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France's proposed Super 13 Pro League - Which teams?

miguel de cervantes

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A snippet from Rugby League Week, translated into French for your inconvenience:

La saison qui commence ce mois-ci pourrait être la dernière du genre. La proposition d’une ligue Élite de 13 équipes jouant en été pourrait être le format du futur si la fédération, de concert avec son nouveau partenaire télé Al-Jazeera, va de l’avant avec ses plans.

Ceux-ci sont encore largement inconnus, manquent de viande et les réactions de certains joueurs loin d’être positives. Ils sont basés sur le modèle de la Super League, avec 13 équipes formant un Super Treize. Les 10 clubs actuels d’Élite 1, apparemment, seraient rejoints par trois nouveaux, possiblement Nantes, Strasbourg, Lille ou Lens, peut-être Paris. Toutes ces villes, sauf Paris et Nantes, ne connaissent pas le rugby à XIII. Toutes sauf Paris ont des clubs de football qui ont été à un moment ou un autre dirigé par le conseiller de la fédération et associé de Al-Jazeera, Luc Dayan, en ce moment en charge du médiocre (sic) club de division 2 Lens dans le nord-est (sic).

Ce projet peut paraitre ridicule à ceux qui connaissent bien le rugby à XIII, mais la fédération, flattée par l’attention d’Al Jazeera, le présente comme une opportunité en or. “Nous n’avons rien à perdre” se défendent certains.

Pourtant, il reste beaucoup de points noirs dans le projet. Même si beIN, la chaine sport d’Al Jazeera, finance le changement, nous avons besoin de quelques réponses. D’où viendront les joueurs ? Et tout aussi important les responsables et administrateurs ?

Pourquoi ne pas considérer des anciens clubs d’Élite 1 comme Lyon-Vileurbanne, St Gaudens ou Albi, qui ont au moins l’infrastructure et si ce n’est le budget pour évoluer à ce niveau ? Seront-ils exclus pour toujours puisque la nouvelle ligue serait une ligue fermée ?

Mars 2014 comme date de lancement parait un peu optimiste vu que la fédération promet un nouvel entraineur chef national depuis janvier. Dans l’éventualité improbable que trois nouveaux clubs soient créés et opérationnels dans 18 mois, le changement de saison est condamné à la controverse. Il y a un mérite théorique à ce que tous les clubs européens jouent en même temps pendant l’année, mais c’est sous estimer les inconvénients. Le climat déjà. Les Dragons catalans sont l’exemple d’un club à succès qui joue en été et dans une moindre mesure Toulouse aussi mais avec des foules moins nombreuses. Mais l’Élite 1, actuellement, est loin des standards professionnels et l’idée de jouer dans la chaleur de juillet et aout ne sera pas la bienvenue pour la majorité des joueurs qui ont d’autres choses à faire pendant cette période, tout comme les joueurs amateurs britannique (certaines ligues BARLA se jouent toujours en hiver en Angleterre).

Montpellier : voilà une preuve de la difficulté de mettre en place des clubs au plus haut niveau de la compétition. Pour leur troisième saison en Élite 1, les diables rouges vont voir leur budget réduit à 200,000 euros, environ la moitié nécessaire pour un club de ce niveau. Les joueurs étrangers ne reviendront pas. Les autres clubs d’Élite 1 devront libérer certains de leurs juniors pour gonfler leur rang. Malgré le fait d’avoir jouer une finale à Montpellier, et un match des Dragons, les diables rouges ont toujours du mal à trouver leur place. Le budget du club de rugby à XV par exemple est de 12 millions d’euros. Le XIII a encore du chemin à faire.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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Cheers miguel.

Google to the rescue.


The season begins this month could be the last of its kind. The proposal for a League Elite 13 teams playing in the summer could be the format of the future if the federation, together with his new partner Al-Jazeera TV, is moving forward with its plans.

These are still largely unknown, lack of meat and the reactions of some players far from positive. They are based on the model of the Super League, with 13 teams forming a Super Thirteen. The 10 clubs current Elite 1 apparently be joined by three new, possibly Nantes, Strasbourg, Lille and Lens, perhaps Paris. All these cities except Paris and Nantes, do not know rugby league. All except Paris are football clubs that were at one time or another led by the Federation advisor and partner Al-Jazeera, Luc Dayan, now in charge of the poor (sic) club in Division 2 Lens the northeast (sic).

This project may seem ridiculous to those familiar with rugby league, but the federation, flattered by the attention of Al Jazeera, presents it as a golden opportunity. "We have nothing to lose" some defend themselves.

However, there are still many spots in the project. While Bein chain Al Jazeera sports, finance change, we need some answers. Where will the players? And equally important officials and administrators?

