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Dragons vs St Helens

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jeffdragon

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thebigredv said:
Really warn anyone from coming to any conclusions during trial season.
It's all a bit of experiment and fun.
Mind you, for mine, the season was already run and lost in the off season thanks to poor recruitment.

For a team like ours i'd say the more losses we get in pre season the better. Need to start the season proper under the radar to sneak some wins.

It looks like we might have some useful young blokes waiting in the wings but honestly, there's a huge difference being a young debutant in a team like the Panthers or Storm compared to a young bloke blooded in a team like the Dragons who are a confidence team devoid of skill.
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Watching panthers trial.
Commentator said doesn't matter who wears their jersey they are well coached throughout the grades.
A complete opposite to us.
 
mickeylane

mickeylane

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Eearly Days but here are some of my thoughts and ratings on players that I chose to rate..

Overall as a team - Good ball control for 70 min to be 19/20 sets completion..so early in the season. Attack as stagnate as 2022.


1. Stewart - not of 1st grade standard but had positive touches in attack
2. Mathew Feagai - reliable
3. Moses Suli - needs more early ball
4. Zac Lomax - same as above
5. Mikaele Ravalawa - your hearts in ur mouth w this guy
6. Connor Muhleisen - nothing to write home about
7. Moses Mbye - tried hard but that’s not good enough for a team that wants to make the 8
9. Jacob Liddle - promising .. quick tidy service better than what we had last year
10. Blake Lawrie - good defence
11. Ben Murdoch-Masila - takes longer run ups than Jeff Thompson not sure if he will make the 2nd rower Hook thinks.. could be good for 15 min each half
12. William Burns - waste of a roster position
 
justadragon

justadragon

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just got back from the game, it was a mistakeathon, some young guys really put in, hard to judge but st helens were crap to, the referee was a waste of time and gifted the poms at least 2 tries, ill reserve further judgement after the charity shield, hard to notice what our new coaches have done in a game like that, i remain forever hopeful
 
qld redvee

qld redvee

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how clunky were we in first half.. we had mbye and muhlheisen ? go into dummy half at times so there was no chance of much attack . and our usual game plan of 5 settlers and a ineffective kick on the last . It is amazing how seldom our forwards are in position to hit it up until about the 4th . I thought our defence was a bit better than last year but that will change when hook parachutes woods into the charity shield next week thought russell played decent , bmm can only improve and the prop tui losa ? showed he could be decent need bud in at 5/8 for some spark and variety. I dont know how club can make calls on trialists on the little game time they got this week so I hope they put some on development to see how they perform during the year I hope next week we show some attack and suli and lomax get clean ball to try and attack
 
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Saints Forever

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1. Treigh Stewart- Dufty 2
2. Mathew Feagai -Poor positioning in defence
3. Moses Suli- limited opportunities
4. Zac Lomax -average game
5. Mikaele Ravalawa- solid
6. Connor Muhleisen-unfair to judge a hooker playing as a 6
7. Moses Mbye-average, we can’t win games with him at 7
8. Francis Molo- DNP
9. Jacob Liddle-has some speed, service average
10. Blake Lawrie-solid
11. Ben Murdoch-Masila-should make the 17
12. William Burns-average
13. Jaiyden Hunt-below average

Interchange:
14. Tautau Moga- not a first grader
15. Max Feagai-limited opportunities
16. Michael Molo-DNP
17. Joshua Coric-limited opportunities
18. Nick Lui-Toso-would like to see him next week
19. Dan Russell- went ok, possibly in 22
20. Haele Finau-needs to bulk up
21. Sione Finau-would like to see him next week
22. Alex Lobb-needs another season or two
23. Savelio Tamale-very young, a couple of years off
24. Jackson Shereb- don’t recall him
25. Joshua Cook- same
26. Toby Couchman- tackling machine
27. Zac Herring-towering boot, should have played 6 for most of game
28. Dylan Egan- like the look of this dude
29. Ryan Couchman- another bright prospect
 
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saintnickle

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justadragon said:
just got back from the game, it was a mistakeathon, some young guys really put in, hard to judge but st helens were crap to, the referee was a waste of time and gifted the poms at least 2 tries, ill reserve further judgement after the charity shield, hard to notice what our new coaches have done in a game like that, i remain forever hopeful
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If it was a meaningful game Saint Helens would have put 50pts on the Dragons..
 
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redv13

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Geez. Calm down people. Let’s look at this objectively before reaching for the razor blades.
Players who didn’t play:
Hunt
Bird
De Belin
Sua
Sullivan
Sloan
F Molo
M Molo
Woods
Musgrove
Kerr
Fuimaono
Throw in Mbye at 7, Muhleisen at 6.
What were people expecting considering SH had 17 premiership players from last years GF playing tonight in their squad.

If anything let’s look at the positives:
Lawrie looked fit and was aggressive, looked hungry. BMM did some good things with the ball, Liddle looked fit and was dangerous out of dummy half on a few occasions, Mbye played well, Lui Toso had a bit of grunt and some of the young kids like the Couchman brothers looked good.
 
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steerlerbab

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I thought Treigh Stewart went well. According to nrl.com. he made 5 tackle busts and 136 metres. He made a try saving tackle that he got penalised (referee called it hip drop which got commentators bemused). I hope he is trialled in the wings too to see how he plays in the edges when Sloan is back.
Jacob liddle topped our tackle count and served well from dummy half.
What we missed is De belin, He is the ball playing forward that gets our other forwards moving.
Finally looks like 5/8 is our weak spot. So maybe Bird is our man while Junior is stood down.
 
