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Frank Farina tells NRL, AFL told to grow up over Cup bid

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There is not one reputable source amongst that whole mess. I'll take Nielsen over stuff.co.nz or some rep for a media agency. Considering you know, they actually record the ratings. And sports-city.org lol. What are their sources? The sports-city one is probably my favourite. It says most numbers released for these events are all hyperbole and estimates based on number of people who COULD watch it rather than those who do, then turns around and presents their own estimate. Fantastic.

Plus, like I said, isn't the Rugby Union World Cup said to be watched by 3 billion people? Yeah I'm convinced. What were the attendances of the Beijing Olympics compared to the attendances of the World Cup?



We're comparing events, not sports. The Olympics isn't a sport bro.



Yeah it's a mess BLKOUT! but what makes Nielsen a better media agency than the one I found? Be honest, it's because it's one you've heard of - isn't it. Hardly convincing criteria to claim they're more reputable.

I'd rather trust an agency that under quotes a figure than blows one up. The source I found claim China holds the record anyway but maybe that's bollocks because they're not reputable right? ;-)

Also, I pulled an NY Times article only as a guide because we know the Yanks don't look past their boarders too often. So if they talk it up then that's saying something.

As for your last question, didn't Nielsen tell ya?

The Olympics got a leg-up this time round as the most populous nation was always going to watch their event. Ole, ole.....
 
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BLKOUT!

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Yeah it's a mess BLKOUT! but what makes Nielsen a better media agency than the one I found? Be honest, it's because it's one you've heard of - isn't it. Hardly convincing criteria to claim they're more reputable.
The fact that Nielsen is the most famous/reputable one around when it comes to television ratings. It's well known for a reason.

Also, I pulled an NY Times article only as a guide because we know the Yanks don't look past their boarders too often. So if they talk it up then that's saying something.
What is it saying exactly? The 2006 World Cup final drew 12 million viewers on American TV (ABC), the Beijing Olympics averaged 30 million per day over the first four days of competition (NBC). A swimming race alone drew nearly 40 million. Not sure what your point is here.

As for your last question, didn't Nielsen tell ya?
I was asking because I already know the Olympics were substantially better attended than any football world cup. And I think you know that too, hence this reply.

The Olympics got a leg-up this time round as the most populous nation was always going to watch their event. Ole, ole.....
Yeah you're not making excuses or anything are you.

That all being said, who has decided television ratings are the way to judge which event is "bigger"? overall? Or are you just using that because you found a couple of websites that made you think it had an advantage?

I love football, My great-grandad played for Aston Villa and I've been a fan since I was 4 years old but people are going crazy over this stuff. Enough people already hate the sport, it's just a matter of time before they start hating the fans because of this sort of thing. We all want the World Cup, it would be the best thing to ever happen to football in this country but people like Frank Farina and Craig Foster are just coming across as arrogant, misinformed and with a superiority complex that will put the casuals off.

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http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/114996-Beijing_Olympics_Ratings_Gold_for_NBC.php
http://worldcup.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/the-tv-final/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2008-08-24-olympics-ratings_N.htm
 

Loudstrat

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now we have Neill, Cahill, Kewell, Schwarzer, Aloisi and more. .

Who ,Who,Have heard of Kewell,Who.& who.??????

Geez Phil. Everybody has heard of Mick Neil (former Tigers thug/pivot), Cahill (the bloke that built the expressway above Circular Quay), Schwarzer (negger - aka Big Arnie), Aloisi -Souths prop.

I also would hazard a guess that there are probably more fans of soccer nation wide than either AFL or NRL, and no the A-league doesn't count,
Yeah? What does count? A few spanish ex pats scanning SBS for Real Madrid games? Teams of kids playing soccer to keep mum happy but wishing they could run like Fui?

This debate about Soccer having a bigger dick that the Olympics (the Olympics wins courtesy of the USA) is irellevent. The real point is this:

Soccer demands AFL and League make massive concessions that they themselves are not willing to make. It would be easy to hold the tournament in October, except the EPL will not realease it's international stars.

I don't recall the Olympics scheduling themselves around the NBA on account of the Dream Team.

Quite frankly, it is arrogant to demand we f*ck our national culture just to accommodate tre inflexible Fifa.
 
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I love football, My great-grandad played for Aston Villa and I've been a fan since I was 4 years old but people are going crazy over this stuff. Enough people already hate the sport, it's just a matter of time before they start hating the fans because of this sort of thing. We all want the World Cup, it would be the best thing to ever happen to football in this country but people like Frank Farina and Craig Foster are just coming across as arrogant, misinformed and with a superiority complex that will put the casuals off.



Great win by Villa on the weekend BTW.
Yeah some of the soccer celebrities are carrying on like the kid that got teased in the playground and have come back to seek revenge several years later only to find everyone has moved on.
 

Loudstrat

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Better still, block user. Now instead of having to scroll through his drivel and his tales of his 19 bentleys, I just see a small message advising that he has posted. Like replacing the office loudmouth with a small and barely detectable fart.

Works for me.
 

Steyger

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Is this it ? Is this our united north/south of the Murray chance to unite against the infidels of the mother country & beyond ?
 

