Dugan/Widdop/Marshall/Farrah Spine??

[since77]

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...

 

[BennyV]

Old Timer, you seem to be tripping over your own argument. First you state Farahs winning percentage as if Rugby League is an individual sport where a single player can make a difference to the winning outcome...

Have trouble understanding the current fascination around RF
Farrah's record
SOO Career wins 39%.
Last 4 years at club level wins 42%.

You then immediately negate that point by saying he plays in a poor team and atill looks good (although I don't know how his opposition is any different to our opposition) and try to claim that he is no good at elite level (when he had clearly shown that he shines at Origin level).

He looks ok amongst the rabble he plays with in club games and against weaker club sides but at the elite level of club games which is what you have to beat to win a comp no stats to show he makes the difference.

Then despite earlier quoting individual winning statistics, you admit that they mean nothing since 1 player cannot do it all...

The idea that 1 player can turn our fortunes around staggers me.
It appears that from the arguments put forward that some believe we have a superior team that underperformed all most exclusively due to Rein and Farrah will magically fix that.

Then in the height of backtracking, the Crème de la Hypocrit, you say that we need is a few good players in key positions...(y'know, loke the current state of origin hooker to play an essential part of our currently imbalanced spine!!)...

Face reality we do not have a superior team that can be fixed by 1 player we have a a bit better than average team that needs some serious input from the coaching staff, a proper game plan, a captain that plays the entire game and a few good players in key positions and then we might compete for an entire season and finish top 4.

Make up your mind sir!!!

 

[itsme]

old timer, you seem to be tripping over your own argument. First you state farahs winning percentage as if rugby league is an individual sport where a single player can make a difference to the winning outcome...



You then immediately negate that point by saying he plays in a poor team and atill looks good (although i don't know how his opposition is any different to our opposition) and try to claim that he is no good at elite level (when he had clearly shown that he shines at origin level).



Then despite earlier quoting individual winning statistics, you admit that they mean nothing since 1 player cannot do it all...



Then in the height of backtracking, the crème de la hypocrit, you say that we need is a few good players in key positions...(y'know, loke the current state of origin hooker to play an essential part of our currently imbalanced spine!!)...



Make up your mind sir!!!

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[itsme]

Farah has been part of two coaches getting the sack at the Tigers. If he stays he will help lead a third to the door. No thanks. When did the Tigers win bwith him in the team .....10 years ago. Maybe it says more about the team than him but one player will never be the messiah.....hang on, there is Souths and Burgess.

There has been a large number of administrators (ceo's, board members), coaching staff and good players who have been shown the door or given the tap on the shoulder. I guess this is all Robbies fault too?

The club is a shambles.....full stop. Might as well make someone the fall guy.

 

[Vasilevsky]

There is but one messiah and his name is Bennett. Agree with all you say right here.

So f**k off to the Broncos forum then!

Bennett isn't a 'messiah'. He is who was actively plotting against the long-term success of the team while he was still the coach! I mean, FFS if he thought Fien, Hornby, Young and Cooper were still good enough to sign on for long-term deals, why didn't he take them to Newcastle even when they were struggling badly and the Dragons were pushing those players into retirement while still under contract?

 

[denis preston]

So f**k off to the Broncos forum then!

Bennett isn't a 'messiah'. He is who was actively plotting against the long-term success of the team while he was still the coach! I mean, FFS if he thought Fien, Hornby, Young and Cooper were still good enough to sign on for long-term deals, why didn't he take them to Newcastle even when they were struggling badly and the Dragons were pushing those players into retirement while still under contract?

Mind you Vas , our management surely is responsible for the resignings not Bennett as he was a coach known for retiring players one year too early rather than too late. Mind you generally , long term contracts are a thing of the past and contracts are not what they seem to be.

 

[Vasilevsky]

Mind you Vas , our management surely is responsible for the resignings not Bennett as he was a coach known for retiring players one year too early rather than too late. Mind you generally , long term contracts are a thing of the past and contracts are not what they seem to be.