Yow

Yow

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mickeylane said:
Eearly Days but here are some of my thoughts and ratings on players that I chose to rate..

Overall as a team - Good ball control for 70 min to be 19/20 sets completion..so early in the season. Attack as stagnate as 2022.


1. Stewart - not of 1st grade standard but had positive touches in attack
2. Mathew Feagai - reliable
3. Moses Suli - needs more early ball
4. Zac Lomax - same as above
5. Mikaele Ravalawa - your hearts in ur mouth w this guy
6. Connor Muhleisen - nothing to write home about
7. Moses Mbye - tried hard but that’s not good enough for a team that wants to make the 8
9. Jacob Liddle - promising .. quick tidy service better than what we had last year
10. Blake Lawrie - good defence
11. Ben Murdoch-Masila - takes longer run ups than Jeff Thompson not sure if he will make the 2nd rower Hook thinks.. could be good for 15 min each half
12. William Burns - waste of a roster position
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No wonder we lost only used 12 players
 
Yow

Yow

Juniors
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redv13 said:
Geez. Calm down people. Let’s look at this objectively before reaching for the razor blades.
Players who didn’t play:
Hunt
Bird
De Belin
Sua
Sullivan
Sloan
F Molo
M Molo
Woods
Musgrove
Kerr
Fuimaono
Throw in Mbye at 7, Muhleisen at 6.
What were people expecting considering SH had 17 premiership players from last years GF playing tonight in their squad.

If anything let’s look at the positives:
Lawrie looked fit and was aggressive, looked hungry. BMM did some good things with the ball, Liddle looked fit and was dangerous out of dummy half on a few occasions, Mbye played well, Lui Toso had a bit of grunt and some of the young kids like the Couchman brothers looked good.
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Be careful RedV13 you are making to much common sense for some. I thought a lot of our kids had a real dig.
 
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matPORTS

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My two cents worth...

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Stewart - potential but a long way off (comparisons to Dufty not far off)

Mat Feagai - clearly still needs to work on his deficiencies identified in 2022

Suli - limited opportunities, does look a fitter, should go good this season

Lomax - was slightly above average for mine, like him being on the left

Rava - solid, and needs some more time to dust off his cobwebs coming back from injury

Muhleisen - need to see him playing his natural position

Mbye - did we not have another young half who could have played? No kick pressure (cringing at the thought he may get the nod for the 6 jersey in the early rounds)

F Molo - DNP, why not ?

Liddle - seeing some potential with his speed, yet to convinced that he will be of any more value than Macca

Lawrie - solid and starting to step up as a forward leader now

Murdoch-Masila - was impressed with some of his touches, should make the 17, albeit full value still to be realised

Burns - below average (not convinced he is first grade worthy)

J Hunt - below average (not convinced he is first grade worthy)

Moga - this guy should not be holding back any juniors in the event of injury to the outside backs

Max Feagai - needs more opportunity

M Molo - DNP, why not?

Coric - need to see more of him

Lui-Toso - need to see more of him

Russell - went ok, need to see more

H Finau - potential

S Finau - potential, more ahead of his sibling

Lobb - going to need time to develop

Tamale - was impressed with what I saw of him, albeit it was against a tiring defence, time to develop

Shereb - not sure, career path could go either way

Cook - not sure, career path could go either way

T Couchman - this set of brothers are a good prospect

Herring - why did Mbye have so much more game time?

Egan - going to need more time to develop, but one of the better young forwards who got a go

R Couchman - this set of brothers are a good prospect

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All in all:

We have a host of regulars who will come back into the squad for the Charity Shield next week. Look forward to seeing who gets a second chance out of the young brigade in amongst our regulars as well.

But, the biggest negative for mine, when I watch the young Panthers run around yesterday, we are so far behind where we need to be in terms of young player development and churning them through the system.

Unless we nurture this crop of juniors vs continuing to use plodders week-in-week-out, we're never going to step up and become a team that regularly plays finals, into one that pushes for top four finishes and ultimately Grand Finals.

We aren't a 'destination club' who is going to attract big name talent (even for a truckload of money) - so we are left now to identify talent from within. The work on this seriously has to start happening this year. I get it, most of them aren't ready for first grade right now, but they also need the confidence from the head coach, support staff, and club management that their is a pathway for them to first grade at this club.
 
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hook hook

Juniors
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redv13 said:
Geez. Calm down people. Let’s look at this objectively before reaching for the razor blades.
Players who didn’t play:
Hunt
Bird
De Belin
Sua
Sullivan
Sloan
F Molo
M Molo
Woods
Musgrove
Kerr
Fuimaono
Throw in Mbye at 7, Muhleisen at 6.
What were people expecting considering SH had 17 premiership players from last years GF playing tonight in their squad.

If anything let’s look at the positives:
Lawrie looked fit and was aggressive, looked hungry. BMM did some good things with the ball, Liddle looked fit and was dangerous out of dummy half on a few occasions, Mbye played well, Lui Toso had a bit of grunt and some of the young kids like the Couchman brothers looked good.
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Now let’s look at that list who were out and are actually a downgrade from some of the kids playing

woods
Musgrove
Fuimaona
F Molo
Kerr
 
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SaintPeter

Juniors
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Considering the team ran out from the start without a half back and a five eight I thought they did well and gave a positive showing.
How we are in a position to not have one or two reasonable to excellent quality back up halfbacks and five eights at the club is beyond me.
I know Moses went OK as did the kid who played five eight but seriously to win rugby league games you need on field generals (the half and five eight), organizing, taking charge and directing traffic.
Liked the Couchman brothers and Dan Russell.
 
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