Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract

[Twizzle]

rather a half back than a merkin

 

[Avenger]

Pou, You are a f**kwit to the extreme. I and many others can see if a halfback has organizational ability by the way he organizes the attack, his outside runners, repeat sets, strategic kicking. According to you it's impossible to see and assess. What do you think coaches just pick random halfbacks and look for a sign from the rugby league gods?

f**kwit.

 

[Chipmunk]

Does that mean we should f**k him off?

I doubt any player will ever be able to dominate the comp like that again. Hayne is still a standout as the best player in the club, by a long long way. Where as at the moment it is actually debatable whether Sandow is even the best option as the 7 in the team.

So no, not a chance.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They had the best pack in the comp and some excellent backs as well. In 09, 10 and 11 the thing they were missing was organisation.

No, their defence was shit. If they were lacking organisation why did they score so many points?

And if you can score so many points without organisation then why do you even need organising? The aim of the game (in attack) is to score points. If you manage that then it doesn't matter how organised you are.

It was the reason why they looked so good but never made the finals. Enter a great coach and a good halfback and they're top 4 two years straight.

Great coach? What has he ever achieved? Good halfback? He was a rookie who would just catch-pass to Sutton and Inglis.

And that's not to mention Sandow's defence cost them a whole lot of tries as well.

Well mate you should mention it because it's his only genuine flaw.

I didn't say flashes of brilliance don't make a career, I said they don't make a good halfback. And Sandow is not a good halfback.

He's not a good halfback in a shit team, but who is? In a strong team he is a phenomenal halfback. That's why he was picked in the emerging Maroons.

And Roberts being the best one available :lol: he was a reserve grader in 2011 and hasn't improved since.

He finished 2011 in first grade, but I agree he was in reserve grade when signed. That would have made him cheap, and given his proven ability it made him worth the risk.

Some risks pay off (e.g Carney in 2010) and some don't (e.g. Roberts, Tonga, Poore, Shackleton, Tahu).

Sandow might have been the best half available (arguably) but that doesn't mean he was worth that much money.

I reckon he was. Especially with the salary cap going up. Sandow's only on about half of what the top playmakers in the game are getting.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Sandow will never win a comp.

Mark my words.

You could say that about anyone who finishes his career at Parra.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pou, You are a f**kwit to the extreme.

Well mate, that's just your opinion.

I and many others can see if a halfback has organizational ability by the way he organizes the attack, his outside runners, repeat sets, strategic kicking.

Right, so Sandow could organise behind Souths' strong pack but behind our beaten pack he can't?

Must be Sandow's fault.

According to you it's impossible to see and assess. What do you think coaches just pick random halfbacks and look for a sign from the rugby league gods?

So how did he make it into first grade if he can't organise? How did he keep getting picked by various coaches? For a bloke his size, if he couldn't play there's no way he would have made it to 100 games in the NRL.

That's just the thing mate, coaches do know, and their aggregated opinion is what has allowed him to stay in the NRL. Even if he gets dropped for discipline issues every now and then.

f**kwit.

:lol:

 

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Re: Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract
Sandow will never win a comp.

Mark my words.
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[Western_Eel]

I think if Kelly goes alright sandow might get added to the 12

 

[Springs]

They can't afford to let Sandow go as his payout would be enormous, plus no one would want him.

 

[spartan2153]

sandow is yet to lead a team to the semis

hence why kearney over paid

 

[Springs]

No, their defence was shit. If they were lacking organisation why did they score so many points?

And if you can score so many points without organisation then why do you even need organising? The aim of the game (in attack) is to score points. If you manage that then it doesn't matter how organised you are.



Great coach? What has he ever achieved? Good halfback? He was a rookie who would just catch-pass to Sutton and Inglis.



Well mate you should mention it because it's his only genuine flaw.



He's not a good halfback in a shit team, but who is? In a strong team he is a phenomenal halfback. That's why he was picked in the emerging Maroons.



He finished 2011 in first grade, but I agree he was in reserve grade when signed. That would have made him cheap, and given his proven ability it made him worth the risk.

Some risks pay off (e.g Carney in 2010) and some don't (e.g. Roberts, Tonga, Poore, Shackleton, Tahu).



I reckon he was. Especially with the salary cap going up. Sandow's only on about half of what the top playmakers in the game are getting.

:roll: yeah their defence was shit. AND they had no organisation. A poor coach and a poor halfback.

