Edwards or DWZ for fullback next year

[Luke Bowden]

Holy moley, does it always have to be doom and gloom with you lot.

Dallin loves playing footy for Panthers, he is very passionate about the club, much the same way Sauce is.

He offers a lot more than your average winger and his next contract will reflect that.

It’s notbing like the CHN situation, he was stuck behind two starting 2nd rowers, he was never going to force either of them out of the starting line up and his next contract would have reflected that.

Sadly, your reactions to this is the only thing that is easy to predict.

 

[roofromoz]

Nice dilemma to have. Edwards... only just. I can see the pros for DWZ as well.

 

[Flashstep]

Holy moley, does it always have to be doom and gloom with you lot.

Dallin loves playing footy for Panthers, he is very passionate about the club, much the same way Sauce is.

He offers a lot more than your average winger and his next contract will reflect that.

It’s notbing like the CHN situation, he was stuck behind two starting 2nd rowers, he was never going to force either of them out of the starting line up and his next contract would have reflected that.

Sadly, your reactions to this is the only thing that is easy to predict.

It's not really Doom and Gloom it's more just realism, today's game is a business and players only have about 10 years to get the most money out of their career's, could you really blame DWZ if he left if a club offered him a fullback spot which I assume would be his preferred position as well as more money? It doesn't matter how much people say they love the club, players are forced out or leave either way, look at Josh Reynolds for example nobody would have ever said he'd leave the Bulldogs but the Tigers came in and offered him ridiculous money and he left, can't blame him for it either.

The fact is we will probably have to accept that we will lose either DWZ or Edwards, whoever isn't fullback will probably be out the door within 12 months.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Long term Edwards. Let them both complete for a healthy rivalry for the spot come round 1 though.
I still wouldn't mind seeing DWZ in the centres later on. I think he is more than just a good winger.

 

[mxlegend99]

It's not really Doom and Gloom it's more just realism, today's game is a business and players only have about 10 years to get the most money out of their career's, could you really blame DWZ if he left if a club offered him a fullback spot which I assume would be his preferred position as well as more money? It doesn't matter how much people say they love the club, players are forced out or leave either way, look at Josh Reynolds for example nobody would have ever said he'd leave the Bulldogs but the Tigers came in and offered him ridiculous money and he left, can't blame him for it either.

The fact is we will probably have to accept that we will lose either DWZ or Edwards, whoever isn't fullback will probably be out the door within 12 months.

100%.

I know Dallin is not selfish and loves the club. But say were offering $400k and a wing spot while another club is offering $600k+ and fullback. Well how many players would turn that down?

$400k is based on Gus thinking wingers aren't worth more then that. Or maybe it was $500k. I don't recall. It was when Mansour was given permission to talk to other clubs.

This is a job with a limited opportunity to earn big money in. These players are only human and have families. They need to consider that ontop of loyalty to a club they love.

 

[gUt]

Nice problem to have! Edwards is the specialist and would be my pick. DWZ is that perfect utility back who just happens to be a beast coming off the long run.

 

[Luke Bowden]

100%.

I know Dallin is not selfish and loves the club. But say were offering $400k and a wing spot while another club is offering $600k+ and fullback. Well how many players would turn that down?

$400k is based on Gus thinking wingers aren't worth more then that. Or maybe it was $500k. I don't recall. It was when Mansour was given permission to talk to other clubs.

This is a job with a limited opportunity to earn big money in. These players are only human and have families. They need to consider that ontop of loyalty to a club they love.

Dallin is a Winger who also plays FB, Gus realises the value in having a player like this and will pay more.

Someone like Mansour, who let’s face it, is hopeless in any other position, will earn genuine Winger money.

Another club would have to offer Dal, Tedesco/Slater type money in order for him to leave, I can’t see that happening, he’s not that good.

 

[Kilkenny]

There both very good fullbacks.

I would pick Edwards purely because the balance of the back three is better, at least until we unearth another winger who is better.

 

[TheFrog]

Absolutely no chance Cleary will have Edwards on the right wing instead of Dallin.

Woops I thought you were referring to N. Cleary for a minute there.

I know Dallin is not selfish and loves the club. But say were offering $400k and a wing spot while another club is offering $600k+ and fullback. Well how many players would turn that down?

$400k is absolute top of the line winger money, unless you're Radradra or MAYBE AddoCarr. Dallin might possibly be able to command $400k on his next deal given he's now proven a success at fullback in the international sphere, but he might have to leave Penrith to get it.

 

[franklin2323]

DWZ re-signed as a winger. He could of gone elsewhere to play there. So nothing has changed I dare say he gets overs compared to other wingers.

 

[mxlegend99]

DWZ re-signed as a winger. He could of gone elsewhere to play there. So nothing has changed I dare say he gets overs compared to other wingers.

