Folau

[Prometheus]

It is not just a debate for me Dorsai. Whether or not we sign Folau will determine whether or not I can continue to be a Dragons fan. I can't support a team if they choose to align themself with the belief that who I am is an abomination.

I don't want to lose my team.

 

[muzby]

what’s that got to do with anything? Frankly I do not care. If a person is homosexual for whatever reason it’s their business. I am not a psychologist, I have not studied the reasoning behind why people are straight or gay. People are people.

my point was I do not remember choice being part of the quote, nothing more.

Unfortunately it has everything to do with it.

Of all the things that Folau said would send people to hell, all of them bar one comes down to a choice made by the person.

The only one that isn’t a choice on that list was homosexuality.

Someone’s sexuality is something you are born with.

You can’t discriminate against someone based on something they have no control over.

So it’s very relevant.



I’m guessing by your posts tonight that you haven’t realised it by now, so hopefully with a bit of thinking & reflection on the matter you’ll understand..

 

[Willow]

The thing is this, I like a drink, I have also smoked during my life, and swore, and had sex out of marriage. Now if you take his original quote, I am 4 times more likely to go to hell than homosexuals.

It was much easier to be up and outraged over that single part of the bible quote than take the whole thing in context.

I don’t agree with him for one minute. But he has a right to speak his beliefs. As do you. As do I. As do anyone. The media beat it up as hate speech because it was like gold.

I understand you have your opinion, no worries, but let’s look at the football and not judge him for his beliefs.

Sure, let's put it in context.

When it comes to violent backlash from hate speech, who do you think has the greater reason for concern?

Atheists, adulters, drinkers or gays?

The LGBT community has every reason to be concerned about hate speech. It wasn't that long ago that violence against them was common and police turned a blind eye. The crimes against them included being beaten to death and thrown off cliffs. We're talking about recent history.

I have no idea why people keep thinking that hate speech is free speech, particularly when there exists the real possibility that it can result in violence against innocent minorities.

That's no media beat up. There are people around today who lived through that hatred, and survived.

Any pushback against equality needs to called out for what it is.

 

[Willow]

So, you also belief we should not sign any Muslims? They have the same opinion.

What, all of them? And they all publicly say this? Do all christians agree with Folau? Because that appears to be your stance.

If we had any player promoting hate against minorities, I don't want them to be part of our club.

I don't care if they're christian, muslim, pagan or jedi. It has nothing to with their so-called beliefs, it's just outright bigotry and ignorance.

 

[Prometheus]

The LGBT community has every reason to be concerned about hate speech. It wasn't that long ago that violence against them was common and police turned a blind eye. The crimes against them included being beaten to death and thrown off cliffs. We're talking about recent history.

A lot of people don't realise that until very recently a man could bash, or even kill a gay man and when he went to court he could defend his action by saying the gay man had made a pass at him. It was known as the "Homosexual Advance Defence" or "Gay Panic Defence" This legal defence was only abolished in NSW in 2014 and in Qld in 2017. Can you imagine the reaction if a man killed a woman and tried to justify it in court by saying that she'd made an unwelcome advance on him?

 

[Willow]

A lot of people don't realise that until very recently a man could bash, or even kill a gay man and when he went to court he could defend his action by saying the gay man had made a pass at him. It was known as the "Homosexual Advance Defence" or "Gay Panic Defence" This legal defence was only abolished in NSW in 2014 and in Qld in 2017. Can you imagine the reaction if a man killed a woman and tried to justify it in court by saying that she'd made an unwelcome advance on him?

In Australia, homosexuality only became legal in 1994.

Dont recall atheists or adulters having the same fight for equal rights.

 

[Prometheus]

An adulterers pride parade would be interesting.

 

[Dorsai]

Unfortunately it has everything to do with it.

Of all the things that Folau said would send people to hell, all of them bar one comes down to a choice made by the person.

The only one that isn’t a choice on that list was homosexuality.

Someone’s sexuality is something you are born with.

