Expansion 10 years away: Gallop

[LESStar58]

This makes no sense. Murdoch and Ribots "vision" was for a national competition when they started Super League hence Perth and Adelaide. Now theres a News Limited cronie in charge of the leage who has basically said no to expansion for 10 years! Kind of defeats the purpose of what Murdoch started in 1995!

There wouldn't be any of this talk of "no expansion" if the likes of an Arthurson or Quayle were running the game!

 

[Perth Red]

FFS 18 months ago he was saying he could "envisage" a Perth team in the comp by 2012, now he's saying not until 2017. Bet the WARL (and the backers they are courting) are really impressed!

Way to go Gallop! Instead of pushing the idea that a National comp will bring more money into the game he goes with the tried (tired) and tested we can't afford it (despite the league announcing record sponsorship deals!).

The guy is a nightmare and I'm sorry but idiot would be too kind a description! RU managed to get public and business support, develop a succesful bid and launch a hugely succesful franchise in Perth in the space of 4 years. Is RL really that weak a game????:evil:

 

[Lockyer4President!]

why would we want someone that doesnt actually like Rugby League?!

what we need is someone who has a passion for the game that has a business background ( like oneill when he joined the ARU)

O'Neill is a corporate whore, he'll sign up for whoever gives him the most money. All that should matter to the NRL is that he gets sh*t done, and done well. He is exactly what we need in charge of the game.

 

[herbert henry1908]

O'Neill is a corporate whore, he'll sign up for whoever gives him the most money. All that should matter to the NRL is that he gets sh*t done, and done well. He is exactly what we need in charge of the game.

He flat out Hates Rugby League! and has made several statements over the years to that affect. Not too mention he is one of the biggest tools god ever gave breath too.

people talk about him like he is the only decent sports administrator in this country. If he is so good why didnt he get a national club comp running in all his years in charge at the ARU?! how about getting any of the sports he ran on to free tv?

he has the sum total of 1 years experience running a club comp , he has simply never proven himself at this level.

We want people in charge that have the business acumen but also a passion and understanding of where our game and its fans are coming from.

 

[KalgoorlieRed]

Do the AFL pay Galloping's wages or what? What sort of sport administrator would be so crazy to make a public statement that brings joy to the AFL?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

He flat out Hates Rugby League! and has made several statements over the years to that affect. Not too mention he is one of the biggest tools god ever gave breath too.

people talk about him like he is the only decent sports administrator in this country. If he is so good why didnt he get a national club comp running in all his years in charge at the ARU?! how about getting any of the sports he ran on to free tv?

he has the sum total of 1 years experience running a club comp , he has simply never proven himself at this level.

We want people in charge that have the business acumen but also a passion and understanding of where our game and its fans are coming from.

Who would you rather have as CEO?

 

[shaggy]

not really suprised by this, last year when gallop was in adelaide when they announced the game between the panthers & storm he said that expansion would not happen any time in the immediate future, guess the reds will be playin in the jim beam cup for a while then which can only a good thing

as for the afl going to central coast/newcastle not goin to happen, the afl want and will have a second team in sydney, which im guessin will be the magpies (since eddie allready lives here), no nrl team needs the money to relocate or will want to relocate

manly - large junior area, geographically makes sense but have inected funds into brookie so cant c it happenn + delmage
souths - have unlimited funds now from the new holmes a court/crowe ownership + strong jnuor ara
roosters- could be a possibility considerin they have no junior area but cant really see it hapenin considerin their funds
bulldogs- could see it as a fresh start after the dramas of years past but have a pretty strong bottom dollar and also a trong junior area
parra- huge junior area + backed by a huge leagues club
penrith - see parra
dragons - allready a joint team so cover a large area, have injected funds to upgrade oki jubilee
cronulla - would make the most sense geographically considerin their between st george & illawara & at one stage were considering using the rips juniors as their own before linking up with newtown but have invested alot of money in recent years upgrading their facilites
wests tigers, cover huge area, strong juniors, no reason to move

 

[Chachi]

...the afl want and will have a second team in sydney, which im guessin will be the magpies (since eddie allready lives here...

:lol: :lol:
Funny stuff

:lol:

:lol:

 

[herbert henry1908]

Who would you rather have as CEO?

To be honest i dont have anyone in mind , but i doubt many people do. David gallop was plucked from relative obscurity so i would imagine there is a pretty good chance we wont of heard of the next guy either.

All i know is talk of John Oneill is pointless anyway , he may be a corporate whore but one thing i can guarantee is he will never run the NRL.

 

[Azkatro]

The only way a team will sit on the Central Coast is if a Sydney team relocates. You all bleat about expansion but complain that there's not ANOTHER team, some of you want another two, in NSW. The Central Coast already had a team but they voted with their team and lost their chance. Because of that, how stupid would an existing Sydney-based NRL football club need to be to try that again?