Green Machine

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Looks like 2018's gone:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/blatter-tips-europeans-as-2018-cup-hosts-20100126-mwd4.html

Blatter tips Europeans as 2018 Cup hosts

AUSTRALIA'S hopes of hosting the 2018 World Cup have been dealt a blow, with FIFA president Sepp Blatter indicating only European bids may be considered.
Australia is one of several nations bidding for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, but Blatter has told a media conference in Madrid a plan to bring the 2018 version to Europe is being examined. Blatter says he has talked over a European-only deal with UEFA president Michel Platini in Moscow in the past few days.
''There is a movement at the moment among the various candidates that in the end it would be a good solution … if the candidates for 2018 would only be those from Europe,'' Blatter said at a news conference. ''It's not been finally decided but it's the idea, also to make the work of FIFA easier and especially that of the executive committee.''
That means the 2022 World Cup is looking increasingly likely to be Australia's best chance of hosting the world's biggest single-sport event.
Football Federation Australia chief Ben Buckley yesterday played a dead bat to suggestions Australia's bid to host the 2018 Cup could be doomed.
Buckley said the FFA had not heard anything about a policy change by the game's governing body, which would have to ratify such a significant alteration of the bid process at an executive committee meeting.
''We have not had any notification of any changes. Until we hear to the contrary, we are continuing with our bid to host either the 2018 or 2022 World Cups. If FIFA policy does change, then clearly we would have to consider our approach and if that meant we had to concentrate on 2022, then that is what we would do. But we have not heard anything about a change, and until we do we will campaign for both.''
A large field of countries is bidding for the right to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups as a result of FIFA's decision to allocate both tournaments at the one time. FIFA's executive committee is due to make a final recommendation on both tournament venues in December this year. In the past, it has allocated the tournament one World Cup at a time.
Blatter's indication that only European bids may be considered for the 2018 tournaments would mean England and Russia, who are mounting separate bids, and Holland/Belgium and Spain/Portugal, who are running joint ticket candidacies, would have the field to themselves.
Countries such as the US, Australia, Qatar, Japan, South Korea and Indonesia, who are bidding for one or both of the competitions, would then have to focus their energies on 2022.
Candidates must submit bid documentation by the end of May and FIFA will study those in June before sending out its specialists to assess whether those nations can organise a successful World Cup. Should FIFA opt to split the bidding process on geographical lines it might not make too much difference in the long term.
While Australia is optimistic that it is a good chance to win the 2018 tournament and has caught the eye of bookmakers, who rate its prospects positively, the common view is that the competition is almost certain to be staged in Europe, the economic and historical heartland of the sport.
With the 2010 World Cup in Africa and the 2014 in South America (Brazil) it is highly unlikely the moneymen of the game would want the biggest event in global sport to be staged out of its heartland - where crowds are enormous and TV companies pay huge rights fees - for three tournaments in a row.
When Australia first signalled its interest in bidding to host a World Cup several years ago, FIFA had not decided to allocate the 2018 competition and the 2022 version at the same time.
At the time Australia began canvassing support and lobbying for what eventually became $45 million worth of Government funding to bankroll the bid, the campaign for the 2018 tournament was widely seen as a practice run, a stalking horse through which a nation lacking a compelling football history could establish its bona fides and credibility as a host. Back then 2022 was seen as a more realistic target.
Australia would face stiff opposition from the US to host the 2022 tournament, with the lures for FIFA being the huge Asian market or the last great unconquered outlet for the sport.
 

Goddo

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Korea and Japan hosted it not long ago, Indonesia is Indonesia so they aren't anything to worry too much about, Quatar is a desert with no stadiums, promissing to build 10 new covered grounds (for what legacy?).

Our main hurdle is the USA. They have lots of big stadia (but no legacy for soccer and not many covered grounds), a huge economy (which will generate big $ for FIFA), and a fairly friendly timezone.

Our bid looks strong in terms of political support, marketing (which is crucial, look at SA), and in terms of TV broadcast we are in an asian friendly time zone, a region FIFA are keen to have a much bigger presence, especially as China and India rise. Our single biggest obsticle is still getting 12 good venues sorted for our bid.

We have very good host cities though: Townsville/Great Barrier Reef, Gold Coast, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Perth (great for TV timezone), Newcastle. Its all about selling the experience and image of an Australian World Cup to FIFA. And we are the only continent that hasn't hosted it.

We are in with a good chance, as selling the image of a world cup is very important to FIFA, as its about getting their brand right. We just need to grease the right hands to get the votes needed.

When FIFA looked at SA before they won the 2010 comp, only 2 stadiums on their list were up to scratch, and when they won FIFA made sweeping changes to their bid. Now that we have signed that agreement in December 09, if we win they can do the same here. As such, I won't be surprised if they say no to Adelaide Oval and make South Australia build a new ground for soccer and the rugbys.

AFL has been pressuring states to build AFL grounds for the world cup bid, but FIFA will simply over ride these ploys by the AFL because they have a contract with the states and feds to do this.

The main 4 stadiums for the main matches will likely be: Stadium Australia for the final, MCG for first match media centre and Semi Final, Suncorp for 3v4 match, Stadium WA in rectangular mode (if they build it) for Semi Final.

2022 is actually better for us too, as it gives us 4 more years to sort out stadium and infrastructure funding and construction
 
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BIKER_DRAGON

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Watching Soccer has about as much appeal as watching David Rabbitsbrough explain the mating habbits of Liechtenstein's farting frogs.

The old Roman sport of feeding Christians to lions has more appeal.......Imagine the TV ratings today.
 
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butchmcdick

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Watching Soccer has about as much appeal as watching David Rabbitsbrough explain the mating habbits of Liechtenstein's farting frogs.

The old Roman sport of feeding Christians to lions has more appeal.......Imagine the TV ratings today.

and yet it is the biggest sport in the world
 

footy1

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This bloke is an utter turd. He has a lot of arrogance for a bloke who has lost his job and is not even wanted by his sport anymore following his drink driving conviction, yet he has the nerve to criticise a sport which rates higher in this country than that round ball game ever will. I admit that I do follow the soccer but rugby league is my sport and Frank needs to stop blowing sh*t out of his arse because he is a joke.
 
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