That a very good point which only further illuminates the point I was making. At Brisbane he is/was known for retiring players one year too early rather than one year too late. At St George and Newcastle he should be known as the coach who retires players 2 or 3 years too late. But of course only when he knows he won't be around to take the fall for it.

 

[Old Timer]

QUOTE=BennyV;11201600;41884]Old Timer, you seem to be tripping over your own argument. First you state Farahs winning percentage as if Rugby League is an individual sport where a single player can make a difference to the winning outcome...
Incorrect assumption on your part. Others on this forum believe RF can individually make the differecne for St G (NMO). That being the case I woul dtherefore assume that his stas would show what difference he does make at various levels. I supplied the stats and believe that they speak for themselves and show individualy he makes little difference.


You then immediately negate that point by saying he plays in a poor team and atill looks good (although I don't know how his opposition is any different to our opposition) and try to claim that he is no good at elite level (when he had clearly shown that he shines at Origin level).

I am merley pointing out that within any team an individual can look good and the lower the level of skill around him the better that indiviual may look. Looking good in ordinary company does not by itself mean that you are necessarily "that good"

Then despite earlier quoting individual winning statistics, you admit that they mean nothing since 1 player cannot do it all...

You are misinterpreting the argumemnet. I am pushing back on the idea that 1 player can make the difference. If indiviudal stats are printed for players then it is only fair that those who wish to defend the player analyse the stats in relation to the arguement being presented. If people believe RF will make the indiviual point of difference then show me where it is eveident that his indiviual presence has lifted the team he plays for to greater heights and better results. Some will then say well ST GI have a better roster than WT therefore he will achive more than he did at WT please revert to the SOO stats where he is supposedly in elite company


Then in the height of backtracking, the Crème de la Hypocrit, you say that we need is a few good players in key positions...(y'know, loke the current state of origin hooker to play an essential part of our currently imbalanced spine!!)...
Being the curreent SOO hooker is in no way a ringing endoresement.
MP is the current SOO half do you want him as well? WH current SOO player do you want him? The SOO team selection process is actually a disgrace, same old faces, perennial losers and whilst putting in solid effort almost always come up short. We go the next series thinking it will be different believe all the hype but same result. We are the Red Cadeaux of the SOO world always running a good second but never the winner. Like Red Cadeaux many of them need to be pensioned off because there best work is some time ago

Make up your mind sir!!![/QUOTE]
I have an open mind and try to present logical arguement and it will always be difficult to get people welded onto indiviudal players to see an alternate position.

 

[Vasilevsky]

Lurker, same guy who as far as I know broke the story about Mullholand leaving a few weeks before it was announced, is still talking about Farah to the Dragons. Just trying to squeeze as much of his salary as possible out of our enemies. If it comes to fruition, I wonder what will become of Mitch Rein? I think GC or UK. Maybe Newcastle. I guess if GC see a video of the game late in the season where they beat us, there is no way they will go anywhere near Mitch Rein. It seemed an overall majority of his dummy passes were not finding the first receiver within catching on the full range.

 

[Lethal25]

Robbie Farah, a guy who despises losing. Sounds positive to me, bring him in.

If you keep doing what you've done previously you'll get the same results! I like Mitch Rein but I'm ready to watch him walk if that's what goes down. Farah will be a significant upgrade

 

[Get2dachopper!]

Farah + Walker= top 4 Minimum.

 

[TruSaint]

Lurker, same guy who as far as I know broke the story about Mullholand leaving a few weeks before it was announced, is still talking about Farah to the Dragons. Just trying to squeeze as much of his salary as possible out of our enemies. If it comes to fruition, I wonder what will become of Mitch Rein? I think GC or UK. Maybe Newcastle. I guess if GC see a video of the game late in the season where they beat us, there is no way they will go anywhere near Mitch Rein. It seemed an overall majority of his dummy passes were not finding the first receiver within catching on the full range.

Sorry..wrong post

 

[Old Timer]

Robbie Farah, a guy who despises losing. Sounds positive to me, bring him in.

