FA Cup

[Mong]

I didn't actually say that bad decisions shouldn't attract blame. To think that shows you missed the point.

 

[saint.nick]

I didn't actually say that bad decisions shouldn't attract blame. To think that shows you missed the point.

"those players only have themselves to blame". I see your point, and it's wrong. Officials shouldn't be influenced by the past whatsoever, unless he's judging whether a player deserves a yellow. He needs to judge only what's in front of him. Suarez isn't perfect, but he's cut down on a lot of that type of that stuff in the past 1 or 2 seasons or so. Fact is whether Suarez dived in the past or not, Webb was an absolute tool for waving that away.

 

[BunniesMan]

"those players only have themselves to blame". I see your point, and it's wrong. Officials shouldn't be influenced by the past whatsoever, unless he's judging whether a player deserves a yellow. He needs to judge only what's in front of him. Suarez isn't perfect, but he's cut down on a lot of that type of that stuff in the past 1 or 2 seasons or so. Fact is whether Suarez dived in the past or not, Webb was an absolute tool for waving that away.

I disagree.

Divers need to be punished. Football Associations are not doing enough to do it. So if the only consequence is that divers get reputations then that's better than no consequences at all. It might make people less likely to do it in the future.

 

[Game_Breaker]

"those players only have themselves to blame". I see your point, and it's wrong. Officials shouldn't be influenced by the past whatsoever, unless he's judging whether a player deserves a yellow. He needs to judge only what's in front of him. Suarez isn't perfect, but he's cut down on a lot of that type of that stuff in the past 1 or 2 seasons or so. Fact is whether Suarez dived in the past or not, Webb was an absolute tool for waving that away.

If divers have reputations that influence referees then of course they are to blame.

The referees aren't perfect, and because Suarez cried wolf so many times in the past, it has come back to bite him in the ass (pun very much intended)

 

[saint.nick]

I disagree.

Divers need to be punished. Football Associations are not doing enough to do it. So if the only consequence is that divers get reputations then that's better than no consequences at all. It might make people less likely to do it in the future.

That's bullshit. If you want to punish divers, do it on the spot with harsher penalties than a yellow card, rather than waiting till later after the damage has already been done.

 

[Twizzle]

problem is thats impossible

you need video replay, refs are just not up to it

 

[saint.nick]

If divers have reputations that influence referees then of course they are to blame.

The referees aren't perfect, and because Suarez cried wolf so many times in the past, it has come back to bite him in the ass (pun very much intended)

No, referees aren't meant to be influenced like that at all. It's their job to be impartial. If there's a clear penalty, yet the referee favours the offender just because he thinks the victim is a diver, he's showing bias.

 

[saint.nick]

problem is thats impossible

you need video replay, refs are just not up to it

Another argument for why we need to introduce replays Exactly, referees are not up to it, as shown in that FA cup tie.

 

[BunniesMan]

That's bullshit. If you want to punish divers, do it on the spot with harsher penalties than a yellow card, rather than waiting till later after the damage has already been done.

The majority of dives are not 100% certain from the refs POV. Imagine if he gave a red to somebody who was actually taken down.

In my opinion every game needs to be reviewed. If a dive is seen give a 3 game suspension. Then double it if the same player ever offends again. And keep doubling it until they get the message.

I guarantee that would be the end of diving within a season.

 

[saint.nick]

The majority of dives are not 100% certain from the refs POV. Imagine if he gave a red to somebody who was actually taken down.

In my opinion every game needs to be reviewed. If a dive is seen give a 3 game suspension. Then double it if the same player ever offends again. And keep doubling it until they get the message.

I guarantee that would be the end of diving within a season.

Fair enough, but I disagree that punishing them through not giving them penalties further along the line in the season is the answer. But I do agree with your solution you just stated

 

[Game_Breaker]

No, referees aren't meant to be influenced like that at all. It's their job to be impartial. If there's a clear penalty, yet the referee favours the offender just because he thinks the victim is a diver, he's showing bias.

