Eels Salary Cap MK III

[Hollywood Jesus]

If Watmough's insurance payout puts us back under the cap and the NRL are forced to rescind their points deduction then it could also save them from facing anything from the Storm.

If we're not found guilty then we're not given on-field punishments. The NRL then hasn't gone against a precedent and the Storm have nothing to go on.

What the NRL originally intended to do would have no bearing as they didn't actually do it.

 

[born an eel]

So, IF as assumed all current TPA's have been included in the salary cap and have pushed us over, why can they not simply be cancelled?

They are registered with the NRL by the player manager, surely he can de-register them?
If a TPA cannot be used to entice a player to play for a certain club, surely the cancellation of one does not then mean the player has to leave the club?

If all the players went "nah, I don't want my TPA any more because I don't like what that company does" can they be obligated to maintain it and take the money? I think not.

If it is proven fake invoices where being payed and money channeled to the players doesn't this implicate the companies as well. Should be easy to cancel these deals.

If we are connected by TPA and provider of services to the club cant we just terminate the providers association with the club? The NRL would have to agree as they want us to abide by the rules and are trying to minimize the affect to the players. The player still gets his money but the club needs to find a new provider.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think that this is not over by the longest shot. But what they will do, I have no actual idea.

Just a hypothetical, imagine we present proof we are under the cap, that is tested legally and found accurate. What would that do to the game ?

If the club is going to take the matter to court, then it might as well go All-In and challenge the entire legality of the salary cap itself.

Now what would that do to the game?

 

[forward pass]

AGree, of course it/he is political. This not only has to be a penalty for our wrong doing, but also has to "send a message" of his/the NRL's authority out to all of the other clubs. (And not to mention also trying to placate the feral media, who have been taking turns trying to show how much influence they can bring to bear over a sport that helps pay their bills....)

I can't understand the Greenburg backlash. We cheated, we got what we deserved. How the f**k is that Greenburgs fault?

We should all be very thankful that he has allowed us to play for points. Gallop did not let Storm do that - and he would not have on this occasion either. I think Greenburg has been very fair - and to be honest handled this bloody well.

Personally, I can't stay how impressed I am that he spoke to the players first. That took some guts and was actually very considerate seeing the players are the most affected party.

 

[strider]

How can the NRL put a price on these so called overpaid services? ... could the NRL put a price on the north queensland property market? Apparently not

 

[phantom eel]

I can't understand the Greenburg backlash. We cheated, we got what we deserved. How the f**k is that Greenburgs fault?

No-one is saying it's Greenburg's fault - well I'm not, anyway. I'm agreeing that yes, his press conference was political... as it always had to be, given the political nature of his job.

Personally, I can't stay how impressed I am that he spoke to the players first. That took some guts and was actually very considerate seeing the players are the most affected party.

Agree. That was very thoughtful, and a refreshing approach to take under the circumstances.

 

[strider]

I can't understand the Greenburg backlash. We cheated, we got what we deserved. How the f**k is that Greenburgs fault?

We should all be very thankful that he has allowed us to play for points. Gallop did not let Storm do that - and he would not have on this occasion either. I think Greenburg has been very fair - and to be honest handled this bloody well.

Personally, I can't stay how impressed I am that he spoke to the players first. That took some guts and was actually very considerate seeing the players are the most affected party.

You the main thing that i am absolutely gobsmacked by ...

Why the f**k to Greenburg go on 2GB for an interview about it BEFORE the press conference?

Why? Why is 2gb so important? What possible reason could justify it? .... the most unprofessional thing ... he puts ray hadley's timeslot before doing things the right way .... SERIOUSLY - WTF?

 

[phantom eel]

If Watmough's insurance payout puts us back under the cap and the NRL are forced to rescind their points deduction then it could also save them from facing anything from the Storm.

If we're not found guilty then we're not given on-field punishments. The NRL then hasn't gone against a precedent and the Storm have nothing to go on.

The Storm never got back under the cap in the season their rorting was discovered. We have a chance to - if Watmough's injury retirement deems his salary cap exempt.

That simply should end any Storm whinging.

