Fifita

[++ Gregos v.4]

Well maybe if it gets to court The Murdoch press can say well were only publishing opinion pieces and we published both sides ... Up until Miranda devines article supporting Fifita It was an out of control witch hunt.

Anyone ever notice how police love traps and Penalties that far outway the crime ? Speed traps where a sign is partly hidden ,Mobile phone traps like the one I got caught in while waiting at lights a few yrs ago....Quick check of a message to see if I should turn right or go straight ahead due to request from a tenant .NO chance of being on the phone in traffic No more distraction than say turning on the radio. Phone down after 6 sec.max. Suddenly theres a guy in plain clothes with gun in holster cowboy style trotting across a lane of traffic towards my car (more dangerous than what I did) Luckily I didnt panic and bolt as it was a cop Shortly after I pull over to their set up trap in the adjacent parking lot to receive my lecture from a little girl in a uniform and 300 doller fine . Irony was not twenty minutes before I was behind a guy in traffic who was blabbing away on his mobile .I was thinking "Wheres a cop to book this idiot?"

Well fifita got caught in Three way crossfire of traps . Lazy cops wanting to throw book at someone to stress their One punch laws and consorting laws, rather than actually doing real police work. Media and their agendas, And NRL with theirs. Its Nanny state stuff ,but I wouldnt call it left wing or right wing,both sides of Politics use same tactics.

Wow.

Are you having a stroke?

Anyway. Moving on. Does anyone know the EXACT details of the consorting notice? Can we confirm it was definitely for Loveridge? I find that unlikely.

Who was with him when he went to the jail?

Strike Force Raptor issued the warning notice. Does anyone know what that strike force is for?

So many questions. But I'll just be lazy and continue to make sweeping generalisations based on limited information. K, cool.

For the record, I believe Fifita has been treated extremely poorly by the Media. He might be collateral damage in a much more important investigation that has nothing to do with him for reasons that the public won't get to know no matter how much we stamp our feet and pout.

 

[coolumsharkie]

Wow.

Are you having a stroke?

Anyway. Moving on. Does anyone know the EXACT details of the consorting notice? Can we confirm it was definitely for Loveridge? I find that unlikely.

Who was with him when he went to the jail?

Strike Force Raptor issued the warning notice. Does anyone know what that strike force is for?

So many questions. But I'll just be lazy and continue to make sweeping generalisations based on limited information. K, cool.

For the record, I believe Fifita has been treated extremely poorly by the Media. He might be collateral damage in a much more important investigation that has nothing to do with him for reasons that the public won't get to know no matter how much we stamp our feet and pout.

TBH I hope it's got nothing to do with the Millions of cops that turned up to a OMCG members funeral in the last week or so, f**k me gently what a complete misuse of public resources. I'll take an uneducated guess and say that the guy Fifs went to visit KL in jail with, is a gang member of some sort.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Raptor is the strike force to wipe out gangs in NSW formed after the airport brawl & death. They are not bound by any code of conduct & use any govermental department & means in order to get their targets. If used in conjunction with other departments such as the ICC , then the target has no opportunity to defend themselves as even speaking of the issue is atreasonous crime & punishable with ten years jail for even speaking of it.
Of course the cops are using fifita as collateral damage, hence the press release & subsequenct media releases.
It is the same as Asada where the cops pick a weak target that do not have rivers of money to defend themselves or have the backing of a media empire that will ensure police heads roll for breaking privacy laws.
The issue is clearly the cops. Im against gangs but not at the expense of the individual, who will always lose under the weight of litigation from unscrupulous government departments & individuals with no thought or care on individual circumstances , only their own KPI's & career advancement.

 

[BatteredFlake]

Gregos,...Obviously --if anyone in general public knew answers to those questions the speculation would cease .You have made some sweeping generalisations yourself . I know your reading and comprehension skills mightn't be so great but your conclusions mesh quite well with the what I was trying to say while babysitting a couple of three yr olds. "General public might never know"..Is that not nanny state? "Fifita might be collateral Damage" ,does that not match up with Police blowing out of proportions some offences as deterant or to publicise their powers?

