Eels to sack Johns

[spiderdan]

I have never been a fan of having a specialist halves coach at the club let alone one that is also imparting the same info at other clubs. Hopefully our playmakers now just concentrate on playing their own games rather than joey's.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Even a year would suffice but that's probably a great idea.
Problem is he probably has financial committements.
Can't see it happeneing.

Suity

more like family commitments.

a skills coaching gig in france or japan could be the best thing for him atm. and it would pay thrice more.

 

[Suitman]

:roll:

Such a typical go on the attack post from you mate. Calm down, some of us can have an opinion of sitting pretty much on the fence, just because we don't all instantly salute to the mediation plan doesn't make you wrong.

Mark, I'm not up for a fight nor did I go on the attack.

Please explain mate....?
I find that a very strange post. Everyone else has been able to discuss.... :?

Suity

 

[selkirk]

Well, the other side of that coin is: what do aboriginal/polynesian people learn if Parramatta don`t sack Johns? That we all pay lip-service to the idea that racial villification is wrong, but at the end of the day, don`t do anything about it? I say sack the prick. Sack him because: a) he`s a goose, b) he`s a hopeless halves coach, and c) any thirty-five year old bloke who still goes by the name of 'Joey' deserves to be sacked. Useless merkin. I always thought Alan Langer was a better half anyway.

Lets replace Joey with a drunk

 

[selkirk]

Bellamy should have sacked Joey before T walked. If they had taken the hard option then, he and the NSWRL would have been seen as taking a hard stance against racism. Now they are faced with defending a coverup.

 

[belmoreeel]

maybe the next underbelly series should be based on NSW origin camps

 

[Eels Dude]

:roll:

Such a typical go on the attack post from you mate. Calm down, some of us can have an opinion of sitting pretty much on the fence, just because we don't all instantly salute to the mediation plan doesn't make you wrong.

Have to agree with Suity here. You asked him how he would handle the situation if it were him in charge in a similar situation and he by simply told you what he'd do. I don't see how you can call that as an attack at all, let alone an agressive one. Nonsensical reply on your behalf MITS. Mediation is at least a starting point... even if it's just internal.

 

[Suitman]

Nonsensical reply on your behalf MITS. Mediation is at least a starting point... even if it's just internal.

I found it aggressive tbh.
It's unlike Mark to come in on a discussion like this with such aggression.
Looks like he was just trying to pick a fight imo.
Dunno why? :?

Suity

 

[fish eel]

I found it aggressive tbh.
It's unlike Mark to come in on a discussion like this with such aggression.
Looks like he was just trying to pick a fight imo.
Dunno why? :?

Suity

Probably still sh*tty that we played Germany with no genuine strikers, and I dont blame him.

 

[bartman]

Bellamy should have sacked Joey before T walked. If they had taken the hard option then, he and the NSWRL would have been seen as taking a hard stance against racism. Now they are faced with defending a coverup.

Exactly, sometimes taking the hard decision ends up easier than trying to pussy foot around it. If NSW had done that immediately, we wouldn't even be in a thread discussing this by now... Tahu would be preparing for game 2, and Joey would be on his way in disgrace.

Let's hope Parra don't make the same mistake as NSW, and end up with a longer more distracting issue on their hands. Johns will learn his lesson in his own time (no doubt in a very public way), but only if the seriousness of it is brought home to him (by losing $$$). Parra is in a position to do this (and to back up Tahu's gutsy stand, which to me they simply must do) by cutting Johns loose.

 

[bartman]

If Johns did some work to advocate anti-racism that would be good.

Not a bad idea... much more meaningful than Joey's "apology".

If Johns had offered to do that from the outset (rather than as a result of mediation) then he might be good to still have around the place. But he didn't think of it, and (based on the words in his apology) I'd suggest he doesn't fully know the meaning of what he has done yet, or believe that it is wrong. It's more like he's just sorry he got caught?

 

[bartman]

Bottom line is both Tahu and Johns should meet and come to some resolution.

Tahu has made his stance and good on him. Awesome!! But it's the way he goes about it from now that will gain him Even greater respect. Johns is hurting and obviously very sorry so you don't kick someone when they are down. You help them to learn about the issue. It's all in Tahu's hands really, there's no more need for Johns to be humiliated more than this. He would have woken up to himself by now I'm sure.

I hope they can work it out....

Tahu shouldn't have to do any more... his priniciples and life (choice to pull out of game 2) and already been affected by this, without him having asked for any of it - he didn't choose his culture nor ask to be put in a work situation where some goose was being a racist and getting away with it.

