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Eels Salary Cap Mk V

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That ABC Report is interesting as it clearly says the club accepts responsibility of Seward's actions and that Seward's actions were the reason for his removal from the club.

Yet we keep hearing that the club has not owned up.

Basically calling the clubs submission lies and believing a man who has admitted to cheating the Salary cap.

You know it is hard to keep hearing this shit, the board need to come out know with a public response. Big press conference, take on every allegation head on, Have the reporters in the room to ask follow ups form their peices after they have been addressed.

The club has been trying to play smart by not playing this out in public. I think it is time to get some PR people onboard and get this information out into the public space.
 

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they only partly accept responsibility .... they are saving their asses just like everyone else

I am rather baffled that the media aren't going hard at all this .... they are stuck in lets lynch parramatta mode - go for the bigger prize merkins!
 

phantom eel

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So Greenberg feels our submission wasn't sufficient to reduce the proposed penalties. By going with the "Seward did it" approach, perhaps we didn't sufficiently address (or "own up" to) the forensic records of emails, messages, recordings of board meeting which suggested (to the NRL) that Seward had acted with some knowledge by some club officials and members of the Board, and that some officials and members of the Board continued after Seward's dismissal trying to "fix it" instead of reporting it fully as required?

If so, there is no "information" for the club (the four remaining directors and Schubert?) to get out into the public space - other than the club's incompetence, in both previous governance and in the composition of their submission to the breach notice.

We did wrong, we got caught, we tried to plead a case, it didn't change a thing - time to let it go and move on. The NRL will move on to start cleaning up player managers and TPAs generally across the code, and yes we'll probably be the only club penalised since the others have a chance to celan up their TPA act. But let's get our own governance house in order first and foremost, forget tilting at windmills, let the Go5 do their own thing on their own time, all so the club can finally move on....
 
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Well surely in admitting it, Seward has accepted the other part of the blame. The clubs part of the blame was hiring and trusting this prick as CEO and club secretary.
 
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That ABC Report is interesting as it clearly says the club accepts responsibility of Seward's actions and that Seward's actions were the reason for his removal from the club.

Yet we keep hearing that the club has not owned up.

Basically calling the clubs submission lies and believing a man who has admitted to cheating the Salary cap.

You know it is hard to keep hearing this shit, the board need to come out know with a public response. Big press conference, take on every allegation head on, Have the reporters in the room to ask follow ups form their peices after they have been addressed.

The club has been trying to play smart by not playing this out in public. I think it is time to get some PR people onboard and get this information out into the public space.


I'm not sure that the recording of the board meeting helps our case too much though. Even if the transcripts we've seen are out of context, it's hard to see an interpretation that would suggest that the board (ultimately) didn't know what was going on. While Seward's testimony is obviously an important part of the evidence against us, one would think that the NRL obtained corroborating evidence from other sources, in particular when they obtained financial records and records of communications from the club.

We certainly need some PR people. We fired a few a couple of years back didn't we?
 
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So Greenberg feels our submission wasn't sufficient to reduce the proposed penalties. By going with the "Seward did it" approach, perhaps we didn't sufficiently address (or "own up" to) the forensic records of emails, messages, recordings of board meeting which suggested (to the NRL) that Seward had acted with some knowledge by some club officials and members of the Board, and that some officials and members of the Board continued after Seward's dismissal trying to "fix it" instead of reporting it fully as required?

Yeah because for 700 pages worth we would have just kept repeating Seward did it.

I would hope the document would also highlight how the club worked to resolve the issue in time for the 2016 season where the signed declaration from the Chair and the CEO could legitimately say we are under the salary cap.

Move on. Sorry I can't cop that. If we worked our tails off from between 2015 to January, and were cap compliant, why the hell should we just cop it sweet. Sure fine us, sanction people, but if the club as a whole was playing by the rules this year, then I want the f**king points back, I want our position back and I want our club to be able to compete on the equal footing we may well have earned.

I am over discretion being the better part of f**king valor. It is time to tell our side if the story.
 
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I'm not sure that the recording of the board meeting helps our case too much though. Even if the transcripts we've seen are out of context, it's hard to see an interpretation that would suggest that the board (ultimately) didn't know what was going on.

As I have stated on my review of the Transcripts in an earlier thread, I find most of them no conclusive.

Seward saying we need external TPA, and that other clubs have other groups that provide them (like is noted at the Broncos and Bulldogs) is not a problem.

Then Bill Moss sets up such a group.

That group has secured according to some sources 1 TPA to the value of $30,000 over its life.

Now not once on those transcripts does Seward speak with the board about cash payments and dodgy invoices.

It is only once he is fired, and the club starts to pull at these threads are these details mentioned at board level and the club starts its investigation.
 
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As I have stated on my review of the Transcripts in an earlier thread, I find most of them no conclusive.

Seward saying we need external TPA, and that other clubs have other groups that provide them (like is noted at the Broncos and Bulldogs) is not a problem.

Then Bill Moss sets up such a group.

That group has secured according to some sources 1 TPA to the value of $30,000 over its life.