 

[BatteredFlake]

Oh yeah 'treated extremely poorly by the media ..another "sweeping generalisation" Is it not same as "out of control withhunt" which actually better conveys the onesided media coverage that was pretty standard till the Devine article which contradicts previous ones in the same rag..Do You beleive that such contradictions are ok to just let slide because It is ok to keep the pouting and foot stamping little children of the general public in the dark? "Important investigations "excuse can hide all kinds of mischief from all parties.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

Raptor is the strike force to wipe out gangs in NSW formed after the airport brawl & death. They are not bound by any code of conduct & use any govermental department & means in order to get their targets. If used in conjunction with other departments such as the ICC , then the target has no opportunity to defend themselves as even speaking of the issue is atreasonous crime & punishable with ten years jail for even speaking of it.
Of course the cops are using fifita as collateral damage, hence the press release & subsequenct media releases.
It is the same as Asada where the cops pick a weak target that do not have rivers of money to defend themselves or have the backing of a media empire that will ensure police heads roll for breaking privacy laws.
The issue is clearly the cops. Im against gangs but not at the expense of the individual, who will always lose under the weight of litigation from unscrupulous government departments & individuals with no thought or care on individual circumstances , only their own KPI's & career advancement.

Reef, mate, I love you. But for once just concede you are so far out of your area of expertise it's not funny.

The only thing the cops are guilty of here are not realising they cannot ignore the PR battle that they have lost and will continue to lose.

The times have changed, but they have not. They will, I hope. I really do.

But to suggest that it's an issue of promotional self interest and career advamcement is either extremely unfair or malicious or both.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

Gregos,...Obviously --if anyone in general public knew answers to those questions the speculation would cease .You have made some sweeping generalisations yourself . I know your reading and comprehension skills mightn't be so great but your conclusions mesh quite well with the what I was trying to say while babysitting a couple of three yr olds. "General public might never know"..Is that not nanny state? "Fifita might be collateral Damage" ,does that not match up with Police blowing out of proportions some offences as deterant or to publicise their powers?

Flake, leaving the personal attacks aside for a moment I realise I may not have explained myself. The questions I was asking were rhetorical to an extent.

There are most certainly times that information, methodology and other aspects should never be disclosed to the public. I'm sorry you don't agree but it doesn't change that it's a fact.

The Morcomb debacle and the way that the investigation methodology was poorly protected means those scenarios can never be used again.

I don't think you understand that I feel sorry for Fifs. But I don't believe for a second that he was ever the target.

I'd like to know who he went to the jail with? Does anyone know? That one isn't a rhetorical or sneaky question.

I honestly don't know and I will concede absolutely if I'm off the mark.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

TBH I hope it's got nothing to do with the Millions of cops that turned up to a OMCG members funeral in the last week or so, f**k me gently what a complete misuse of public resources. I'll take an uneducated guess and say that the guy Fifs went to visit KL in jail with, is a gang member of some sort.

I reckon you're right Cools. I just wonder what else is at play.

I can't comment on the funeral you're speaking of as I don't know the specifics.

I don't have any sympathy for cowards who join OMCG though mind you.

 

[BatteredFlake]

Gregos I have no sympathy for any of the vermin that police are charged with catching or controlling ,and I understand they need clandestine tactics at times,to do a tough job. .I met an Ex cop who was there at crime scene and then Arrest of two murderers .Told me what they did , Said he and the other cops there seriously discussed killing them. I could understand why. I have no sympathy for Drug peddling Bikies either.They spread misery and ruin young kids lives.

The Tactics to catch Daniel Morcombes killer very nearly backfired,. To take it to trial they had to expose those tactics. Anyway I daresay the scumbag would be dumb enough to whine about the unfairness of it all in jail , so I doubt Police could do exact same scam anyway Just need a good actor like they had before and different story to suit the occasion.

When this Fifita stuff first broke I commented on the Police "public " warning to Fifita .Why If they were trying to protect a bigger investigation.? I couldnt resist comparing it to Broncos,but the main point was WHY did they not keep it private ? Why are there directly contradictory stories in the press. I'm Sorry but I think the public has every right to know.

Anyway I understand need to keep some things secret while an operation is underway .However Vermin love dark and secret places . If Public doesn't demand explanations when something doesnt look right .Scum like rogerson,and his mate and the band of rotten apples Queensland had in the 70s and ,80s will flourish.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

Yeah, I know what you're saying mate.

Maybe if we had a beer one day I could say a few things, give a few examples.

Anyway.. I hope Fifs stays as strong as he can and gets through what he's been put through.

 

[Defer to the coifed]

Reef, mate, I love you. But for once just concede you are so far out of your area of expertise it's not funny.

The only thing the cops are guilty of here are not realising they cannot ignore the PR battle that they have lost and will continue to lose.

