Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract

[strider]

I think Norman and Sandow could prove to be an effective halves pair if they get to play behind a strong pack next year.

shall we sell them to the bunnies then?

 

[Chipmunk]

I think Norman and Sandow could prove to be an effective halves pair if they get to play behind a strong pack next year.

Well for all concerned we can only hope, otherwise it could end it tears for someone.

 

[EelsFan05]

not necessarily ... you get to see more of what the director wants you to see ... you don't get to see what's happening off the ball - what players are in/out of position, who's putting in effort or loafing, etc etc

You also miss a lot of the player, trainer, coach (especially with Stuart on the sideline) and opposition interaction and reaction.

 

[Gary Gutful]

You also miss a lot of the player, trainer, coach (especially with Stuart on the sideline) and opposition interaction and reaction.

Plus they don't show the half time sprint, conversion challenge or junior match which is also crucial.

 

[EelsFan05]

Plus they don't show the half time sprint, conversion challenge or junior match which is also crucial.

Or the oversized inflatable ball with person inside race.

 

[Suitman]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to do Suity. Never mind that I'm of the opinion that you get a completely different perception of a game from being at the field then watching on the tele. But I suppose that might be a bit to simplistic.

That's fine, but you can't just dismiss Pou's opinion because he doesn't go to games. He'd attend just as many games a year (0 or 1) as many of our other forumer's here. Is their opinion as equally invalid?


Suity

 

[EelsFan05]

That's fine, but you can't just dismiss Pou's opinion because he doesn't go to games. He'd attend just as many games a year (0 or 1) as many of our other forumer's here. Is their opinion as equally invalid?


Suity

I dont dismiss Pou's opinions I just dont agree with him, especially his stance of Sandow and Kearney. He is one the better blokes on the forum to have a disagreement with cause he doesn't budge from his opinion. Doesn't mean he cant be a merkin at times though and I'm sure he would say that same about me.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bennett made them comments without ever really coaching Samdow. Everyone makes mistake even you and Bennett. Why is it that another young halfback with less experience then Sandow has leap frogged him into the QLD origin sqaud?

Take your pick mate - he's in a better team, he's bigger and therefore more versatile, he played reserve grade for two years and so was able to develop his game for longer. There's plenty of reasons, but playing in a better team is the big one. Every week other halfbacks get more opportunity than Sandow, who only had a couple of chances last night and came up with a linebreak and a LBA.

Tim Smith was a good halfback until he suffered with personal issues that affected his football.

The fact the Sandow has been dropped from a team that is on its way to winning its second straight wooden spoon is enough evidence for me. If he was any good he'd be an automatic pick week in week out.

It proves he's definitely got some stuff to work on, just like all young players.

However conditioning and play are always a subject of debate. But anyhow continue on with you arguments. Apparently you are more informed then blokes that are on 800k coaching contracts. It's a wonder you haven't got a gig yet.

You mean all the coaches who kept selecting Sandow all the way to first grade, kept offering him fulltime playing contracts and picked him in the emerging Maroons and the Indigenous Dream Team?

If Sticky dropped Sandow to get rid of him then he would have been mentioned as one of the Dirty Dozen. Sticky dropped Sandow for the same reason Kearney did, and Kearney was the one who signed him. Just because you drop a bloke doesn't mean you don't rate him.

Pritchard and Loko were both dropped this year as well. Does that mean they're not part of our future?

 

[Satsok]

Guys, I've been reading this thread for the last 4 or 5 pages. I haven't come in here to gloat or anything like that, I actually feel sorry for Parramatta at the moment because truth be told it's how Souths have been for about the last 400 years.

I have a good friend who is a staunch Parra fan and I console him every week, basically telling him that the only way is up, there are positive signs but you just have to look for them.

You can't all just sit here bagging out Sandow, when he has the go forward and some confidence in him by the coaching staff to play however he wants, then there isn't many halves better than him on his day. Simple fact of the matter is that he is playing behind a struggling pack who are consistently failing to bend the line. Mannah busts his hump every week and so does Fui, but other than that the rest are just plodders.

Sandow also doesn't have someone in the halves who is dominant to be the sane one in the partnership, to pull him into line and help him with structure. The most important thing you guys need to realise is how can a midget carry 16 other blokes?

You guys aren't too far off, it's stupid little mistakes that cost you dearly, like pushing miracle passes inside your 20 on the 2nd-3rd tackle.. What for? Get into the grind and play it out, too often when Parra get 6-12 points down they panic and start pushing passes and the mistakes flow and that 6-12 point start turns into 18-24 point start and it's all she wrote.

I tell my Parra mate all the time, there are many similarities with Parra and (Souths) hang on to the young blokes like Tanginoa, Terepo, Loko, Williame etc. and develop them (Sutton, Merritt, Farrell, Champion, Tyrell, Peats, Luke etc.) Mix them in with a couple of older players like Fui, Reni etc. (Geddes, Stuart, Cusack etc.) and then every year try and get a marquee signing, Norman, the pommy forwards, Hoppa (G.I., Sam Burgess, Asotasi) and give the young guys time to develop and it will come good. Just have to keep the faith and everything ends up turning around.

Not all Souths fans are loud mouths, I hope it all turns around soon. I think next year you guys will probably be around the edge of the 8, just have to keep building.

