Expansion voting.

[El Diablo]

argh put in the wrong box #-o

WA and Ipswich, not CC and Ipswich

 

[Von]

I agree with most of what Jason Maher has said above.

My views for expansion:

1. Perth…a must. I think most on this forum agree. And given all 16 CEOs voted to support them this week, that will only give impotence and encouragement to their bid. They will really now be able to ramp up by signing more members and more importantly corporate sponsors. The 2 hour time difference will great for live Friday double headers and also for Saturday night triple headers (Auckland, East Coast, West Coast).

2. A second Brisbane team …IS A MUST. The Broncos monopoly is a joke, a selfish joke. It stills disgusts me they were able to conjure up a 5 year “no other SE Qld team” deal in the ARL/SL peace talks. What right did they have! Grrrr. I don’t know too much about the geographical and social aspects of South/West Brisbane, Logan, Ipswich. All I know is a city of virtually 2 million people with the best stadium in the country should have 2 teams with the stadium being used every week. For Broncos, it will actually be a positive not a negative. Rivalries build interest and dollars. (Look at Mundine…he knows he makes $$$ whether people love him or hate him).

3. Central Coast Bears….as one who used to live 5 minutes from North Sydney Oval, their removal from the comp is a blight on the game. We need a CC team, and the restoration of the Bears would deliver this and also return the Northern Suburbs of Sydney an NRL team. Having said that I do agree with some on this forum that there are too many “Sydney” teams (including CC here). As some have said, we need to reduce the Sydney teams by 1, then bring in CCB. But who?

We all know the team in the firing line….Cronulla. They have little fans, little money, no premierships and are wedged between 2 big regions of St.George & Illawarra. Not to mention the fact they have been bailed out financially a number of times over the years. They sold their soul to SL, they didn’t care other Sydney teams died, so I won’t shed a tear if and when they go. But will they go? Will their real estate development save them? Will Manly stay long term? If the Bears come in, Manly is DOOMED!

 

[BDGS]

Manly is safe as houses if the Central Coast comes in. Capitalising words isn't going to change anything.

Manly are already spending time and money in the Sunshine Coast. When the Bears come into the Competition manly will cover both Manly-Warringah and the Sunshine Coast. They could even play about 4 games up there while still holding onto the very financial rewarding local derby against the Bears at Brookie and the away derby. Manly will become our first NRL team to partially relocate and that is a great thing.

 

[BDGS]

Interesting to note, just when the poll looked like dieing with WA and CC at 49% a boost is enjected to get that option to massive favourites at 51%. Far out in front of any other option.
This forum is very diverse and reaches a lot of different demographics and a large number of supporters, so it is safe to declare that



The people have spoken.

 

[dgsfan]

Great points Godda and Von!

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Im sorry RnBBear, but you didn't address the issue at all. (Keep in mind, I voted for the CCBears and WAReds and stick by that)

How exactly ($$ wise) will the Bears add value to the competition over Ipswich and Perth?

You told us that the Bears are well backed, and the people want it, but the decision whether to admit teams is going to be based on money for current clubs.

So, when it comes to the crunch of it all, when the IC ask your bid team "How can you add financial value to the competition?" The answer will be?

(you may have answered this before but I cant seem to find it, and I think you gave me a similar response that you gave Goddo)

 

[dgsfan]

Problem is, the people won't be having a say. 51%? Far cry from the 80% you quoted a few days ago... like an online forum means anything anyway.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Interesting to note, just when the poll looked like dieing with WA and CC at 49% a boost is enjected to get that option to massive favourites at 51%. Far out in front of any other option.
This forum is very diverse and reaches a lot of different demographics and a large number of supporters, so it is safe to declare that



The people have spoken.

Yes but its fair to say that most people on this forum are making decision based on heart rather then logic. Myself included.

 

[BDGS]

Great points Godda and Von!

Pretty much anyone that says what you want on any grounds is great aye?
:lol:

 

[BDGS]

Yes but its fair to say that most people on this forum are making decision based on heart rather then logic. Myself included.

The NRL promotes Rugby League as the people's game, here is the NRL's chance to prove that the people do make the big decisions and be completely different to the AFL scum.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The NRL promotes Rugby League as the people's game, here is the NRL's chance to prove that the people do make the big decisions and be completely different to the AFL scum.

That's delusional.

 

[docbrown]

The people have spoken.

Yeah but the poll doesn't close till 2024!

