FIFA 2022 WORLD CUP - NRL Support

[Gaba]

Stadium / facility upgrades worth hundred of millions..paid by govt and fifa

do you prefer crowds and sponsors play in crap stadiums...

Fifa will pay for the upgrades for the soccer only, will not pay for maintenance or any other benefit to its rival codes.

It will be up to the league clubs to pay for the maintenance



The crowds who will go to those league games, would not surprise me are the ones who will be hit with the higher prices to attend the nrl games.

Clubs and the nrl will have to charge higher prices to make profit and for maintenance

 

[DRAGONZ_RULE]

Buffalo -- what did we really need?

World Cup games were never going to be played at Penrith or Kogarah or Cronulla or Redfern ... our key stadiums (Suncorp, Melbourne, SFS, ANZ) are already where they need to be, so there wasn't much to be done.

A shiny new 50k stadium at Kogarah or Penrith makes no sense!

Perth, in contrast, sells out for both their AFL teams every week, and West Coast Eagles have multi-year waiting lists to become Members .. they NEED the stadium. Perhaps accounts for why the AFL played hard-ball, but it's not like it is the wrong decision.

 

[docbrown]

There is no real issue of cannabilisation, because the majority of the A-League season is played when the NRL/AFL are on their off-seasons.

If the World Cup happens in 2022, then for 12 years a vast majority of funding and attention will be on soccer. Money that might be spent on other sports will be spent on socer instead. Just as the government promoted the olympics for 8 years, they will be promoting soccer instead.

Just because the seasons don't overlap doesn't mean they're not in competition. Look at the major leagues in America and the comments from their sports administrators, in particular the conflicts between MLB and the NFL.

In terms of 2022, that argument is fair enough - but ultimately irrelevant. If NRL and AFL clubs have to take a 30% match-day tickets income reduction for one season, so be it ... the money gained from the WC would far outweigh that,so in economic terms, we would be much better off.

Money that will be in the government's, FIFA's & FFA's hands - not the NRL's. Yes - on the whole the tournament is beneficial to Australia - I'm not disagreeing with that at all.

I'm disagreeing with the misconception that the World Cup will have no impact on the NRL and that the sports leagues aren't in competition.

You've just admitted that it will have a direct negative financial impact on rugby league - which is my point.

The whole point of why the FFA wants the World Cup is to use FIFA & the Government's power and vast resources to place soccer at the top of Australia's sporting pyramid.

 

[chefman21]

It's very important we get this. Forget the stadiums, the NRL and sport for a moment. That is of minimal importance. It almost forces the state and federal governments to upgrade infrastructure far beyond anything we have now. It means they have to build proper train, tram and bus lines in the major cities, upgrade traffic handling facilities, employ and maintain enough qualified people to handle the crowds, such as chefs, plumbers, doctors and the like as well as provide the equipment to those people to handle an event like this. Add to that the long term tourism, foreign investment and exposure benefits and it really pushes this country along.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Buffalo -- what did we really need?

World Cup games were never going to be played at Penrith or Kogarah or Cronulla or Redfern ... our key stadiums (Suncorp, Melbourne, SFS, ANZ) are already where they need to be, so there wasn't much to be done.

A shiny new 50k stadium at Kogarah or Penrith makes no sense!

Perth, in contrast, sells out for both their AFL teams every week, and West Coast Eagles have multi-year waiting lists to become Members .. they NEED the stadium. Perhaps accounts for why the AFL played hard-ball, but it's not like it is the wrong decision.

Agree totally with your comments.

I just am sick of hearing people say that the World Cup will leave a legacy for the NRL.

It wont and it seems you agree with me....

So from what I can see, our tax payer dollars will be spent on building new stadiums for AFL fans in Perth and Adealaide...

So am I excited about the World Cup bid?

As an NRL fan, no.

 

[docbrown]

It means they have to build proper train, tram and bus lines in the major cities

Remember how the trains used to run in Sydney prior to the Olympics? Then after 2000 it was a downward slide...:?

The fact that we need a sports event in order to have an efficient transport system is just one example of what's wrong with mankind - and why we're probably all doomed.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It's very important we get this. Forget the stadiums, the NRL and sport for a moment. That is of minimal importance. It almost forces the state and federal governments to upgrade infrastructure far beyond anything we have now. It means they have to build proper train, tram and bus lines in the major cities, upgrade traffic handling facilities, employ and maintain enough qualified people to handle the crowds, such as chefs, plumbers, doctors and the like as well as provide the equipment to those people to handle an event like this. Add to that the long term tourism, foreign investment and exposure benefits and it really pushes this country along.

You mean like the Olympics did so much to improve Sydney's infrastructure?

 

[Gaba]

And look at the countries who have hosted world cup soccer, they havent been econimical sound years after it.

Yes it may boost the country for 6-9 months but there are more cons then pros.

 

[BuffaloRules]

No one seems to be mentioning the legacy of the World Cup in South Africa 5 months later....

It seems to me that they are left with some very impressive white elephant stadiums...

 

[VictoryFC]

Australia are favourites? Okay if you say so.

 

[chefman21]

You mean like the Olympics did so much to improve Sydney's infrastructure?

It was much worse previously. There are a lot of things on Infrastructure Australia's report that fall directly under what hosting a World Cup needs. It gives federal and state governments an excuse to build them and forces voters to question why they haven't been built yet.