Why not consider former clubs like Lyon Elite 1-Vileurbanne, St Gaudens or Albi, who have at least the infrastructure and if this is not the budget to compete at this level? Will they be excluded for ever since the new league is a closed league?

March 2014 as the launch date seems a bit optimistic because the federation promises a new national head coach since January. In the unlikely event that three new clubs are established and operational in 18 months, the change of season is doomed to controversy. There is a theory that deserves all European clubs play at the same time during the year, but underestimate the disadvantages. Climate already. Catalan Dragons are an example of a successful club which plays in the summer and to a lesser extent also Toulouse but with fewer crowds. But the Elite 1 currently is far from professional standards and the idea of ​​playing in the heat of July and August will not be welcome to the majority of players who have other things to do during this period, as British amateur players (some leagues play BARLA is still winter in England).

Montpellier: this is evidence of the difficulty of establishing clubs at the highest level of competition. For their third season in Elite 1, the Red Devils will see their budgets reduced to 200,000 euros, about half needed for a club at this level. Foreign players will not return. Other clubs Elite 1 will release some of their juniors to swell their ranks. Despite having to play a final in Montpellier and Dragons game, the Red Devils are still struggling to find their place. The budget of the club rugby for example, is 12 million euros. The XIII still has some way to go.
 

Gambass

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lindependant.fr/2012/09/27/luc-dayan-20-000-a-bollaert,167741.php

A bit of update today from Luc Datan:

Luc Dayan and rugby league, history goes on ...

I worked with Jacques Fouroux, Canal + and Charles Biétry, a longtime friend (note: that the guy who is running BeINsport), on the PSG Rugby League project. At this time, I put agreements in place with Pathé-Sport. President Nicolas Larrat asked me to set up a closed league in 2014 after the World Cup. It is rigged (the timeframe), we know the parameters, the ideas are there. We want to get teams in cities where there is no Rugby League and to complement the championship with these five big cities. I talked with my fellow presidents and there is a real interest. We are trying to define the economic parameters and business rules. We are moving to implement this Super XIII.

So now, we are talking about 5 new clubs. It either means:

1) There will be up to 15 teams.
2) 2 clubs from the LER will be demoted.
3) Dayan doesnt even know how many teams are in the LER :D
 
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miguel de cervantes

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lindependant.fr/2012/09/27/luc-dayan-20-000-a-bollaert,167741.php

A bit of update today from Luc Datan:



So now, we are talking about 5 new clubs. It either means:

1) There will be up to 15 teams.
2) 2 clubs from the LER will be demoted.
3) Dayan doesnt even know how many teams are in the LER :D

At least 2 clubs in the LER should be demoted, probably Pia & Villeneuve (sorry billy;-)).

5 teams in "new" rugby league cities*. I would expect and hope for something close to ie. Lens/Lille*, Bordeaux*, Marseille*, Lyon*, Nantes*, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Paris, Montpellier, Avignon, Limoux, Lézignan-Corbières, Perpignan (maybe, don't want to canibalise the dragons).

At least he is deadly serious about what they are hoping to achieve. After the world cup is a good starting date to aim for. Hopefully with some lead up promotion during the world cup on bein this will help a lot.
 

Gambass

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At least 2 clubs in the LER should be demoted, probably Pia & Villeneuve (sorry billy;-)).

5 teams in "new" rugby league cities*. I would expect and hope for something close to ie. Lens/Lille*, Bordeaux*, Marseille*, Lyon*, Nantes*, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Paris, Montpellier, Avignon, Limoux, Lézignan-Corbières, Perpignan (maybe, don't want to canibalise the dragons).

At least he is deadly serious about what they are hoping to achieve. After the world cup is a good starting date to aim for. Hopefully with some lead up promotion during the world cup on bein this will help a lot.

Cut it to 12, merge Limoux and Carcassonne, relocate Lézignan to Narbonne. Then, you may have something a bit more coherent (no villages playing with some regional capitals).

Still, there is no proper stadium in neither Lens/Marseille/Nantes or even Paris to accomadate such teams. Soccer stadiums being way to big when you really only need a 6/8k seater stadium.
 

miguel de cervantes

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Cut it to 12, merge Limoux and Carcassonne, relocate Lézignan to Narbonne. Then, you may have something a bit more coherent (no villages playing with some regional capitals).

I fully agree as long as games are shared between the towns. I'm not so sure it would go down well with the supporters though, and it risks destroying the LER. If it was skillfully done the LER could remain as a feader comp. It is hard to see it getting any worse.

I believe this selection of towns provides an almost optimal balance between existing support in the southwest, historic yet largely defunct league cities such as Bordeaux and Marseille and fronteer setups in the north hopefully teamed with Ligue 1 clubs.