Of course they're not meant to be influenced, but it happens.

The refs are only human

 

[Twizzle]

Not letting them receive penalties is just f**king stupid.

They become fair game for anyone who want to try and break their legs legally.

Ridiculous.

 

[Mong]

No, referees aren't meant to be influenced like that at all. It's their job to be impartial. If there's a clear penalty, yet the referee favours the offender just because he thinks the victim is a diver, he's showing bias.

I think it's more just that the players history of diving puts doubt in the refs mind.

That doubt translates into some penalties not being awarded.

Which takes me back to my earlier point.

 

[saint.nick]

Of course they're not meant to be influenced, but it happens.

The refs are only human

People like bunnies man have seemed to condone referees not giving penalties even though they know they are, just because the victim has a diving history.

The odd little f*** up from a referee is fair enough, but when you continually allow yourself to be influenced by the past in the face of blatant penalties like howard webb, there is a problem, and its crosses the line between being a normal human, and being an incompetent referee.

 

[Game_Breaker]

People like bunnies man have seemed to condone referees not giving penalties even though they know they are, just because the victim has a diving history.

The odd little f*** up from a referee is fair enough, but when you continually allow yourself to be influenced by the past in the face of blatant penalties like howard webb, there is a problem, and its crosses the line between being a normal human, and being an incompetent referee.

Liverpool were lucky to have been awarded the first penalty. If those type are awarded every match, then we'll have a million penalties.

It goes both ways, If you want to criticise the refs for not awarding penalties, then you also have to critcise them for giving soft penalties, which Liverpool have benefited from on the back of Suarez.

 

[BunniesMan]

People like bunnies man have seemed to condone referees not giving penalties even though they know they are, just because the victim has a diving history.

The odd little f*** up from a referee is fair enough, but when you continually allow yourself to be influenced by the past in the face of blatant penalties like howard webb, there is a problem, and its crosses the line between being a normal human, and being an incompetent referee.

Nobody is saying refs should not give penalties when it is a genuine penalty. I'm just saying it is reasonable for refs to have a higher level of doubt when it's a Suarez or a Ashley Young.

And this only comes into play when it's those lineball penalties. Not the blatant kicks at a leg.

When someone like Suarez falls to relatively light contact it is perfectly natural for a ref to be cynical and not fall for it. It is the consequence of an earned reputation.

 

[saint.nick]

Nobody is saying refs should not give penalties when it is a genuine penalty. I'm just saying it is reasonable for refs to have a higher level of doubt when it's a Suarez or a Ashley Young.

And this only comes into play when it's those lineball penalties. Not the blatant kicks at a leg.

When someone like Suarez falls to relatively light contact it is perfectly natural for a ref to be cynical and not fall for it. It is the consequence of an earned reputation.

It's understandable to have some natural doubt, but they need to act accordingly as to what happened in front of them. If it looks clear to them that they dived, it's not a penalty. If they didn't really look like they dived, yet they assume they did, then that's wrong. Webb was a fool for being influenced like that right in front of textbook penalty.

 

[saint.nick]

Liverpool were lucky to have been awarded the first penalty. If those type are awarded every match, then we'll have a million penalties.

It goes both ways, If you want to criticise the refs for not awarding penalties, then you also have to critcise them for giving soft penalties, which Liverpool have benefited from on the back of Suarez.

It may not have been as obvious, but that penalty was definitely more than 50-50 in liverpool's favour. I've only been hearing Arsenal fans saying it was maybe dubious, just so they can cancel out the web gaffe.

 

[t-ba]

Wednesday, Charlton. Tonight.

Winner goes on to play Sheffy U for a spot in the Semi Finals.

Balls are itchy at the prospect for all of this.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Same!!

The Mighty Owls will win, then go to Bramall Lane and outsing the pigs on our way to Wembley!