Exept having international fullback on his resume, and being among the best on field against the other Tier 1 teams. Along with captaining his country.

Before this season he only had a handful of games at fullback. And none at international level. His form at fullback would not have gone unnoticed by other clubs. There was a slim chance his club form might. But that international game as captain against Australia was huge.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

Edwards was forming a wicked combo with Kikau before he got injured. It seemed like whenever Kikau got a hand free Edwards was there backing up. He can't support as much from the wing. Kikau is our most important weapon, we need a great support player in the team to get the best out of him.

 

[tripster]

100%.

I know Dallin is not selfish and loves the club. But say were offering $400k and a wing spot while another club is offering $600k+ and fullback. Well how many players would turn that down?

$400k is based on Gus thinking wingers aren't worth more then that. Or maybe it was $500k. I don't recall. It was when Mansour was given permission to talk to other clubs.

This is a job with a limited opportunity to earn big money in. These players are only human and have families. They need to consider that ontop of loyalty to a club they love.

Wingers are the lowest paid of the first graders. There was an article on NRL.com in August this year that reported that the average first grade wingers salary is $240,000 per season.

Vunivalu is reportedly on $240,000 at the Storm and Ado Carr (he may have since been upgraded) signed with the Storm for $140,000 per season.

Hard to imagine that DWZ is on much more than $250,000.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Hard to imagine that DWZ is on much more than $250,000.

If anyone is overpaying for their wingers, it would be us.

 

[mxlegend99]

If anyone is overpaying for their wingers, it would be us.

Knights and Eels topus easily.

Knights had Akuila Uate signed for $500k a season a while back. More recently though they tend to be throwing the most money around to buy their way off the bottom of the ladder. It has worked as they were a bit better at it thrn Eels.

Eels in recent years have led the way in paying overs for players. Going as far as cheating to do so. Only to sign busted players who can barely take the field.

The problem is it just takes one desperate club to increase a players value. Sometimes that club can completely f**k the market value of similar quality playerd. Like Dragons did with Ben Hunt.

Atleast when teams like Storm, Broncos and Roosters are working the salary cap it's not screwing the market up like that.

 

[mxlegend99]

Corey Oates is supposedly giving up $200k per season to stay at Broncos. Other clubs have offered him $600k a season.

Amazing how often players will give up hundreds of thousands of dollars to sign with or stay at Broncos.

Oates you could believe might do it. But aftera single season recently where Broncos signed Benji Marshall played reserve grade for $85k after rejecting $300k+ from Dragons as it was an insulting offer, Korbin Sims was released early from a $400k contract to play at Broncos on $85k, James Roberts took $200k at Broncos over $400k at Dragons and David Mead gave up $200k+ at Titans to play reserve grade at Broncos on minumum wage... its a little hard to believe players are really sacrificing money rather then getting it in another way.

Oates could love the club as Mansour does us. But the other players had no reason to give up huge money.

We need to find out how they really do it. It cant be sacrificing money for the coach when he's as good as gone. Nor because they're successful. Many more successful teams in the comp.

 

[MrBlack]

Corey Oates is supposedly giving up $200k per season to stay at Broncos. Other clubs have offered him $600k a season.

Amazing how often players will give up hundreds of thousands of dollars to sign with or stay at Broncos.

Oates you could believe might do it. But aftera single season recently where Broncos signed Benji Marshall played reserve grade for $85k after rejecting $300k+ from Dragons as it was an insulting offer, Korbin Sims was released early from a $400k contract to play at Broncos on $85k, James Roberts took $200k at Broncos over $400k at Dragons and David Mead gave up $200k+ at Titans to play reserve grade at Broncos on minumum wage... its a little hard to believe players are really sacrificing money rather then getting it in another way.

Oates could love the club as Mansour does us. But the other players had no reason to give up huge money.

We need to find out how they really do it. It cant be sacrificing money for the coach when he's as good as gone. Nor because they're successful. Many more successful teams in the comp.

Oates is a player on the fringes of being a rep player. He has had some taste of it but he needs still to go to another level. Maybe, at his age and stage of his career, he would feel that the Broncos are his best bet.

If he is playing for the Broncos he is more likely to play State of Origin. If he goes to another club and they struggle, he may fall off the radar.

That is what the Broncos can offer.

 

[Pomoz]

Corey Oates is supposedly giving up $200k per season to stay at Broncos. Other clubs have offered him $600k a season.

Amazing how often players will give up hundreds of thousands of dollars to sign with or stay at Broncos.

Oates you could believe might do it. But aftera single season recently where Broncos signed Benji Marshall played reserve grade for $85k after rejecting $300k+ from Dragons as it was an insulting offer, Korbin Sims was released early from a $400k contract to play at Broncos on $85k, James Roberts took $200k at Broncos over $400k at Dragons and David Mead gave up $200k+ at Titans to play reserve grade at Broncos on minumum wage... its a little hard to believe players are really sacrificing money rather then getting it in another way.