If, by miracle, the league got some decent traction and developed junior playing bases and supporter bases in these significantly sized urban areas it would potentially represent a higher population catchment than the NRL currently does in Australia. I say by miracle, but it is realistically more likely than a pro comp in the USA or elsewhere, and the best bet at restoring some French pride at the international level as well as providing a platform for Lebanese, Italian, Morrocan and perhaps Italian, Maltese and Serbian participation in a high(er)-level competition.

Dreaming even more, we would have players participating in:

NRL - australians, NZers, PNGs, pacific islanders
ESL - english, welsh, scottish and irish
SuperXIII - french, italian, moroccans etc. as mentionned
USARL - canadians, yanks, jamaicans
Eastern Euro - serbians, ukrainians, russians, czechs, poles, germans

If league ever got here, the international game would be set.

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winnyason

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Look i really think this guy is dead set behind this concept, you need a team in perpignan would you not and maybe villenvue could play games on bordaeux.
 

Gambass

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Look i really think this guy is dead set behind this concept, you need a team in perpignan would you not and maybe villenvue could play games on bordaeux.

More like a team in Bordeaux playing some games in Villeneuve ;-)
 

winnyason

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Would you think gambass, kicking Villeneuve out is a touchy subject given they are one of the foundation clubs?
 

Gambass

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Would you think gambass, kicking Villeneuve out is a touchy subject given they are one of the foundation clubs?

Actually, it goes the same for Pia, Lézignan or Limoux, but, sure it will be a touchy subject. Yet, sadly it has to happen if we want to move forward. Some even thinks that's why Larrat decided to step down lately, facing the anger of these clubs.

We can't except the game to grow if we confine it to villages of 10 000 people or less...

I don't come from the french heartland, I've no particulary affiliation with any city involved. So for me, it's very easy. But, yeah, there will be a period of whining and crying.
 

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http://www.sportchoc.tv/breve/aucun...-le-super-xiii-évoqué-en-conférence-de-presse

Please note that during the press conference, Luc Dayan returned to its proposed League closed imported from the United States, which also underway NRL and Super League, and the FFR XIII hopes to establish in 2014.

"The project is stalled, it is expected after the World Cup 2013. Climb We want teams in cities where football is not rugby league, and complete the Championnat de France with five courses. I talked to the presidents of the clubs involved, and there is a real interest in them. We are currently defining the parameters and rules of economic management. advance is to implement this Super XIII "said Luc Dayan.

A concept in his eyes as economically favorable guarantor of stability Elite clubs.

Guy Laforgue is finally noted that the reception of the Blues club Arras, which evolves Federal 3 rugby, who lent his ground for several workouts, since the arrival of the last Tuesday , "was particularly warm."
 

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http://www.lindependant.fr/2012/10/21/le-xiii-au-pays-des-ch-tis,173556.php

The XIII countries Sticks

The 21/10/2012 at 06:00 by BO


Yesterday, Lens, things were made larger.

The French Federation has pulled it off: Export rugby league in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais and collect more than 11,000 spectators. With 98% local. The operation is a success, the RC Lens 12 072 soccer players met face to Niort two weeks ago, and that the public has continued to encourage the band to Elima. President Nicolas Larrat relishes: "It's good. Ago had a super home, we were treated like royalty. Was met people proud to receive the France team. Renew this experience elsewhere with Dayan project. ago credibility and five football clubs are already interested. should continue this momentum. "

Yesterday, before the elected Lens, Ch'ti public was captivated. The speaker explained discounts regularly involved and faults whistled. In short, the players of the team of France, who have never signed so many autographs this week, wanting more.
 

bender

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Geez google translate's useless.

It says he wants to put 5 teams in 'football cities' where there is no RL presence now to complement the French Championship.

To me that sounds like more than 13 teams but then he goes on to say that they're well on their way to a Super XIII.

Thirteen is the number of players on the field, and what most people call the game in France.
 

The Daddy2

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It's a bit confusing with both Toulouse and Catalan in Superleague and this potentially launching at the same time. However my format for Super XIII is as follows, a ten team league with 5 southern teams and 5 northern teams. The northern teams apart from Nantes would be new and most of the southern teams would be merged/rebranded.

Southern teams

Catalan Dragons
Toulouse Olympique
Avignon Bisons
Aude Cathars
Leopards of Aquitaine (playing in Bordeaux, based in Villenueve)

Northern teams

Nantes
Paris Saint Germain
Strasbourg
Lille
One of: Rennes/Les Tours/Lyon/Lens


This is a good balance between old and new, north and south but French league need to be clear about the path to professionalism, is it through the super league? Or Super XIII, if this isn't clear then I see all sorts of problems in the future.
 
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