Now not once on those transcripts does Seward speak with the board about cash payments and dodgy invoices.

It is only once he is fired, and the club starts to pull at these threads are these details mentioned at board level and the club starts its investigation.

Sure. But they had the chance to go to the NRL immediately. The fact that you have directors questioning whether the club's behaviour may constitute fraud isn't great.
 

phantom eel

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Respect your opinion and happy to agree to disagree.

But it needs to be pointed out that the process the club went through to get cap complaint by Feburary is different to the (new) evidence for and reasons behind our breach notice and penalty.

It's not all about getting under the cap $ figure - we were breached for inappropriate cap conduct (inflating invoices, non-arms length TPAs, inappropriate TPA governance/honesty). We then made to get cap complaint again during the season, once they'd made a judgement on how our newly revealed inappropriate cap conduct equated to a $ figure (inclusion of all TPAs into cap for this season). Our penalty relates to the innaprpropriate conduct and governance - which our submission appears not to absolved - and not to us getting under a cap figure.
 

phantom eel

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It is only once he is fired, and the club starts to pull at these threads are these details mentioned at board level and the club starts its investigation.
But tries to "fix it" in house, rather than fully self-report the extent of it to the NRL. And get busted holding evidence of this conduct which it has failed to absolve in the submission.

*shrugs* I just can't see the points coming back under any circumstances. Our club needs to (start) playing by the rules, and focusing on the future now so that more time and money is not wasted.
 
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Sure. But they had the chance to go to the NRL immediately. The fact that you have directors questioning whether the club's behaviour may constitute fraud isn't great.

Indeed, but then there are other articles where people have tried to speak with the NRL CEO and been rebuffed. How can the club report in that light ?

The clubs action should have been to come forward no doubt, but it also interests me how much interest the NRL had in the dealing at Parramatta pre this issue.
 
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*shrugs* I just can't see the points coming back under any circumstances. Our club needs to (start) playing by the rules, and focusing on the future now so that more time and money is not wasted.

Sorry mate, but again, how apart from not self reporting the issue last year, have we breached the cap and the rules for this year ?
 

phantom eel

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More shit!! Who is leaking this stuff!!

Here is an article leaking BA's statement:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/su...72843ca06fab4977722cf3dcc7c&memtype=anonymous


It's behind a paywall so can't post it. But it's a good read (Filthy_Spammers has a copy of it)

I really don't think this stuff should be leaked, hope the NRL isn't behind it
It's a Nick Tabakov special...
PARRAMATTA coach Brad Arthur has lifted the lid on poisonous infighting, mistrust and backstabbing behind the scenes at the Eels, declaring: “It’s been a shambles from the time I got there till now.”

Extraordinary transcripts of Arthur’s interview with the NRL’s Integrity Unit as part of the Parramatta salary cap investigation in April show Arthur’s frustration at the leaking of information and interference from senior officials and board members.

Arthur, who joined the club in 2014 after the Eels had slumped to back-to-back wooden spoons, even made the sensational claim that some senior figures “don’t want me to succeed”.

In an exhaustive interview, Arthur told the NRL’s head of the integrity unit Nick Weeks and senior investigator Karyn Murphy on April 12 this year:

* THE NRL urgently needed “to make changes at our club ... we’re leaderless”;

* HE hid team information from the board for fear of it being leaked;

* PLAYERS and their managers would confront him demanding money owed from their contracts;

* HE encouraged the club to source third-party agreements but didn’t suggest “that we go and cheat or do anything illegal”; and

* NOT to punish the players by docking the team competition points.

INFIGHTING
Arthur led the Eels to 10th and 12th placed finishes in his first two years at the club, but felt he was being undermined.

“I feel like not everyone’s working with me, that people are working against me, they don’t want me to succeed,” Arthur said.

“I feel like they hide some (things). They tell me what they think I should know or what they want me to know. They don’t tell me everything and it’s always been like that.” At another point, he said: “I feel like they’re all working against each other.”

Pressed by Weeks on who “they” were, Arthur replied “the board, (and) Daniel (Anderson, head of football).

“They think that I’m prickly and I’m hard to get along with. They’re saying it because I want what’s best for the club.”

Asked about his relationship with the board, Arthur said: “It’s just like I said, it’s been a shambles from the time I got there till now.”

BOARD AND MANAGEMENT
Arthur presents the Eels board as interventionist — in a statement that appears to entirely contradict the board’s claims they knew nothing about what was happening at the club during the salary cap breach period.

“They say they’re not operational but they stick their nose in everywhere,” he said. “They stay away from me now, but, you know, they go to other people.”

Asked which board members were most interested, he singles out chairman Steve Sharp, deputy chairman Tom Issa and director Peter Serrao: all now deregistered by the NRL.

Despite banding the players together in tough times since his arrival in 2014, Eels management have reneged on contract extensions with Arthur three times in the past two years.

But, according to Arthur, he’s faced no end of internal obstacles in trying to restore the Eels to a premiership force.

“I haven’t got along with everyone at the club because I feel, like, not everyone has the same passion and interest or care,” Arthur said.

