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Dragons Coach 2021 and Beyond

Who do you want to see as Dragons coach?


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Coffs dragon

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The thing that strikes me about Anthony Griffin, is he seems an honest straight shooter. A future partnership with Dean Young maybe beneficial as they both share this same characteristic plus Dean has worked along side Griffin for Tonga.
At least Griffin enjoys a very healthy winning percentage and is not a bullshit spin artist.
He has the reputation of developing & giving youth the opportunity.
He doesn’t like Gus Gould which is a bonus.

I would be happy for the club to give Griffin a 1 to 2 year opportunity, working together with Dean Young. Personally, I feel Deano may learn more under Griffin than the dark side of Flanno and how he operates.
 

possm

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The thing that strikes me about Anthony Griffin, is he seems an honest straight shooter. A future partnership with Dean Young maybe beneficial as they both share this same characteristic plus Dean has worked along side Griffin for Tonga.
At least Griffin enjoys a very healthy winning percentage and is not a bullshit spin artist.
He has the reputation of developing & giving youth the opportunity.
He doesn’t like Gus Gould which is a bonus.

I would be happy for the club to give Griffin a 1 to 2 year opportunity, working together with Dean Young. Personally, I feel Deano may learn more under Griffin than the dark side of Flanno and how he operates.
I think we need to stop making this all about Dean Young. The club has been very good to him and now it is time to cut the apron strings and go off and make his own way in life. Once he wins a premiership or two and proves he knows how to coach, then yes consider him along with all the others for our head coach position.

In the meantime, jettison both Craig Young and Peter Doust from the Board and replace them with people who are not focused on their self-interests.

It might now be time to restructure the Board to ensure that fan membership is introduced and such members have a vote on who sits on the Board.
 

Coffs dragon

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I think we need to stop making this all about Dean Young. The club has been very good to him and now it is time to cut the apron strings and go off and make his own way in life. Once he wins a premiership or two and proves he knows how to coach, then yes consider him along with all the others for our head coach position.

In the meantime, jettison both Craig Young and Peter Doust from the Board and replace them with people who are not focused on their self-interests.

It might now be time to restructure the Board to ensure that fan membership is introduced and such members have a vote on who sits on the Board.
Possum I disagree & feel the club’s biggest problems lay in the factions of the past with the St.George side & the Illawarra side of old boys.
Dean Young represents the JV of St.George Illawarra Dragons and is a history making premiership winner. He can play an important part in forging our future as one united club.
I would like the club to utilise the coaching knowledge of both outsiders & insiders to help create and promote culture. Dean Young bleeds Red & White and hopefully he can pass on, whilst still learning in his early coaching career.
 

possm

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Possum I disagree & feel the club’s biggest problems lay in the factions of the past with the St.George side & the Illawarra side of old boys.
Dean Young represents the JV of St.George Illawarra Dragons and is a history making premiership winner. He can play an important part in forging our future as one united club.
I would like the club to utilise the coaching knowledge of both outsiders & insiders to help create and promote culture. Dean Young bleeds Red & White and hopefully he can pass on, whilst still learning in his early coaching career.
We no longer have a Joint Venture Club and Illawarra is no longer a partner; they sold their shares to an entity who was not the highest bidder for the shares.

What is leftover from that toxic relationship are people that are not up to the job and are just there to help themselves and their mates. Craig Young and his son are part of that culture.

Unlike JD and Holbrook who both earned their positions of an assistant coach, Young and Hornby were gifted their positions as part of a deal to install Mary as head coach and Millward as the director of everything.

In the same way, the long drawn out negotiations between the Gordons, WIN TV and SGI resulting in the lowest bidder gaining Illawarra's shareholding were an insight into the goings-on within our club. Craig Young appointed as a board director, Peter Doust also on the Board and retaining the CEO position of St George Leagues Club and Football Club.

The Club needs a complete clean-out and a restructure that provides accountability of those placed in-charge.
 

matPORTS

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It's going to be very important for the club and the supporter group to not get too caught up in the early hype.

I like what I've seen & heard early on from Dean in interviews and media conferences. It's a refreshing (and less frustrating) change from that we've experienced in the last few years. It is not within any doubt that has a lot of passion for club, it's history and it's values. As player, he never left anything in the tank after the 80mins. The standards and expectations he will set for the group during this interim period will be in line with his values.