 

[PaulyTom]

Criteria for the NRL bids

I have come up with a criteria for the the NRL to judge each bid. I have then rated each bid from 1 to 5 in 6 key criteria. I have then added the totals and the team with the lowest total is deemed to have the best bid. I have given double weighting of the 'Add Value to TV deal' criteria as I think this is what will drive expansion this time around. Clubs need to be self sufficient and a bigger TV deal means more money for clubs.

Add value to TV deal-
1. W.A
2. Ipswich
3. C.Q
4. C.C
5. PNG

W.A win this hand down, time difference will work perfectly for the NRL. Both QLD bids will also add strength with the ability to have a QLD game live every Friday night adding to the contract value. PNG is the great unknown, it is still very unclear on what value the team could add with PNG TV.

Stadium-
1. C.C
2. W.A
3. Ipswich
4. PNG
5. C.Q


Ipswich playing at Suncorp will be like Penrith's home ground being SFS. Not sure it will work. Plans need to be to build a 20-30K stadium in Ipswich. PNG stadium plan is slightly ahead of C.Q as the stadium design is already set as PNG is hosting the Pacific Games. C.Q has had backing from the State Government for a new stadium if the C.Q franchise gains entry to the NRL. C.C have a great boutique stadium ready for use, the capacity is perfect for the team. W.A will play out of the NIB stadium which is earmarked for a major refurb.

Player base/ Juniors infrastructure -
1. PNG
2.
3. Tied C.Q, C.C, Ipswich
4.
5. W.A

PNG definitely has the highest participation rate, however the standard needs to be improved to make the pathway to the NRL streamlined. I've placed them at no.1 purely based on numbers. C.C , Ipswich and C.Q are all heartland areas and there is very little between them. Ipswich numbers are watered down due to the Broncos factor, most of the target market are aligned with the Broncos.
W.A have a lot of work to do in this area. Currently there is only a hand full of Junior and senior teams. W.A will need to work hard to fight for talent in a AFL dominated state.

Corporate Support-
1. C.C
2. W.A
3. C.Q
4. PNG
5. Ipswich

It is unclear at this stage on where the funding for the Ipswich team is going to come from. I believe they have started their run far too late. C.C , W.A and C.Q have a far stronger support from Corporates.

Community Support-
1. C.C
2. C.Q
3. W.A
4. PNG
5. Ipswich

C.C and W.A have already built a solid membership. W.A have impressed with the hosting of trials and 1 NRL game per year. C.C crowds have been mixed but the feeling is that once they get their own team the Central Coast area will turn up in their droves. PNG team would have the biggest fan base and would would fill the stadium 3 times over. Huge question marks over whether it can translate into a viable franchise with the difference in ticket prices. We have heard little from the Ipswich bid so far so it is hard to gauge what the people of Ipswich really think. Once again the Ipswich bid is still very premature.

Viability-
1. C.C
2. W.A
3. C.Q
4. Ipswich
5. PNG

Business plan has yet to be released for the Ipswich bid. So hard for me to comment. C.C on paper have a very developed Business plan are very proactive on growing there business trying to harness the North Sydney Business district to grow corporate support. The only ?? is there to many Sydney region clubs fighting over corporate support to keep the clubs viable?
W.A have a solid business plan but will need to work hard to win over support in the West. A winning team and building a strong supporter base will be essential for survival. CQ have backing from major players in the mining sector. Is this a long term viable business plan. I'm not sure.
PNG will have no problems attracting fans, corporate support. The struggle will be safety , travel distance and attracting players to live in Port Moresby.

FINAL RESULTS of who should be the next sucessful bid/s.
1. C.C 15
2. WA 16
3. C.Q 22
4. Ipswich 24
5. PNG 27

Ipswich bid will definitely grow in momentum over the next 3 months. It was definitely the hardest bid to judge as no Business plan has been rolled out.

Next question will be will the NRL submit 2 teams in the same year.

 

[BDGS]

That's delusional.

Is it?

Or is it just something different?

Yeah but the poll doesn't close till 2024!

Good thing a decision will already be made by then mate. :sarcasm:

 

[Perth Red]

How do you get that the CQ has bigger community support than WA? If so why no membership drive and when was the last time they got 15k to a game up there? It may be RL heartland but their population is so small and diverse that in terms of numbers you could argue that WA is actually better supported at this time.

 

[BDGS]

How do you get that the CQ has bigger community support than WA? If so why no membership drive and when was the last time they got 15k to a game up there? It may be RL heartland but their population is so small and diverse that in terms of numbers you could argue that WA is actually better supported at this time.