You can’t discriminate against someone based on something they have no control over.

So it’s very relevant.



I’m guessing by your posts tonight that you haven’t realised it by now, so hopefully with a bit of thinking & reflection on the matter you’ll understand..

I realise exactly what I say, as I choose my words carefully. I do not post to incite or argue uselessly like others. As I said your entitled to an opinion. I am also entitled to disagree. Weather you think it relevant is really irrelevant because unless you have a doctorate in human behaviours with regards addiction, that being to smoking, sex or alcohol you cannot be 100% sure you are not discounting those as choices or predispositioned behaviour and therefore out of the realm of choice.

therefore, like I said, your opinion, my opinion, everyone has one, does not mean a certain one is correct just because they like to play a popularity card.

 

[muzby]

An adulterers pride parade would be interesting.

Didn’t they have one of those when Ashley Maddison was hacked?


Speaking of Ashley Maddison, remember when they wanted to sponsor the Sharks?


Stoopid sharks.

 

[muzby]

I realise exactly what I say, as I choose my words carefully. I do not post to incite or argue uselessly like others. As I said your entitled to an opinion. I am also entitled to disagree. Weather you think it relevant is really irrelevant because unless you have a doctorate in human behaviours with regards addiction, that being to smoking, sex or alcohol you cannot be 100% sure you are not discounting those as choices or predispositioned behaviour and therefore out of the realm of choice.

therefore, like I said, your opinion, my opinion, everyone has one, does not mean a certain one is correct just because they like to play a popularity card.

So you’re saying homosexuality is a choice?

 

[Prometheus]

I can't believe we are ceding the moral high-ground to rugby union.

 

[Willow]

I do not post to incite or argue uselessly like others.

Who's doing this mate?

 

[Evil Emperor Zurg]

We could do with a left centre and there’s no such thing as hell anyway so yep I approve.

 

[Prometheus]

You don't think Hell exists?

You've clearly never worked in retail.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

We could do with a left centre and there’s no such thing as hell anyway so yep I approve.

That is my main worry, I would honestly just prefer we ran with Feagai. If he signed for 2 years we may lose one or both the bros for nothing. Maybe a wing spot or if he killed it replace Duft at fullback until Ramsey is ready but I don't think we need a left centre.

 

[SaintPauli]

Israel is a great rugby league player.
If he comes to Dragons he will have my support.
Compassion needs to go in all directions.
Our society needs to allow opinions and respect that. We dont all agree but that is expected. Just move on to RUGBY LEAGUE AND WINNING.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Israel is a great rugby league player.
If he comes to Dragons he will have my support.
Compassion needs to go in all directions.
Our society needs to allow opinions and respect that. We dont all agree but that is expected. Just move on to RUGBY LEAGUE AND WINNING.

no mate...he needs to have compassion for other people...not condemn them. He won’t have my support until he changes his tune.

Our society needs to respect everyone and not allow hate speech.

this is more than just signing a good player mate.

 

[BLM01]

no mate...he needs to have compassion for other people...not condemn them. He won’t have my support until he changes his tune.

Our society needs to respect everyone and not allow hate speech.

this is more than just signing a good player mate.

But then why is he still getting that hate speech back that society should not allow..or should I say again after all this time. It works both ways. Is that OK too.
Yes there are some people that agree with him or dont care what he said to comment.
Even though he used his profile to get it out and target more people than any low profile person would be able to achieve was a poor choice of judgment on his part.
Folau does not need or want your support directly.
Our club does.

 

[Prometheus]

Criticism of his prejudice is not hate speech BLM01.

 

[Maddragon99]

Dragons Sometime in 2021
1. Folau
2. Ramsay
3. Lomax
4. Fegai
5. Ravalawa

6. Norman
7. Hunt

8. Vaughan
9. MCulloch
10. Kerr
11. Sims
12. Bird
13. JDB

14. Alvaro
15. Ford
16. Faamausuili
17. Peats

Top 4 team