But, as others have mentioned, what we saw last Friday night was still no different to the Mary-era. There was no team selections on Tuesday where any of us read the list and thought 'hmm... interesting'. The game plan was pretty much the same, as was the use of the bench throughout the course of the 80mins. Early days and Dean acknowledges that, despite coming away with the last two wins, we've got to keep getting better. Personally, I will reserve judgement of this interim period until the final whistle of our final game.

We've been here before though. The results somewhat improved in the second half of 2014 when Mary took over from Price. The supporter group and media were quietened down while the board quietly went about the business of finding a new full time head coach. I know we fell short on Bennett due to the last minute back flip on his part / Broncos swoop in. But there was no back up plan for that scenario almost to the point where the club. particularly the Illawarra mafia, was almost wishing Bennett wouldn't say yes to Dousty so that Mary could be instilled (the rest is now history).

This time around we have also been competing in a market where three (soon to be four) other clubs have sacked their coaches. The names who've been rumored / discussed are:

- Not 'officially available' for one reason or another (Flanngan, Bennett)
- Rookies, even if serving good apprenticeships as assistants (Fitzgibbon, Ryles) [Old Boys]
- Currently coaching overseas... COVID situation, might be hard to move to Australia at this time (Wane)
- Experienced assistants with former NRL head coaching experience (Furner, Cartwright)
- Experienced currently out of the game with former NRL head coaching experience (Griffin, Toovey)
- Well outside the box, but name mentioned (Walters)

When I look at the names who've been rumored and discussed:

- Bans aren't going to be lifted (Peter V'Landys is a stickler for it)
- Contracts / Agreements are unlikely to be broken
- You're on a good wicket as an assistant so why would you bother
- Making an overseas move for a job at this time will be a very considered decision
- Of those who currently have NRL head coaching experience, who would be the right fit for our culture and would any of them even want the job
- More likely that most of these guys will either stay put in what they are currently doing or end up elsewhere

If the club does go down the Dean Young route - he is going to need a very experienced team of assistants / staff to see him through the first couple of years (the honey-moon period will very quickly wear off). I'm all for trying a Young / Flannagan / Shepherd combination - but you'd need to lock that in for at least two years and ensure that Flanno & Shepherd are adequately compensated to prevent them being enticed away for another gig in 2022. If it's not Flanno & Shepherd, then it probably needs to be Bennett as the mentor to Young.

Additionally, we need to stop the revolving door of assistants that occurred throughout the entire Mary-era, and ensure consistency of staff whilst we go through the re-building.
 

redandwhite4evr

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I didn’t see it
But surely not , the BOD and Webb must have more sense that an internal rookie who has been part of the problem for a few years here
Imagine the outcry and the pressure young would be under

Bennett with Young , I will cop that
Maybe even Griffin and Young as they have form
Those 2 happy to have Young as assistant I assume

but any others would be saying I choose my team and assistants wouldn’t they?
Imagine Wane being told , by the way your knew defensive coach is .....Young because he’s an old boy and did a great job in 2019 and his dads on the board


I like your logic but the SGI Board doesn't seem to operate on the basis of logic- old boys network, nepotism, factionalism, a reluctance to spend, and other mysterious factors seem to guide decision-making.
 

LINESPEED

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In the meantime, jettison both Craig Young and Peter Doust from the Board and replace them with people who are not focused on their self-interests.

It might now be time to restructure the Board to ensure that fan membership is introduced and such members have a vote on who sits on the Board.

Yes Webby

We need the Cleanout to continue.

So are Gordon, Lancaster, Osborne & Gulloch? going to fall on their collective swords for their especial role in backing their Waterboy to 2020’s point of no return.

And take the lion’s share of responsibility for the payout & the trashing of membership & culture?
 

Draginzaaar

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I like fitzy as an option too but I don't think you can undersell wane like that.

What's more likely?
3x premiership winning coach in the esl assimilating into the nrl and being successful. Keeping in mind he will have assistants that will help the transition.

Or
Untested assistant coach who has worked with the salary sombrero roosters and never been tested Outside a stacked team.

Again I still think fitzy is a good choice but you can't compare the two.

I'm also aware that wane coached one of the few top teams. But again so are the roosters.

