupid statement

 

[Jesbass]

I've had someone contact me and it seems it was taken out of context. C'est la vie.

 

[dubopov]

It's fact .. something that is impossible to take out of context .. given that the person responsible was even more forward with their comments this year than with similar comments made last year.

 

[Rexxy]

I've had someone contact me and it seems it was taken out of context. C'est la vie.

Jesbass for such a serious allegation, you may want to write back to this "someone" requesting further clarification ...

 

[Jesbass]

Jesbass for such a serious allegation, you may want to write back to this "someone" requesting further clarification ...

The person who contacted me said they thought it was they whose comments had been taken, but that they'd merely been a prediction that happened to come true, rather than an accusation.

Unless, of course, more than one person has said something.

Even so, it's still baseless and grossly detrimental to the competition, especially when people actually give it credence.

 

[murphyscreek]

The person who contacted me said they thought it was they whose comments had been taken

Still no name. Yet, you had no qualms about disclosing that dubopov had contacted you by private message and disclosing the content of those communications.

In this case, I would have thought the disclosure of the identity of "the person" was just as relevant to discussions as dubo being named. Would sure help me to understand what the f**k is going on in this place.

 

[Jesbass]

Still no name. Yet, you had no qualms about disclosing that dubopov had contacted you by private message and disclosing the content of those communications.

In this case, I would have thought the disclosure of the identity of "the person" was just as relevant to discussions as dubo being named. Would sure help me to understand what the f**k is going on in this place.

I'm not sure of the cause for this misinterpretation, but I said no such thing.

To clarify: dubopov didn't say anything via PM about having "another F7 player in his ear before the season started, saying the comp was rigged and that certain match results were manufactured to suit certain milestones" - Rexxy made the comment in this thread, and I've simply replied to that.

In doing so, I've been contacted via PM by someone who thinks they may have contributed to this perception unintentionally. Considering the gross difference in stories, it may well be that dubopov was contacted by someone else in a more direct manner.

Regardless, I've asked this individual to come forward publicly to clarify their statements. It may be enough for dubopov to clarify that the comments came from someone else.

Even so, there's no master plan at hand here. We just have an incredibly subjective system that I feel needs to be improved, and I've been working towards that for a few months. Quite how it's got from the same subjective system where writers sometimes don't get the marks they feel they deserved to a grand master plan to oust the Dragons is, to be perfectly honest, beyond my ability or energy - not to mention it'd be the exact opposite of what I've openly and publicly stated.

Even if it were true, the personal insults I've had sent in my direction have been unjustified. (It's hard to mastermind a conspiracy when you aren't even involved in any dealings with the team in question for anything more than refereeing one match! If this has been gonig on since the beginning of last year, I don't understand why I'm copping flak, as I wasn't here.)

Normally, I'd expect an apology for the outright slurs on my character. But to be frankly honest, considering the amount of hurt involved by those in the thick of it, I doubt that will be forthcoming, and so while I don't agree or even accept, I do at least understand.

To be perfectly honest, I'm in the dark as much as most of us, although the picture is slowly beginning to be revealed. I'm sure we'd all agree that it's quite a messy one that needs cleaning up!

 

[Jesbass]

It's fact .. something that is impossible to take out of context .. given that the person responsible was even more forward with their comments this year than with similar comments made last year.

Setting aside what you've been told or how you've interpreted it, I've asked you a few times what marking procedure you would prefer. You've said "a fair one", and I've asked you to expand on that, but you haven't - could you please do that now, once and for all?

And while you're in an irenic mood, what else can be done to improve the game?

I make no secret that it concerns me that you had nothing to say until you got a mark you didn't like. But now you have an opportunity to set the record straight.

So, what can be done?

The floor is yours.

 

[murphyscreek]

Jesbass,

I'm not accusing you of anything. Just seeking clarification of when it is, or isn't, Ok to disclose the author and contents of PM's.