All the work from here should be done by Johns imo, it'd be unfair to ask Tahu to be further disrupted by mediation. Our club would obviously have any disruption to Tahu's playing state at the forefront of their concerns, rather than a non-exclusive contractor's welfare taking centre stage. Johns can go and fend for himself.

 

[bartman]

Tahu gave Weidler an interview today it was just on Ch. 9 news.

If T keeps harping on about it, it doesn't sound like he's open to mediation...

And neither should he have to be, imo.

Well, the other side of that coin is: what do aboriginal/polynesian people learn if Parramatta don`t sack Johns? That we all pay lip-service to the idea that racial villification is wrong, but at the end of the day, don`t do anything about it? I say sack the prick. Sack him because: a) he`s a goose, b) he`s a hopeless halves coach, and c) any thirty-five year old bloke who still goes by the name of 'Joey' deserves to be sacked. Useless merkin. I always thought Alan Langer was a better half anyway.

Exactly, agree with everything you've said lingard (except about Langer, I'd substitute Sterlo as being better than Johns).

 

[bartman]

More reasons to straight out sack the prick.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ix-codes-culture-of-racism-20100615-ydcr.html

Tahu calls for action to fix code's culture of racism

BRAD WALTER

June 16, 2010

TIMANA TAHU has called for an inquiry into Andrew Johns's behaviour in the NSW camp and the culture of racism within rugby league.
Tahu's comments came as his former Newcastle teammate Robbie O'Davis claimed that the dual international had to put up with racial abuse on a regular basis during his time at the Knights.
The pair played alongside Johns in Newcastle's 2001 premiership-winning team. Tahu has reportedly told family he has been hearing the type of racist comments that led to him walking out of the Blues camp, from the former Test halfback since he was 18.
O'Davis said others at the club had regularly made racial slurs against indigenous players and it was one of the reasons star centre Owen Craigie left the Knights.
Tahu also said the problem was deeper than the incident in which Johns described Queensland stars Greg Inglis and Israel Folau as ''black c---s''. Johns is alleged to have also referred to Aboriginal and Polynesian players by other racist terms.
''This starts from the top,'' Tahu told television reporters in Newcastle. ''It needs to be addressed and it needs to go all the way down from there. I don't know how it gets done but something needs to be done about it. We live in a multicultural society so it is something that needs to be addressed politically from the top to the bottom. I want to stamp out racism.''
The controversy has cost Johns his position as Blues assistant coach, and his role as a newspaper columnist with News Ltd. There are calls for Channel Nine and clubs Parramatta and Newcastle to sack him from commentary and coaching roles.
''That's got nothing to do with me, whatever happens to Joey's future,'' Tahu said. ''I have spoken to Joey and I hope to speak to him again very soon in the future … and hopefully we can get a positive outcome out of this.''
Tahu, who will return to Eels' training today, hit back at a whispering campaign by some within the game who suggested he is ''soft, weak and too sensitive''. He said he hoped to play for the Blues again.
''I am my own man and it took me a couple of days to think about my decision and I did it,'' Tahu said. ''I love playing for my state, I have told everyone before that I am passionate about playing for my state. I love putting on the Blues' jersey, it's the biggest thing probably in my career.
''But I am getting on with my life and hopefully there is a positive outcome we can get out of this. I have had a lot of support, a lot of text messages, a lot of phone calls and I thank everyone for giving me their support and sticking behind me.''
O'Davis said Tahu had become sick of the racial abuse in the game and decided to take a stand. ''Timana has heard all this before and has had it said to his face a heap of times,'' O'Davis told Rugby League Week. ''It went on and really affected Owen Craigie's career at the Knights, even to the point where the remarks aimed at him forced him to get out of the club.
''And Timana has copped a lot because of the colour of his skin over the years too and he thought, 'That's it, I'm going to take a stand'.
''Timana is very passionate about his heritage and he has decided to stand his ground on something that he has probably heard too much of.''

Good stuff Timana, so proud of your guts against a wanker like Johns . C'mon Osborne, show some guts as well!

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Mark, I'm not up for a fight nor did I go on the attack.

Please explain mate....?
I find that a very strange post. Everyone else has been able to discuss.... :?

Suity

Have to agree with Suity here. You asked him how he would handle the situation if it were him in charge in a similar situation and he by simply told you what he'd do. I don't see how you can call that as an attack at all, let alone an agressive one. Nonsensical reply on your behalf MITS. Mediation is at least a starting point... even if it's just internal.