Steve Price won the Challenge Cup. Enough said.
 

redv13

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So hard to say, I wouldn't rush into it.

Young/Flanagan might be a decent stop gap and we have a free trial now.
A premiership coach helping a premiership player from our last win.

I think truly rounded head coaches are like genuine all-rounders in cricket. Super valuable, but very rare and hard to manufacture. Reality is there aren't many coaches out there, even currently in NRL head coaching positions, who have man-management and the technical stuff truly covered.

I think some teams recognise now it's more than a one man job. The head coach can just be a media mouthpiece and coordinator, which say a Cleary seems to be, while a coaching team run the technical side.

Fitzgibbon seems ideal, especially working under Robinson who obviously has both aspects covered.

But if we can't land the big fish, I see no issue spending more money on the team behind the coach.

For me, we need someone intelligent at the top who can keep a side invested. There's plenty of coaches who can deliver a short response, but as we're seeing at the Tigers that doesn't last.

So my long answer to your short question is

Sit on Young/Flanagan into next year. Give them a pre-season and 8 rounds. If no good, move on Fitzy who is content under Robinson for now anyway.

What will our board do though?

Completely panic, spend way too much on getting a big name to appease the masses and take pressure off themselves before the end of the season. Betterment of our footy side will be second on the agenda to some solid PR.
Some people are saying Flanno is out of contract this year and won’t be sticking around. Not sure if true or garbage. Something about Flanno, got a feeling he will drop us like a hot turd if his ban isn’t overturned
 

Mjab

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Flanagan definitely leaving end year . Ennis a great friend of his said so
Cross him off list

plenty rumours , many wild rumours just to sell adds I suspect

would love Bellamy but a pipe dream . I suspect Cam his assistant next year and then take over the next

Fitzgibbon staying I was told by someone high at Roosters at least 1 more year

Bennett maybe will jump for a shit load$. Happy for Bennett Young combo

I can live with a 2 year deal Griffin and Young If Bennett doesn’t eventuate and in reality probably the most likely outcome to be honest

these other Good options are quickly fading away

BUT at least no more MARY
 

blue bags

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The thing that strikes me about Anthony Griffin, is he seems an honest straight shooter. A future partnership with Dean Young maybe beneficial as they both share this same characteristic plus Dean has worked along side Griffin for Tonga.
At least Griffin enjoys a very healthy winning percentage and is not a bullshit spin artist.
He has the reputation of developing & giving youth the opportunity.
He doesn’t like Gus Gould which is a bonus.

I would be happy for the club to give Griffin a 1 to 2 year opportunity, working together with Dean Young. Personally, I feel Deano may learn more under Griffin than the dark side of Flanno and how he operates.
very nice post thanku
 

redv13

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The thing that strikes me about Anthony Griffin, is he seems an honest straight shooter. A future partnership with Dean Young maybe beneficial as they both share this same characteristic plus Dean has worked along side Griffin for Tonga.
At least Griffin enjoys a very healthy winning percentage and is not a bullshit spin artist.
He has the reputation of developing & giving youth the opportunity.
He doesn’t like Gus Gould which is a bonus.

I would be happy for the club to give Griffin a 1 to 2 year opportunity, working together with Dean Young. Personally, I feel Deano may learn more under Griffin than the dark side of Flanno and how he operates.
Bang on matey!! I like it. If Young is to take over in the future he needs an older experienced head minus the baggage from some...
 

Gareth67

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“ Gid eh fellas - hows life treating you ? Just thought I would drop in to say hello as I am sure that you must be missing me by now . I see that Deano followed my instructions to the letter on Friday night and got his first win . Should the candidates for my old job not work out you can always give me a call - yuk yuk “
 
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“ Gid eh fellas - hows life treating you ? Just thought I would drop in to say hello as I am sure that you must be missing me by now . I see that Deano followed my instructions to the letter on Friday night and got his first win . Should the candidates for my old job not work out you can always give me a call “
I Just Called To Say I love you ...... Xox
 

possm

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For those on here embracing and endorsing the nepotism at play in our club, I say you deserve what you get. Don't start complaining when it all turns to crap.

First the support for Price even though he was carp and then, the support for Mary and he was even worse. Now the support for a deal that smacks of nepotism.
 

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