There is only one way expansion can move forward, and that is via the further culling of Sydney teams.

 

[badav]

Pal, I have never met a Lawyer who was EVER an idiot.

Retract that statement, because it is YOU who looks an idiot.

I saw a Business Lawyer the other day, on personal grounds....on top of a VERY attractive annual salary, the fellow gets paid over one thousand dollars an hour when working with clients. Its not yours or mines business so I am not sure of the exact amount.

Do powerful, rich men, pay idiots a grand an hour....to work like an idiot, and be an idiot? No. Consider this: they would pay you nothing.

Pull yourself back into reality man!

Apparently. Everybody on this forum is smarter than David Gallop, and could do a perfect job running the NRL:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dave Q - Western NSW would not have the player, or supporter base to sustain a team. They wouldnt last a season in the top grade. Just because certain areas do not have geographic represenatation, does not warrant just plonking a team there.

A second NZ team. Werent the warriors asking the NRL for financial assistance last season? Havent they already gone bankrupt once since entering the comp? If New Zealand can barely financially support one team, how one earth are they going to support two?? Their home crowds are fairly poor. A 2nd NZ team shouldnt even be on the long term cards.

The same goes for adelaide and perth. If it is not viable in the short term to put teams there (ie they cannot financially support themselves) then why bother? Who wants to see a 20 team competition with 5 teams on the brink every year? How stupid??

All i can gather from that article is that their short term plan is to spend more money on salary cap increases and club grants as opposed to expansion. Some people on here need to get their head around the idea that there is not unlimited money within the NRL or any business. Some ideas have to be pushed away in favour of others.

 

[Quidgybo]

A second NZ team. Werent the warriors asking the NRL for financial assistance last season? Havent they already gone bankrupt once since entering the comp?

A lot of clubs have gone bankrupt since the Warriors entered the comp. A war as damaging as SL was for the game tends to do that. But given that a war as financially damaging as that is a rare thing in any sport, it is pretty much common sense to discount the evidence of that period when considering the viabliltity of teams in more normal times.

If New Zealand can barely financially support one team, how one earth are they going to support two?? Their home crowds are fairly poor. A 2nd NZ team shouldnt even be on the long term cards.

Don't mistake financial mismanagement for lack of viability. They are most certainly not the same thing. Even the most financially blessed of teams could be run into the ground by bad management. We've seen how successful the Warriors can be for the game both in the club arena in 2001/2002, and in the international arena with the history making Tri-Nations win in 2005. And we see the ongoing value that the presence of a New Zealand team has for the NRL in the television rights market (an extra $12m per year on top of Australian rights - certainly more than what it'd take to prop up two teams). A second New Zealand team, with a market of its own (ie. not cutting into the Warriors primary Auckland market) is not going to undermine the Warriors or that team's huge potential. A second team will only expand the profile and reach of RL and help push the game in New Zealand to even greater heights.

The same goes for adelaide and perth. If it is not viable in the short term to put teams there (ie they cannot financially support themselves) then why bother?

Because you look beyond the five minute view of the world and see what could be with a bit of hard work. No pain, no gain. The AFL worked this out twenty years ago. Sydney and Brisbane teams weren't viable when they were introduced or for many years afterwards. But by being on the ground in the markets, fighting to build a base and supporting the teams through the tough times they've built viability. And now they have national market reach and are reaping the financial rewards of that while RL is still in-fighting over expansion to Gosford! Places like Perth won't just one day suddenly become viable markets for RL because we do some junior development. There are too many other sports with teams on the ground fighting for the hearts, minds and wallets. The only way you'll ever get there is to say "this is worth it for our game, even if it takes twenty years". And then get on the ground with a team, fight for your share of the market, and support it through thick and thin until it finally is able to stand on its own two feet.

Leigh.

 

[Front-Rower]

Apparently. Everybody on this forum is smarter than David Gallop, and could do a perfect job running the NRL:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dave Q - Western NSW would not have the player, or supporter base to sustain a team. They wouldnt last a season in the top grade. Just because certain areas do not have geographic represenatation, does not warrant just plonking a team there.

A second NZ team. Werent the warriors asking the NRL for financial assistance last season? Havent they already gone bankrupt once since entering the comp? If New Zealand can barely financially support one team, how one earth are they going to support two?? Their home crowds are fairly poor. A 2nd NZ team shouldnt even be on the long term cards.

The same goes for adelaide and perth. If it is not viable in the short term to put teams there (ie they cannot financially support themselves) then why bother? Who wants to see a 20 team competition with 5 teams on the brink every year? How stupid??

