Dylan Brown - charged sexual touching

[the phantom menace]

Do you want them walking down the street wearing high heeled shoes and a bikini? And if you say hello to them they sneer at you like you are dirt and if you touch them you go to jail?

I'm not sure where you pulled that second sentence from - why should I or anyone be allowed to touch someone (wearing bikinis and high heels no less) who doesn't consent?

 

[the phantom menace]

Do you think the whole bible is the words of Jesus?

No. But I'd suggest the only bits that count are - isn't that why the words of Christ are printed in red? The words of Timothy... who is he in the scheme of things again?

 

[Pumpkin]

But my question was who is Timothy in the scheme of things, if he wasn't one of the 12 apostles. Did he even meet JC? Why should his (translated) words matter to a young lady who should be able to attend The Sheaf wearing whatever she wants - for whatever reasons she has for wearing them - but without being sexually touched without consent?

Timothy is a bible writer inspired by the holy spirit.

 

[Pumpkin]

But my question was who is Timothy in the scheme of things, if he wasn't one of the 12 apostles. Did he even meet JC? Why should his (translated) words matter to a young lady who should be able to attend The Sheaf wearing whatever she wants - for whatever reasons she has for wearing them - but without being sexually touched without consent?

Timothy is a bible writer inspired by the holy spirit.

 

[the phantom menace]

Right... pretty non-specific.

But by my own research, it seems Timothy was a follower of/mentored by Apostle Paul (which would have been a much better answer to who he was in the scheme of things).

I'm pretty sure the lady at The Sheaf wasn't wearing a bikini and high heels... And Timothy's (ancient, translated) words still don't support in the modern world why a woman can't go out without risk of being sexually touched without consent.

 

[Pumpkin]

Yes and I've said numerous times that he has done something wrong. I've balanced that with spiritual knowledge, and that God would not be condemning him. God says in the scriptures that the law of the land has to be obeyed and he has violated that, so there will be some punishment. But over the top of that, he has touched a woman's boobs under the influence of alcohol. Big deal. Is that the end of the world? Have you seen what's happening on the news in Ukraine?

 

[Pumpkin]

Right... pretty non-specific.

But by my own research, it seems Timothy was a follower of/mentored by Apostle Paul (which would have been a much better answer to who he was in the scheme of things).

I'm pretty sure the lady at The Sheaf wasn't wearing a bikini and high heels... And Timothy's (ancient, translated) words still don't support in the modern world why a woman can't go out without risk of being sexually touched without consent.

BTW the apostle Paul was not one of the 12 apostles. There were people preaching at the time of Jesus who the apostles objected to but Jesus rebuked them, saying whoever is not against us is for us.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm not sure where you pulled that second sentence from - why should I or anyone be allowed to touch someone (wearing bikinis and high heels no less) who doesn't consent?

Or talk to them, or even look at them? I should have to consent to anything that impacts any of my senses because they might cause me harm.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And Timothy's (ancient, translated) words still don't support in the modern world why a woman can't go out without risk of being sexually touched without consent.

Because there's impulsive people out there who make poor decisions. That's why. The law didn't protect her at all. No more than prosecuting a murderer brings their victims back from the dead.

 

[T-Boon]

Let’s hope the kid pulls his head in. Surely he’d be on very thin ice at the eels. Otherwise his career could very easily parallel that of Hayne’s. Could have, should have, would have, but didn’t.

No. I think you are talking about Nathan Hindmarsh's career there.

 

[lucablight]

Timothy is a bible writer inspired by the holy spirit.

So this mysterious Timothy again, bigging up his own scripture/gospel as somehow being just as valuable as the actual words of JC when he had (previously, assuming the chronologies) walked the earth?

It’s supposed to be a letter written by the Apostle Paul.
Funnily enough most critical scholars see it was a pseudepigraphal so this alleged piece of holy scripture is actually a forgery written by someone pretending to be Paul.

 

[hineyrulz]

Say that to him on judgement day. Good luck.

One of my fav movies

 

[Bandwagon]

Say that to him on judgement day. Good luck.

There is no judgement day

Your skyman exists only in the minds of man.

Like all skymen.

 

[Cloeel]

Actually what protects Western women is the feminisation of Western men. Testosterone levels are in heavy decline and so few men are threatening these days that women feel safe enough to display their secondary sexual characteristics. In Egypt/India/etc, very few men have undergone the same level of feminisation, so their libidos are high and sexual harassment is rampant. These ancient religious/legal codes all say that sex outside of marriage is wrong (which includes raping strangers) so that isn't the cause. The fact is humans are animals and respond to animal urges. The reason men get less aggressive as they age is because their testosterone levels drop away. For the same reason, young men with less testosterone are less aggressive than young men with more. I'm sure NRL players would have far more testosterone than the average man. They are outliers.

I disagree.


Its men who are unable to to process emotion. Of course as men we feel emotion, however society says men should express it and not internalise it. Men are brought up in a Gynocentric society where there is minimal accountability when when growing up (especially in single mother homes) and lack of strong father figures.

The issues is not testosterone , the issue is men brought up without having to be held accountable for their actions as a by product of their emotions. It is no coincidence that the majority of incarcerated men came from single mother households.

The whole reducing Testosterone will make women safe rhetoric is garbage. Men and women are completely different in how we process emotion, as soon as society stops trying to treat men and women the same way we will continue to produce feminized men who have no acccountability. Men who cannot control there emotions are dangerous men. Look at the majority of school shooters as an example.

 

[T-Boon]

Why should what a woman is wearing impact how someone interacts with them?

Because what we wear is significant. It’s a signal. It is communication. I definitely, rightly, use to assume girls out in skimpy outfits were interested in being approached and have drinks bought.

 

[T-Boon]

If my wife went out dressed how girls out on the town I would let her obviously but also assume the relationship is basically over.

 

[Pneuma]

If my wife went out dressed how girls out on the town I would let her obviously but also assume the relationship is basically over.

‘I would let her’? Does she need your permission to do, well, anything?

 

[the phantom menace]

BTW the apostle Paul was not one of the 12 apostles. There were people preaching at the time of Jesus who the apostles objected to but Jesus rebuked them, saying whoever is not against us is for us.

Thanks for that - I might have been confusing Paul the mentor of Timothy with (Saint) Paul, or mixing up my apostles with disciples?

Happy to defer to your more thorough knowledge of the book rather than my admittedly scant knowledge of it.

 

[the phantom menace]

Yes and I've said numerous times that he has done something wrong. I've balanced that with spiritual knowledge, and that God would not be condemning him. God says in the scriptures that the law of the land has to be obeyed and he has violated that, so there will be some punishment.

Fair enough. Gods aside, I think he erred but should be forgiven too, as the court has delivered the sentence they see fit - it's non-custodial and I don't believe there's a case for the NRL to make him miss any more games (perhaps a fine though).

But over the top of that, he has touched a woman's boobs under the influence of alcohol. Big deal. Is that the end of the world? Have you seen what's happening on the news in Ukraine?

Well, it's not the end of the world, but that doesn't make it right. Or make it so that the crime should be diminished - that's what we have courts for, and they've handed down their finding and penalty, which Brown is not disputing.

 

[the phantom menace]

Or talk to them, or even look at them? I should have to consent to anything that impacts any of my senses because they might cause me harm.

You're seriously equating (sexually) touching someone without consent to talking to or looking at someone...?

Rightio then.