Great coach? Yeah, he won an ESL title in his first year. He won a Challenge Cup the next year. He took an underachieving Souths team with shit defence who had just lost their 'star halfback' lol and took them to top 4 and now to first.
So if Reynolds just catches and passes to those two then that's what Sandow did right?+ the shit defence? But hang on a sec Pou, how could Reynolds catch and pass to Sutton when they play on opposite sides of the field? Sutton couldn't have been on his side because five-eighths don't do that anymore!!:crazy:

But who is? So halves aren't good or bad, it's just the team around them? God you're thick Pou.
He wasn't a phenomenal half. He was an ok half in a good team that could never make the finals. Then he left and they made the top 4 :lol:

By the way, you should go back and look at Souths' scores during that period. They weren't scoring 30 points a match. They would be average and then turn out 40 or 50 against bottom teams. Not only that but they would get flogged in several games.

And another thing, you act like Souths were better when Sandow was there. Judging by how you think there's nothing special about Maguire or Reynolds.
South Sydney's attack not only did not rely on Sandow, but their defence has been better off without him.

 

[EelsFan05]

sandow is yet to lead a team to the semis

hence why kearney over paid

Standby for Pou's cut and paste answer. Bad forwards, rookie of the year, emerging maroons squad, Souths scored most points, can't see organisational skills on the field, getting dropped is a good thing etc...

 

[strider]

No I said it would have done some good. Unfortunately fan and media pressure got Sandow back into first grade before he could benefit from it.

ffs mate - would you get off kearney's back .... you constantly call him totally spineless ... he's gone mate - get over it!

 

[Eelementary]

Sandow may or may not be the answer, and he may or may not suck, but at this stage, it's all trivial - he is stuck behind the worst forward pack on the face of the planet.

 

[strider]

I think you can have a halfback like Sandow, if and only if you have a Darren Lockyer outside him.

Still a shit defender but.

lockyer wouldn't be outside him - he'd be other side of the field ... pou can fill you in :thumn

 

[Poupou Escobar]

sandow is yet to lead a team to the semis

hence why kearney over paid

If he wasn't good enough to lead a team to the semis then nobody would have wanted him. He would have been pretty cheap.

 

[EelsFan05]

:roll: yeah their defence was shit. AND they had no organisation. A poor coach and a poor halfback.

Great coach? Yeah, he won an ESL title in his first year. He won a Challenge Cup the next year. He took an underachieving Souths team with shit defence who had just lost their 'star halfback' lol and took them to top 4 and now to first.
So if Reynolds just catches and passes to those two then that's what Sandow did right?+ the shit defence? But hang on a sec Pou, how could Reynolds catch and pass to Sutton when they play on opposite sides of the field? Sutton couldn't have been on his side because five-eighths don't do that anymore!!:crazy:

But who is? So halves aren't good or bad, it's just the team around them? God you're thick Pou.
He wasn't a phenomenal half. He was an ok half in a good team that could never make the finals. Then he left and they made the top 4 :lol:

By the way, you should go back and look at Souths' scores during that period. They weren't scoring 30 points a match. They would be average and then turn out 40 or 50 against bottom teams. Not only that but they would get flogged in several games.

And another thing, you act like Souths were better when Sandow was there. Judging by how you think there's nothing special about Maguire or Reynolds.
South Sydney's attack not only did not rely on Sandow, but their defence has been better off without him.

I anticipate a picking apart of this post via a break down of quotes and the "if you can't convince confuse" approach.

BTW some very strong points Springs but all good halfbacks benefit from playing reserve grade.. Don't they?

 

[EelsFan05]

If he wasn't good enough to lead a team to the semis then nobody would have wanted him. He would have been pretty cheap.

We wanted him cause we were desperate and Souths made sure we paid top dollar for him. I didn't hear of anyone else madly trying to sign him.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

South Sydney's attack not only did not rely on Sandow, but their defence has been better off without him.

The only true statement in your entire post.

 

[IFR33K]

Sandow may or may not be the answer, and he may or may not suck, but at this stage, it's all trivial - he is stuck behind the worst forward pack on the face of the planet.

There's something about sandow, he just doesn't come across as a team player. A flash in the pan type player, thats concerned about his own stats, rather than the teams performance.

Was always going to be a risky purchase, and with the $$$ he's reportedly on, not sure any team will come close.