If you keep doing what you've done previously you'll get the same results! I like Mitch Rein but I'm ready to watch him walk if that's what goes down. Farah will be a significant upgrade

The constant in the equation is the coaching and the game plan.
No matter what player you bring in if the these basic elements are not correct then it all turns to poop.
At presenet the lack of structure in our coaching, game plan and leadership is a haven for individualists.
We already have 2 strong individualists in JD & BJ and now we bring in RF so somehow we need 3 of them?
How much further do we want to alientae GW because that will be the ultimate end result.
He is not gpoing to hang around playind second fiddle to older players who are at the back end of their careers.

 

[Vasilevsky]

Sorry..wrong post

It's ok, you are forgiven.

 

[TruSaint]

It's ok, you are forgiven.

Was gonna mention that the KNights have ruled out Farah..

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9049340

 

[Vasilevsky]

The constant in the equation is the coaching and the game plan.
No matter what player you bring in if the these basic elements are not correct then it all turns to poop.
At presenet the lack of structure in our coaching, game plan and leadership is a haven for individualists.
We already have 2 strong individualists in JD & BJ and now we bring in RF so somehow we need 3 of them?
How much further do we want to alientae GW because that will be the ultimate end result.
He is not gpoing to hang around playind second fiddle to older players who are at the back end of their careers.

Your thoughts are so muddled as to not make any sense at all most of the time. How and why would the club signing a top class hooker alienate Widdop?

 

[Vasilevsky]

Was gonna mention that the KNights have ruled out Farah..

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9049340

Ok but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in Rein if the Dragons are picking up a significant amount of his salary.

 

[BennyV]

The constant in the equation is the coaching and the game plan.
No matter what player you bring in if the these basic elements are not correct then it all turns to poop.
At presenet the lack of structure in our coaching, game plan and leadership is a haven for individualists.
We already have 2 strong individualists in JD & BJ and now we bring in RF so somehow we need 3 of them?
How much further do we want to alientae GW because that will be the ultimate end result.
He is not gpoing to hang around playind second fiddle to older players who are at the back end of their careers.

So now signing Farah would be alienating Widdop? That's a bit of a stretch...

 

[Old Timer]

Your thoughts are so muddled as to not make any sense at all most of the time. How and why would the club signing a top class hooker alienate Widdop?

Cant help your inability to understand the bleeding obvious.
Whiddop left Melbourne to be in his own words a leader at St GI.
For a while that was so and along comes BM who then wants to run the team and the plays. This is a commonly held view across many of the forums. Outcome dissconnect in the halves.
Whiddop also inherits JD a great player but also an indiviudal and at times complete hog of the ball.
Now people want Farrah to come and bring his style to the club.
We purchased Whiddop to do a job and the others ended up here by default. Not saying we dont want them just saying they were not purchased for the same reason as Whiddop.
Let Whiddop do what he was brought to do and stop giving him individualists who will want to take control of the game.
Farrah wouldn't be coming here to play second fiddle to anyone.

 

[Saints Forever]

Cant help your inability to understand the bleeding obvious.
Whiddop left Melbourne to be in his own words a leader at St GI.
For a while that was so and along comes BM who then wants to run the team and the plays. This is a commonly held view across many of the forums. Outcome dissconnect in the halves.
Whiddop also inherits JD a great player but also an indiviudal and at times complete hog of the ball.
Now people want Farrah to come and bring his style to the club.
We purchased Whiddop to do a job and the others ended up here by default. Not saying we dont want them just saying they were not purchased for the same reason as Whiddop.
Let Whiddop do what he was brought to do and stop giving him individualists who will want to take control of the game.
Farrah wouldn't be coming here to play second fiddle to anyone.

Gotta say Mary and the coaching staff are to blame here.

Mary determines the game plan. In years gone by the game plan was give the ball to Gasnier. Now it is give the ball to Benji.

On paper we have 4 very good players in the spine.

On game day we were predictable in the opposition quarter.

Very few decoy runs, too much crabbing across field, players passing well before the defensive line, attacking players failing to run good lines, standard of dummy half service equivalent to under 6's