 

[phantom eel]

Speaking of Watmough, may as well stick this here...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...k=d403811e5a7eb0d94f5a606923416369-1462283922

Parramatta Eels salary cap: Club waiting on outcome of Anthony Watmough contract issue

May 3, 2016 10:00pmDavid RiccioThe Daily Telegraph

FOR NINE years he treated every one of Anthony Watmough’s injuries as the Manly Sea Eagles club doctor.

But in the eyes of 15,000 shattered Parramatta Eels members and fans, never has respected NRL chief medical officer Doctor Paul Bloomfield, faced a more important diagnosis of Watmough than this.

It’s Bloomfield, who worked at the Sea Eagles between 2000 and 2012 before joining the NRL last year, that will determine if Watmough’s four-year $750,000 deal with Parramatta is removed from the Eels current salary cap, due to a career-ending knee injury.

It’s Parramatta’s greatest hope of shedding the majority, if not all of the estimated $570,000 which the NRL claim the Eels are currently over the salary cap, as a result of club management’s rorting of third-party deals.

As revealed by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, Watmough’s medical records are yet to arrive at League Central for Bloomfield’s perusal to certify.

“There are provisions in the rules for players who retire early due to medical conditions so we would deal with that on it’s merit,’’ Geenberg said.

“The salary cap auditor has to be provided with all of the medical certificates and he has to be certain that it’s bona fide.’’

But it’s The Daily Telegraph’s understanding that Watmough’s medical documents will be presented to the NRL and Bloomfield on Wednesday.

The process of seeking salary cap exemptions is completely independent to the current insurance claim Watmough has already submitted.

There have been previous cases of club’s filing for salary cap exemption due to a career-ending injury, including former St George Illawarra and Cronulla utility Kyle Stanley, which have taken the NRL up to six months to ratify..

But in the case of the desperate Eels, Bloomfield will have just nine days — Parramatta play South Sydney on May 13 — to determine if Watmough’s knee injury is career-ending.

The doctor’s notes will then be presented to NRL salary cap auditor Jamie L’Oste Brown, who will determine how much — if any at all — of Watmough’s $750,000 salary and pay, of which can be backdated to the date of the injury occurring last February, will be removed from the Eels salary cap.

The NRL stated that only when the last-placed Eels show that they are back under the salary cap will they be permitted to recommence playing for competition points.

Greenberg also said that he was prepared to “help the club realise it’s full potential” and that the NRL were “part of the solution.’’

In the eyes of Eels officials, the fast-tracking of Watmough’s career-ending injury paperwork, is the answer towards getting back on their feet in the short-term and ensuring the 2016 season isn’t a waste.

The Eels ability to prove Watmough’s injury is career-ending will also impact their anticipated next step, which would be the offloading of current players, a difficult task to achieve in as little as nine days.

Politicially, the NRL need to appear to play hard ball about the Watmough exemption, and let us stew for the next week. But perhaps, just perhaps, they knew all along that we had this avenue as a way out to redress our $570K overspend? And that needing 12 wins from 15 games is achievable if we are good enough, but also appears a harsh penalty if we are not - and keeps up the interest while we're still a chance at making the 8.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Of course it's a new injury. There was a very convincing article about it in the paper just recently.

 

[emjaycee]

I heard before the Bulldogs game that the view of the NRL was "if we are good enough, we will make the 8" so what they have done holds true to some extent.

However, if the average number of points to make the 8 is 28, then that is 12 wins from 24 games during a full season so, teams that win half their games are good enough. Greenburg has tasked us with winning 18 from 24 - 75% of our games.

Thanks Toddy

 

[ash411]

Speaking of Watmough, may as well stick this here...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...k=d403811e5a7eb0d94f5a606923416369-1462283922



Politicially, the NRL need to appear to play hard ball about the Watmough exemption, and let us stew for the next week. But perhaps, just perhaps, they knew all along that we had this avenue as a way out to redress our $570K overspend? And that needing 12 wins from 15 games is achievable if we are good enough, but also appears a harsh penalty if we are not - and keeps up the interest while we're still a chance at making the 8.

Everything Greenberg says and does HAS to be political. He said it himself in the presser, he has 16 clubs and fanbases to service.