“I’d need to get everyone in the room because there were so many different stories or lies told and I don’t know who to believe and that could be about my staff, could be about whether I want to get a bus to a game or anything.”

“Everyone does a bit of this, bit of that and no one wants accountability/responsibility for anything.”

One of Arthur’s lone allies is Geoff Gerard.

“I come into a board meeting, he says, ‘Let the coach coach, leave him alone’,” Arthur said.

Arthur also refers to the management style of former CEO Scott Seward: “The office nicknamed him “TC” and it was “tough c …” because he’d be tough and bravado, and nothing would get done. He’s a nice bloke but he was put in the role that he wasn’t good enough to do.”

SALARY CAP
“It changes from week to week at our club ... One week we’ve got $300,000 left in salary cap, the next week we might have 500, then we’re back to 200,” Arthur said. “There’s nothing concrete ever at our club”.

RECRUITMENT
An email from Arthur to Daniel Anderson, with CEO John Boulous cc’d, talks of the need for “third parties” to attract star player Kieran Foran to the club from Manly. Foran ultimately joined on a $1.2m a year deal. Quizzed on the email, Arthur explains that he is “not suggesting we go and cheat or do anything illegal”.

After Mr Weeks suggests the club appears “more closely involved in securing third parties for Kieran than it ought to be”, Arthur replies: “This might sound naive … but I’ve tried to say out of that and all I’m suggesting there is that ‘we can’t afford to lose him’.”

THIRD-PARTY AGREEMENTS
Arthur talks of pressure during his time with the club about third parties that the Eels had not paid to players: Chris Sandow, Lee Mossop and Nathan Peats.

On Sandow, he said: “I was told through Chris’s manager, Isaac Moses, that Chris was owed money and wasn’t happy, but in terms of how much, what, who owed it, (I) had no idea.”

On Mossop, Arthur commented: “I wasn’t happy with him as a player. That’s about it, and, you know, he wasn’t needed at our club ... (Mossop’s agent) Wayne Beavis said to me at some stage that the club owed him money.”

The Telegraph revealed this week that a TPA for Peats was allegedly promised on a coffee shop napkin to his agent Sam Ayoub. Arthur confirms that: “I think Sam said that he was owed money. I don’t know how much or what he was owed.”

There were also question marks raised over a Mercedes provided to club captain Tim Mannah. Mr Weeks was concerned Mannah had been promised a car, which didn’t go into his contract, but was “looked after a bit later on”. Arthur said he did not “understand” Mr Weeks’ point.

There is no suggestion any of the players or agents mentioned in this article have done anything wrong.

OTHER PLAYER DEMANDS
Arthur laments how players want “more money all the time”.

He refers to star winger Semi Radradra: “He was overseas and he missed a couple of weeks worth of training, and I’d give him an extra week off, and Daniel said: ‘and he’s whingeing about money’.

“They just want more money. They hear what other people are getting paid, and everyone just wants more money.”

THE TEAM
DESPITE the player demands, Arthur was full of praise for the group, unsuccessfully pleading with the NRL not to punish the players.

“They put their bodies on the line every week, they bust their arses,” Arthur said.

“We’ve had some tough times at that club over the last couple of years and they haven’t shirked it.

“You’ve got to do what you’ve got to do but punishing the playing group for ‘16 with points would be more detrimental to being good.”
 

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phantom eel

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Sorry mate, but again, how apart from not self reporting the issue last year, have we breached the cap and the rules for this year ?
From the original announcement by NRL: https://m.nrl.com/parramatta-salary-cap-preliminary-findings/tabid/10874/newsid/95530/default.aspx

The preliminary findings from the investigation include that a series of payments were either hidden from the NRL or misrepresented as suitable for exclusion from the salary cap and that these actions were taken with the knowledge and approval of various club Directors and senior executives.
Those various obviously being the named and suspended Go5 - for actions post Seward. Specifically...
In broad terms, the Integrity Unit investigation has made preliminary findings that the Parramatta club breached the salary cap rules and code of conduct by:

- Paying players undisclosed remuneration from its own resources

- Procuring third party agreements for players in breach of the salary cap rules

- Conspiring with club suppliers to inflate or issue fictitious invoices to raise cash that was then relayed to players


Head of Integrity, Nick Weeks said the club and its registered officials had been given numerous opportunities to meet their obligations to come forward with details of any breaches but had not done so.

This was despite the fact the club appears to have been aware of some of the matters which have been reported to the NRL.

Our submission mustn't have addressed those points outlined in the breach notice sufficiently to counteract the evidence which had been gathered to suggest the above preliminary findings. End of, imo.
 
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Our submission mustn't have addressed those points outlined in the breach notice sufficiently to counteract the evidence which had been gathered to suggest the above preliminary findings. End of, imo.

Again said evidence coming from an admitted Salary cap cheater who was fired from the club. I am sure his evidence is beyond reproach.

As I said, time for the club to get on the front foot and make it's position on these issues Crystal f**king clear so people like you and I don't have to guess what the submission contained.
 

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