All i can gather from that article is that their short term plan is to spend more money on salary cap increases and club grants as opposed to expansion. Some people on here need to get their head around the idea that there is not unlimited money within the NRL or any business. Some ideas have to be pushed away in favour of others.

Thats 100% correct.

20 team competition would also be bringing the quality of the competition down due to players playing way out of their depth.

 

[Dragonwest]

A W.A. team could have been viable if not for the Western Force starting up, so I think we've missed the boat a bit there unless that side miraculously dies in the arse with the rest of the union comp.

I really dont see the force as a negative to the Reds in WA. The super14's is an autumn comp that has created a lot of interest in rugby. I went to the force game last night and it was ok if it wasnt for the million stoppages. I guarantee if any of those 30 000 then followed on to watch a League match after the Force season (which is very likely) they'd soon realise the superiour code to watch.

The Force can support the Reds by helping the simple minded afl freaks over here be exposed to rugby and actually realise there is two codes of rugby and that airal pingpong isnt everything.

 

[Quidgybo]

20 team competition would also be bringing the quality of the competition down due to players playing way out of their depth.

Who said anything about a 20 team comp? That's decades away. The next step we're looking at expansion wise is a 17 or 18 team comp with potentially two of those teams being from NZ. That'd still only mean 16 Australian teams (incidentally the same number the AFL manage to support in the Australian market) which is back to exactly what we had in the supposed golden years of 1988-1994.

Leigh.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Who said anything about a 20 team comp? That's decades away. The next step we're looking at expansion wise is a 17 or 18 team comp with potentially two of those teams being from NZ. That'd still only mean 16 Australian teams (incidentally the same number the AFL manage to support in the Australian market) which is back to exactly what we had in the supposed golden years of 1988-1994.

Leigh.

Exactly , expanding to NZ brings with it a massive player market that allows another avenue for talented young kiwis to play professional sport.

I'd imagine a wellington based team would only have a a few aussies in the team.

and it has the added bonus of adding further strength to the national team.

 

[Knightmare]

The only way a team will sit on the Central Coast is if a Sydney team relocates. You all bleat about expansion but complain that there's not ANOTHER team, some of you want another two, in NSW. The Central Coast already had a team but they voted with their team and lost their chance. Because of that, how stupid would an existing Sydney-based NRL football club need to be to try that again?

There is only one way expansion can move forward, and that is via the further culling of Sydney teams.

Oh PLEASE. :roll: You aren't seriously trying to tell us that the Northern Eagles even came close to resembling a home team? They only existed because the Bears were screwed over and Manly needed a safe-house for a couple of years before returning to Brookvale for good. That was their plan all along.

 

[badav]

A second New Zealand team, with a market of its own (ie. not cutting into the Warriors primary Auckland market) is not going to undermine the Warriors or that team's huge potential. A second team will only expand the profile and reach of RL and help push the game in New Zealand to even greater heights.

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Introducing a second team into New Zealand without encroaching onto the warriors market is certainly easier said than done i am sure. The warriors are the auckland warriors no longer. They are the New Zealand warriors. And the fact is they do not have great crowds, and Rugby League over there is not what it is here.

Having one team in New Zealand is essential for the game, but trying to introduce a second one i am sure would jeapordise the existance of both, atleast any time in the near future. The playing talent may be there but do you really think they would have a supporter base? think of things like leagues club revenue, merchandise sales, ticket sales. They would not be there.

Pouring money into clubs running at a loss with a long term goal of them being able to stand on their feet, is that what the game needs now? i would rather see the existing competition improved.

 

[t-ba]

They aren't the NZ Warriors. Just 'The Warriors'. They were called the 'New Zealand Warriors' in a couple of press releases when Cullen took over before becoming 'The Warriors' for the 2001 season.

New Zealand is a big place, and a club based in Wellington and the South Island won't affect the Warriors crowds substantially. South of the Bombays, they aren't very popular, so it gives the non-Aucklanders a chance to follow a team, and a great derby fixture.

 

[aarondoyle]

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Introducing a second team into New Zealand without encroaching onto the warriors market is certainly easier said than done i am sure. The warriors are the auckland warriors no longer. They are the New Zealand warriors. And the fact is they do not have great crowds, and Rugby League over there is not what it is here.

Saying that a team in Wellington would negatively affect the Warriors crowds, is like saying having a team in Brisbane would negatively affect the crowds of a team in Sydney. They won't lose any crowd numbers, because people from Wellington aren't making the 4 hours long car ride to Auckland every weekend. The Warriors crowds are from Auckland. A Wellington teams crowds would be from Wellington.

Now diluting sponsorship opportunities, that's a possibility. Of course I still say Perth and Wellington; 2012.