Isn't their stadium something like 9,000 capacity?

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Is it?

Or is it just something different?

You think that the NRL or the IC will decide which expansion bid gets accepted based on emotion and spite towards the AFL = delusion.

 

[bobmar28]

On the occasions I've asked people from Liverpool, they've always said it's Tigers territory. Obviously I've been catching the Tigers fans. ;-)

As for Ipswich, they are in no way a guaranteed success. If any new team should have been, purely based on the population base it had to draw from, it would have been the Crushers. Also note the Titans succeeded where the Seagulls failed miserably.

Ipswich are going to have to do the hard work the Titans did if they want to be a success, and they'd be wise to look west to Toowoomba and the Lockyer Valley and east to Logan and possibly even the Redland Bay area. They have to get the community involved if they want to have a hope in hell of standing up to the Broncos. Make sure they get some serious corporate money behind the bid, and then promote the hell out of it across SEQ. Have membership drives ala the Bears and Reds, organise regular fan days with plenty of fun and free stuff for the kiddies in Toowoomba, Gatton, Ipswich, Logan, and Cleveland (and anywhere in-between, and even in Brisbane if they dare), create and maintain a decent website, offer free e-memberships, have votes (like the Titans did, which I participated in incidentally) for the team name, colours, and jersey (and invite fan submissions for the design of the latter), create a cheap junior membership program. Basically think otuside the square, and work hard to win the local community and local business support. Money and kids are the keys. Money secures the club at start-up, winning the kids secures the clubs future.

On this point the Titans failed with their high ticket prices. Should have let kids in for $3 like AFL does and they would be rusted on fans today.

 

[bobmar28]

Keep telling yourself that.

The Bears are building a great bid with a great business model. If we get in it will not be because of the halfcracked reasons you mentioned. It'll will be on the back of the financial support, community support and the business support that the CCBEARS have achieved.

We are in a unique position to have a deep pool of fans and players amongst sponsors and private backers. Memberships alone is a great indication of how popular a club is and without an actual team, our membership numbers are impressive.

This Sydney has too many teams non sense doesn't apply to the Bears.. much like it doesn't apply to Newcastle, Canberra or St.George Illawarra.

Judging by the votes here, the people have spoken.

BTW your signature has Ipswich-Logan Jets.. who the are they? Have I missed something? Because last time I checked, there was no definite name or area yet for the Jet's bid besides Ipswich (stand alone). I also see that the Jets bid is the only bid to have no local residents on board as part of the bid team. They have Ribot in the shadows and a former Rooster....

Back to the CCBears, sure there is more work to be done and we acknowledge that. But while we are working our backsides off in the community, a couple of other bids have yet to leave the boardroom or even drawing board. Time is of the essence and the NRL has the opportunity to get a bumper TV deal regardless of admitting W.A. and bid #2. Therefore with such a short time span, it's important to have established your identity by now. Once an identity is in place, then it's time to get sponsors and finally members.

For 2 months now some people on this board have gone on about how the Jets bid is great. For 2 months now the Jets bid has yet to leave the drawing plans with further delays expected. I seriously believe that I could talk the Dolphins into bidding for a license and have them more prepared then the Jets are within a month. But I'm a CCBears advocate and as such will continue pushing for their promotion into the NRL until we have achieved that goal.

Go the Bears!!

What the votes show is substantial support for the Jets and that, imo, would be enough to get them a franchise if they have financial and community support.

 

[bobmar28]

One eyed? Mate I'd say I know more about every current bid (except for WAREDS) then most people on here. Ipswich isn't a threat to the CC. Much like CQ isn't a threat to W.A.

Only 2 NRL clubs don't want the Bears and they're on shaky ground due to their own managerial problems. But i could really care less about going around in circles with you and the other Ipswich troopers (who ironically don't live there and by the sounds of it never have been there).

I can walk into Jet's Leagues club or the CCBears HQ when I want and get my information from the source. I don't need to assume what others think. I know where the CCBears bid is currently at and I also know where the Jets bid is currently at. What you read in tabloids is far from the truth and if you want real information may I suggest you, dgsfan, bobmar and others actually contact the Jets and the Bears to hear for yourselves about their current situations or better yet travel to Ipswich and the CC and have a chat with the locals.

If you expect me to believe that Queenslanders or Ipswich residents would rather see an 11th NSW team come in ahead of a 4th QLD one you must be crazy.