Oates could love the club as Mansour does us. But the other players had no reason to give up huge money.

We need to find out how they really do it. It cant be sacrificing money for the coach when he's as good as gone. Nor because they're successful. Many more successful teams in the comp.

Ok, slow day, here goes:

• Brisbane are successful by any measure. Number of premierships, appearances in the finals, rep players generated, crowds, sponsorship dollars etc. Don't confuse not winning a premiership for a while with being a failure;
• Brisbane is a one town city with massive opportunities for third party sponsorship;
• Brisbane is an easier place to live than Sydney or Melbourne. Less traffic, lower house prices, better climate than Melbourne (unless you like cold and wet of course);
• The chances of winning something are much higher than just about any other club besides Melbourne and the Roosters;
• The chances of being in a rep team are increased if you play for the Broncos. They generate rep players year after year. If you play for Penrith and are simply brilliant, you will probably be overlooked for a muppet from the Dragons, Broncos or Roosters. Just ask Ryan Girdler (finally when Gird's gets picked he tops the NSW all time points in a game record and people are saying "f#ck, he's really good". Well duh! Where have you been for the last five seasons he was carving it up for the Panthers);

• You will be on TV every Friday night so your Mum can watch you play without leaving the comfort of her lounge room.

It is quite easy to see why players sign with the Broncos and I wouldn't believe any of the figures thrown about by the press unless you have seen a copy of their actual contract. They make sh*t up.

 

[umina panther]

Ok, slow day, here goes:

• Brisbane are successful by any measure. Number of premierships, appearances in the finals, rep players generated, crowds, sponsorship dollars etc. Don't confuse not winning a premiership for a while with being a failure;
• Brisbane is a one town city with massive opportunities for third party sponsorship;
• Brisbane is an easier place to live than Sydney or Melbourne. Less traffic, lower house prices, better climate than Melbourne (unless you like cold and wet of course);
• The chances of winning something are much higher than just about any other club besides Melbourne and the Roosters;
• The chances of being in a rep team are increased if you play for the Broncos. They generate rep players year after year. If you play for Penrith and are simply brilliant, you will probably be overlooked for a muppet from the Dragons, Broncos or Roosters. Just ask Ryan Girdler (finally when Gird's gets picked he tops the NSW all time points in a game record and people are saying "f#ck, he's really good". Well duh! Where have you been for the last five seasons he was carving it up for the Panthers);

• You will be on TV every Friday night so your Mum can watch you play without leaving the comfort of her lounge room.

It is quite easy to see why players sign with the Broncos and I wouldn't believe any of the figures thrown about by the press unless you have seen a copy of their actual contract. They make sh*t up.

It's very well known that they cheat and the NRL simply doesn't care. The Andrew Gee situation in particular was laughable

 

[mxlegend99]

Ok, slow day, here goes:

• Brisbane are successful by any measure. Number of premierships, appearances in the finals, rep players generated, crowds, sponsorship dollars etc. Don't confuse not winning a premiership for a while with being a failure;
• Brisbane is a one town city with massive opportunities for third party sponsorship;
• Brisbane is an easier place to live than Sydney or Melbourne. Less traffic, lower house prices, better climate than Melbourne (unless you like cold and wet of course);
• The chances of winning something are much higher than just about any other club besides Melbourne and the Roosters;
• The chances of being in a rep team are increased if you play for the Broncos. They generate rep players year after year. If you play for Penrith and are simply brilliant, you will probably be overlooked for a muppet from the Dragons, Broncos or Roosters. Just ask Ryan Girdler (finally when Gird's gets picked he tops the NSW all time points in a game record and people are saying "f#ck, he's really good". Well duh! Where have you been for the last five seasons he was carving it up for the Panthers);

• You will be on TV every Friday night so your Mum can watch you play without leaving the comfort of her lounge room.

It is quite easy to see why players sign with the Broncos and I wouldn't believe any of the figures thrown about by the press unless you have seen a copy of their actual contract. They make sh*t up.

Rightio.

Players will accept $200 to $300k a season less to play on Friday nights. They dont dominate the rep teams like they used to either. Form is more important.

There's no way a few possible perks is more valuable to players then cold hard cash is. Broncos will be topping these guys upto market value one way or another.

The one time they were close to being caught cheating. Gee just steps down. The missing $300k is paid back and everything is forgotten. You think Benji and Mead sacrificed all that money for the third party opportunities provided by playing reserve grade in QLD?

These 'perks' were almost believable when Broncos were a powerhouse and Bennett was the best coach in the competition. But even then... these guys would not be missing out on much if at all by going there. Now? They're no better then us with a roster that's worth a shitload more. They're the biggest underachievers in the comp.