I found it aggressive tbh.
It's unlike Mark to come in on a discussion like this with such aggression.
Looks like he was just trying to pick a fight imo.
Dunno why? :?

Suity

All of this, smacks of people who have never been vilified for who they are, personally I don't know Eels Dude, but I do know you Suity and for the most part I can't see you stepping out if the WASP profile, the one group of people that can be vilified with absolute impunity but hardly ever are publicly. Now I am sure you have had hard times in your life but I sincerely doubt that you have know vilification personally.

Racial vilification is vilification at the top of its game, I have personally seen vilification and have seen how it has affected people in my "Family" of friends for their life choices (religion) and who they are (sexuality). But racial vilification is not about a choice you have made like I have noted above, but is about your linage, and not only insults the person, but all of their relatives back through time. Something that keeps a number of cultures strong.

Education is one step, but you often find weather contrite about it or not, the ability to racial vilify someone is not an attitude that can be quickly changed, an attitude that mediation could swiftly fix. Mediation is more about keeping the attitude and smoothing over everyone else’s feelings. Mediation would mean that Joey wouldn't call someone a black c in front of anyone at Parramatta and that would allow him to mind his P's and Q's, but that isn't about tackling racial vilification that is about plastering over it. You want to fight racial vilification then people need to understand that there are consequences to their actions, they need to see and feel those consequences, then have a good long look at themselves in the mirror to understand the hurt they have caused. Again not something that could work with mediation, it requires time and harsh penalties.

Personally my solution to this, is to fire Andrew Johns for the rest of the season, and tell him publicly when we do so that we might re-acquire his services in the future if he can be seen to have changed his ways and his attitudes towards other races.

Probably still sh*tty that we played Germany with no genuine strikers, and I dont blame him.

No that just bemused me, so much so that after 25 minutes and 2 goals I called it a night. TBH it was far more entertaining watching Webber get 5th in Canada beforehand.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

More reasons to straight out sack the prick.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ix-codes-culture-of-racism-20100615-ydcr.html

Good stuff Timana, so proud of your guts against a wanker like Johns . C'mon Osborne, show some guts as well!

good stuff O' Davis

 

[fish eel]

Mark, I respect your post but you miss the point of mediation.

It's generally not about smoothing anything over.

It's about confronting someone with the real and personal consequences of their actions.

It also does not mean you can't then boot someone

 

[parra-matters]

every man and his dog is coming out now.
But again why was Johns this protected species for year? I bet no one was game to say a bad word about him in his playing days.
His name is Mud now.
He isn't protected anymore and has to face his actions on his own.

 

[Suitman]

Mark, I respect your post but you miss the point of mediation.

It's generally not about smoothing anything over.

It's about confronting someone with the real and personal consequences of their actions.

It also does not mean you can't then boot someone

Agreed.
My take on Mark's post was that he was suggesting I was defending John's. Not in the slightest.
I happen to think that mediation can be of great benefit to all concerned - even Tahu for that matter, but ultimately, if Parra still decide to terminate John's contract after going down that path, I'd be happy for that as well.
He certainly needs to suffer the consequences of his words. I'd just like to think that some good could come from it as well. I entertained the thought of him doing some anti - racial vilivication work several pages ago.

Telling him to piss off and not come back does absolutely nothing to address the issue.

Suity

 

[lingard]

Agreed.
My take on Mark's post was that he was suggesting I was defending John's. Not in the slightest.
I happen to think that mediation can be of great benefit to all concerned - even Tahu for that matter, but ultimately, if Parra still decide to terminate John's contract after going down that path, I'd be happy for that as well.
He certainly needs to suffer the consequences of his words. I'd just like to think that some good could come from it as well. I entertained the thought of him doing some anti - racial vilivication work several pages ago.

Telling him to piss off and not come back does absolutely nothing to address the issue.

Suity

I think it would do a lot, Suity. I think it would show all the aboriginal/ polynesian players at Parramatta that we will not have someone like Johns at our club. It would show a hell of a lot of support for those players, and send a strong messge. Any other action than giving him the arse could, all too easily, be construed as brushing it under the carpet, turning a blind eye, etc. And that`s exactly what has happened when white Australian institutions have had this problem exposed in the past. We have to support our own indigenous/islander players. And do you really think that - especially in light of these new allegations by Robbie O`Davis - the players would be comfortable working with Johns now, anyway? I doubt it. Fui would probably smack him one!