And look at the countries who have hosted world cup soccer, they havent been econimical sound years after it.

Yes it may boost the country for 6-9 months but there are more cons then pros.

Not necessarily. The Olympics finally made Sydney a global city, and boosted tourism substantially even to this very day. Once the baby boomers start retiring, they are going to be looking for somewhere to spend money, and a World Cup may just be that excuse to put the entire country on the map.

 

[VictoryFC]

Out of interest has Soccer actually had a a big impact on other codes anywhere the WC has been held? I get the impression it didnt make much difference in South Africa and the US.

Soccer is the most popular sport in South Africa among blacks. Blacks make up 80% of the population. But they are less affluent, and sports leagues as we have seen only really thrive in economically advanced nations.

In the US? Of course it has. It now has a league thats averaging 17,000, including the numerous soccer specific stadiums that have been built. Or did you actually expect it to take over the NFL?

There is no question the World Cup has an effect on its host countries. Look at Japan, attendances are now reaching 20,000 and the sport has virtually caught up with baseball in the space of a decade.

Not to mention the upgrade in infrastructure. You underestimate the effect of building/refurbishing 8-10 new stadiums in a country. Basically, the World Cup is a blessing to any host country that gets it.

 

[VictoryFC]

And look at the countries who have hosted world cup soccer, they havent been econimical sound years after it.

Yes it may boost the country for 6-9 months but there are more cons then pros.

Which ones? You're talking out of your ***. Germany, Japan? Was the World Cup meant to propel South Africa into the first world?

 

[chefman21]

Which ones? You're talking out of your ***. Germany, Japan? Was the World Cup meant to propel South Africa into the first world?

I didn't want to bring that one up...:lol:

 

[BuffaloRules]

So what did it to for South Africa?

 

[Eels Dude]

Soccer will never be big at club level in Australia. Those that do follow soccer would rather stay up till 4am to watch an EPL match than watch an A League match in prime time. Let's face it, due to Australia's population and economy we will never have more than a 3rd rate competition here. The best Aussie soccer players are still going to go overseas where the money is which leaves the A League sub-standard.

Overall, A world Cup in Australia is a positive for rugby league. The upgrades to rectangular stadiums will benefit us while not costing the NRL or club's a cent, while the AFL won't be able to use them. On the negatives... you'd have to expect a sacrifice on the NRL season that year, either an extremely short season or quite possibly none at all. But if we do win the win than that can be negotiated.

 

[jim_57]

In their list of proposed stadium for WC use there were 6 (?) Oval/circular stadiums. Does anyone else think this might count against the bid? Not sure how much it will help NRL compared to the AFL if the AFL is getting:

4 Stadium upgrades (Perth, Adelaide, GC & Western Sydney?)

NRL:

3 Stadium upgrades (Townsville, Canberra, Newcastle)

Seems the AFL get a far better go off it considering the stadium upgrades we benifit from probably arent needed, will Townsville EVER fill a 40,000 seat stadium again?

 

[Evenflow]

In their list of proposed stadium for WC use there were 6 (?) Oval/circular stadiums. Does anyone else think this might count against the bid? Not sure how much it will help NRL compared to the AFL if the AFL is getting:

4 Stadium upgrades (Perth, Adelaide, GC & Western Sydney?)

Also a substantial upgrade to Skilled Stadium in Geelong.

 

[Eels Dude]

In their list of proposed stadium for WC use there were 6 (?) Oval/circular stadiums. Does anyone else think this might count against the bid? Not sure how much it will help NRL compared to the AFL if the AFL is getting:

4 Stadium upgrades (Perth, Adelaide, GC & Western Sydney?)

NRL:

3 Stadium upgrades (Townsville, Canberra, Newcastle)

Seems the AFL get a far better go off it considering the stadium upgrades we benifit from probably arent needed, will Townsville EVER fill a 40,000 seat stadium again?

We won't win the World Cup bid with 6 out of 12 stadiums being oval shaped... it's a requirement that a certain amount, probably up to 10 of 12, be rectangular. So any upgrades made will be to turn those stadiums into rectangular stadiums. Gold Coast more than likely, possibly ANZ even which would be great for league, and the new stadium at Blacktown will be rectangular which is a massive kick in the guts for the AFL as they're trying to get a foothold in the area. Perth and Canberra will also be getting new stadiums which no doubt will be rectangular.

 

[docbrown]

We won't win the World Cup bid with 6 out of 12 stadiums being oval shaped... it's a requirement that a certain amount, probably up to 10 of 12, be rectangular. So any upgrades made will be to turn those stadiums into rectangular stadiums. Gold Coast more than likely, possibly ANZ even which would be great for league, and the new stadium at Blacktown will be rectangular which is a massive kick in the guts for the AFL as they're trying to get a foothold in the area. Perth and Canberra will also be getting new stadiums which no doubt will be rectangular.

Didn't the WA & SA governments argue against rectangular stadiums for the bid? It will likely be upgrades to Subiaco & Football Park with temporary seating.

As for Blacktown with its additional 20,000 temporary seats - well - perhaps the A-league franchise could be called the White Elephants.

What Sydney needs is a purpose built rectangular stadium, potentially with a roof, of about 50,000 smack bang central in the heart of the city. Big enough to service 3 or 4 NRL teams, A-League and Union. The Oasis project, although not as large, was looking to be something like that before the Bulldogs mess.