The times have changed, but they have not. They will, I hope. I really do.

But to suggest that it's an issue of promotional self interest and career advamcement is either extremely unfair or malicious or both.

Hang on a second. Did Fafita release a press roll to all & Sundry he was visiting somebody in Jail? No.
Did the Cops? yes. Were they within their juristidiction ? No. Was Raptor? yes. They have no applicable code of conduct.
That leaves the why. Why Feefs. Obviously throwing a grenade on the BBQ, without any thought for fifita family.
Sorry mate, f**k em. its disgraceful.

 

[coolumsharkie]

I reckon you're right Cools. I just wonder what else is at play.

I can't comment on the funeral you're speaking of as I don't know the specifics.

I don't have any sympathy for cowards who join OMCG though mind you.

It was a Qld VLAD thing. The association laws passed are what I'm really having a shot at here. Give someone a little bit more power..... You know what I'm saying.

 

[Frenzy.]

TBH I hope it's got nothing to do with the Millions of cops that turned up to a OMCG members funeral in the last week or so, f**k me gently what a complete misuse of public resources. I'll take an uneducated guess and say that the guy Fifs went to visit KL in jail with, is a gang member of some sort.

Or perhaps it was his twin brother David who also grew up with KL? The one who suddenly up and left

 

[coolumsharkie]

Or perhaps it was his twin brother David who also grew up with KL? The one who suddenly up and left

He had no problem giving it to the powers that be through the media recently, so I'd say probably not.

 

[NrlVader]

Wow.

Are you having a stroke?

Anyway. Moving on. Does anyone know the EXACT details of the consorting notice? Can we confirm it was definitely for Loveridge? I find that unlikely.

Who was with him when he went to the jail?

Strike Force Raptor issued the warning notice. Does anyone know what that strike force is for?

So many questions. But I'll just be lazy and continue to make sweeping generalisations based on limited information. K, cool.

For the record, I believe Fifita has been treated extremely poorly by the Media. He might be collateral damage in a much more important investigation that has nothing to do with him for reasons that the public won't get to know no matter how much we stamp our feet and pout.

AF said he went with his best mate.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

Hang on a second. Did Fafita release a press roll to all & Sundry he was visiting somebody in Jail? No.
Did the Cops? yes. Were they within their juristidiction ? No. Was Raptor? yes. They have no applicable code of conduct.
That leaves the why. Why Feefs. Obviously throwing a grenade on the BBQ, without any thought for fifita family.
Sorry mate, f**k em. its disgraceful.

Mate I'm not being a dick here but I can't find the media release from the cops? Ftr I don't understand the distinction you are making between raptor and the police force.

And I agree to a certain extent about the grenade analogy. Having said that, whether they should be criticised for shaking the tree as it were, is another question. Especially when we, and I mean absolutely none of us, know what fruit fell.

So Fifs went with his best mate? I may accept that. But then that best mate has to be, by virtue of the consorting warning, a convicted offender.

Is it possible this is the cops being overly officious? Absolutely. But if we accept that without evidence we can't dismiss the alternative, that is, that it was ENTIRELY appropriate that the notice was issued.

 

[Frenzy.]

Mate I'm not being a dick here but I can't find the media release from the cops? Ftr I don't understand the distinction you are making between raptor and the police force.

And I agree to a certain extent about the grenade analogy. Having said that, whether they should be criticised for shaking the tree as it were, is another question. Especially when we, and I mean absolutely none of us, know what fruit fell.

So Fifs went with his best mate? I may accept that. But then that best mate has to be, by virtue of the consorting warning, a convicted offender.

Is it possible this is the cops being overly officious? Absolutely. But if we accept that without evidence we can't dismiss the alternative, that is, that it was ENTIRELY appropriate that the notice was issued.

Im dubious about that. Fifita asked why wasn't his best mate "done" implying he isn't convicted offender.

Also if, and it's a big if, this mate was a convicted offender he likely wouldn't be visiting a prison unless he had done his time, including parole if applicable.

The visits are prebooked and would not of even been approved anyway.

 

[myrrh ken]

My view is that the police warning is on dodgy ground because it only seems feefs visited one felon. But police were under pressure to act to discourage the rl player - bikie association after the Norman, seg, Paulo meal. Nrl no doubt happily working together. Nothing in it otherwise.

 

[Arnold]

Don't forget Hayne.

 

[Card Shark]

Too late, Hayne has been forgotten.