15 of those clubs aren't the Eels. He has to think about all 16 clubs when deciding things like this.

I personally think the NRL are being pretty fair given the level of deception they are talking about, and given that we are over the cap this year, we don't deserve any of the points we have won so far. It's pretty simple.

As far as the conspiracy theory floating around that the NRL will purposefully try to fix games to make us lose if we manage to get cap compliant is a joke.

And of course, they are interested in revenue and TV ratings, what do you think pays for the grants we get every year to pay our players? As far as the NRL stringing us along so we keep going to games, but secretly behind the scenes Tod is stroking his mustache thinking of ways to secretly keep us out of the 8 is equally a joke.

If we get cap compliant in enough time to earn enough points to make the 8, we'll be playing finals footy. There's nothing the NRL can do to stop that now.

 

[Avenger]

Watmough hasn'tplayed since July dueto injury. If he retires surely it will be backdated from the start of season 2016. Surely he was on at least $570k for this season. It doesn't matter who ends up paying him out, insurance or us it will not count for this season. Watmough will be our saviour.

Secondly we should try and negotiate prior to court for a reduction in points loss and lessen the blow. Nobody wants this to drag on in the courts with an asterix next to our position on the table. I'd take only 4 points and take 6.

 

[Johnny88]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ut-salary-cap-punishment-20160503-gol4v9.html

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ut-salary-cap-punishment-20160503-gol4v9.html

In the car on the way to Parramatta on Tuesday morning, Greenberg phoned Peter Sterling and Mick Cronin, two greats from the 1980s when Parramatta was the greatest club in the world.
He told them how he planned to fix their club. He might need their help.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ut-salary-cap-punishment-20160503-gol4v9.html

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

So, IF as assumed all current TPA's have been included in the salary cap and have pushed us over, why can they not simply be cancelled?

They are registered with the NRL by the player manager, surely he can de-register them?
If a TPA cannot be used to entice a player to play for a certain club, surely the cancellation of one does not then mean the player has to leave the club?

If all the players went "nah, I don't want my TPA any more because I don't like what that company does" can they be obligated to maintain it and take the money? I think not.

The players can't be forced to take the money, but that is not the point. De-registering the deals at this point wouldn't necessarily mean that these amounts are taken off the cap. The NRL seems to have decided that these particular TPAs were an inducement to sign with the club, thus I don't see that their cancellation would affect the assessed cap expenditure.

 

[Gronk]

James Hooper said last night that Semi coukd be moved on immediately to provide cap relief. He said because Semi remained angry that TPAs have not been paid.

Hooper is obviously implying that we have not honoured the coin.

I dont get how the media can one day take the moral high ground about us cheating by guaranteeing TPAs. Then the very next day suggest that we are unreliable by not having fixed Semi's TPA problem.

 

[Eelementary]

Is it worth upsetting the balance and unity in the squad by pushing blokes out who have done nothing wrong, or are we better off playing for nothing this year to sort out this mess properly?

 

[parra-matters]

I can't understand the Greenburg backlash. We cheated, we got what we deserved. How the f**k is that Greenburgs fault?

We should all be very thankful that he has allowed us to play for points. Gallop did not let Storm do that - and he would not have on this occasion either. I think Greenburg has been very fair - and to be honest handled this bloody well.

Personally, I can't stay how impressed I am that he spoke to the players first. That took some guts and was actually very considerate seeing the players are the most affected party.

I agree with that, also Greenberg while putting the game first also put out club in a position where it can now move forward and put all of this behind us.
This could have been much worse and looking at the extend of the lies and deceit it should have been a much stiffer penalty.

 

[Johnny88]

There is a story on the Australian about players association saying you can't move players out of the club.

 

[Jake the snake]

Is it worth upsetting the balance and unity in the squad by pushing blokes out who have done nothing wrong, or are we better off playing for nothing this year to sort out this mess properly?

That's a good point, something to think about. But What a waste of a year it would be. This is all to sad. it's all because of these people in charge who have no idea and should not have been in charge of a NRL club. They had no idea what they were doing. Sad thing is every day they stay on wipes out our slight hope for this season. Just wish these knobs would go away, they have destroyed this club enough.