 

[Avenger]

Cheers Satsok, I sincerely hope you are right.

 

[Forty20]

Guys, I've been reading this thread for the last 4 or 5 pages. I haven't come in here to gloat or anything like that, I actually feel sorry for Parramatta at the moment because truth be told it's how Souths have been for about the last 400 years.

I have a good friend who is a staunch Parra fan and I console him every week, basically telling him that the only way is up, there are positive signs but you just have to look for them.

You can't all just sit here bagging out Sandow, when he has the go forward and some confidence in him by the coaching staff to play however he wants, then there isn't many halves better than him on his day. Simple fact of the matter is that he is playing behind a struggling pack who are consistently failing to bend the line. Mannah busts his hump every week and so does Fui, but other than that the rest are just plodders.

Sandow also doesn't have someone in the halves who is dominant to be the sane one in the partnership, to pull him into line and help him with structure. The most important thing you guys need to realise is how can a midget carry 16 other blokes?

You guys aren't too far off, it's stupid little mistakes that cost you dearly, like pushing miracle passes inside your 20 on the 2nd-3rd tackle.. What for? Get into the grind and play it out, too often when Parra get 6-12 points down they panic and start pushing passes and the mistakes flow and that 6-12 point start turns into 18-24 point start and it's all she wrote.

I tell my Parra mate all the time, there are many similarities with Parra and (Souths) hang on to the young blokes like Tanginoa, Terepo, Loko, Williame etc. and develop them (Sutton, Merritt, Farrell, Champion, Tyrell, Peats, Luke etc.) Mix them in with a couple of older players like Fui, Reni etc. (Geddes, Stuart, Cusack etc.) and then every year try and get a marquee signing, Norman, the pommy forwards, Hoppa (G.I., Sam Burgess, Asotasi) and give the young guys time to develop and it will come good. Just have to keep the faith and everything ends up turning around.

Not all Souths fans are loud mouths, I hope it all turns around soon. I think next year you guys will probably be around the edge of the 8, just have to keep building.

That is a damn decent post mate, thanks for taking the time to drop by in our forum.

 

[EelsFan05]

That is a damn decent post mate, thanks for taking the time to drop by in our forum.

Absolutely and nice to get an outsiders perspective. If there is anyone that can sympathise with our position it is a Souths supporter.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Of course you can see good organisation just as much as you can see a disorganised team I.e. us.

What a coincidence that teams look disorganised when they lose the ruck. Could it be because, with the defence in their faces, they have less time to run their plays?

How did you come to the conclusion that Kearney was a good coach if you can't see coaching? This is one if your best theories Pou.

Actually I'm pretty sure I said he's the best coach of all time. :roll:

I never said Kearney was a good coach; I just said it was too early to judge. I've given plenty of examples of Stuart and Hagan's results in their first 42 games. Sticky's first 42 games saw him win over 60%, whereas in his last 42 he's won less games than Kearney.

Ouch. :lol:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

:lol::lol::lol:

Owned.

See above :lol:

 

[Avenger]

What a coincidence that teams look disorganised when they lose the ruck. Could it be because, with the defence in their faces, they have less time to run their plays?



Actually I'm pretty sure I said he's the best coach of all time. :roll:

I never said Kearney was a good coach; I just said it was too early to judge. I've given plenty of examples of Stuart and Hagan's results in their first 42 games. Sticky's first 42 games saw him win over 60%, whereas in his last 42 he's won less games than Kearney.

Ouch. :lol:

You always use obscure stats to try and win an argument yet you can't admit that Brian Smith in his entire career is a better coach than Michael Hagan.

Tool.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That's fine, but you can't just dismiss Pou's opinion because he doesn't go to games. He'd attend just as many games a year (0 or 1) as many of our other forumer's here. Is their opinion as equally invalid?


Suity

Also, up until 2006 I went to just about every Eels game in NSW and Canberra.

I reckon I learn more watching on TV, which isn't to say there aren't some things you miss watching on TV.

But there's a reason the game gets such massive TV audiences and such relatively poor crowds. In a lot of ways it's better on TV.

That said, I will be in Sydney for the weekend of the next Manly game and I will be attending, because I do miss the atmosphere, even when we lose.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You always use obscure stats to try and win an argument yet you can't admit that Brian Smith in his entire career is a better coach than Michael Hagan.

Tool.

I have said before that Brian Smith is possibly the greatest tactical and development coach of all time. I've never said that about Michael Hagan.

However I recently posted that Hagan has won a premiership - a simple statement of fact and you pissed your knickers.

Get over it.

 

[Ratchy]

Colonel,

Don't you think that Hodkinson would be a better fit for Norman than Sandow?

No Hodkinson is average at best. He barely takes the line at all and normally just takes 1 step and passes. That doesn't cut the mustard in first grade.

Way too much man love and over exaggeration of juniors or former juniors in this place.

 

[The Colonel]

TV is effective. That's why every club have video sessions after ges and go through what happens during a game.

 

[boxhead]

Sandow is not the problem. In reality, it is no single player that is the problem. The team has no heart or minds it seems, they give up and make stupid mistakes far too often. That they slack off in defence all the time is just the nail in the coffin. Realistically though, our backs can't do anything if our forwards aren't doing well. To put it simply, the forwards just aren't good enough.