The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Iamback]

Rubbish, most clubs only have one game in that time slot a year. Clubs get $13mill from tv, they could earn three times that if they built a decent sized engaged fanbase! Problem is for some reason most clubs seem to be struggling to appeal to large numbers of people, and shty small stadiums don’t help.

How did the move to Kogarah go for them?

 

[Iamback]

You will see next year how much the Panthers crowds drop.

We are coming from a much higher base than the Sharks were too.

 

[Frailty]

Could have done that without taking up prime main stand space surely? It is an nrl club at end of day not a shopping mall owner. No stadium in the nrl should have 1/3 a main stand on one side!

Plenty of room for extension on the north, west, and southern ends. There is room for upgrades and extension on the east - the scaffolding is more forward than what the buildings are.

The club is being run like a business not a sporting team that is designed to burn money. A constant stream of cash to the club on top of increasing foot traffic to the leagues club and the ground is a great idea. Not to mention the potential sponsorship opportunities of businesses that will be on premises.

 

[Iamback]

Plenty of room for extension on the north, west, and southern ends. There is room for upgrades and extension on the east - the scaffolding is more forward than what the buildings are.

The club is being run like a business not a sporting team that is designed to burn money. A constant stream of cash to the club on top of increasing foot traffic to the leagues club and the ground is a great idea. Not to mention the potential sponsorship opportunities of businesses that will be on premises.

That is the thing All the Sydney clubs are being run like businesses now. Sets them up well long term

 

[bazza]

Could have done that without taking up prime main stand space surely? It is an nrl club at end of day not a shopping mall owner. No stadium in the nrl should have 1/3 a main stand on one side!

Not sure what the issue is
BankWest stadium has very limited seating on the western side as it is primarily corporate and media facilities

 

[baselinepanther]

Where is the money for a tunnel under the stadium going to come from?

We barely got the feds to agree to move the north lanes of Parkes Way roughly a hundred metres south, they're never going to agree to fund a tunnel under the stadium that will cost significantly more.

Even if we could get them to agree to fund a tunnel it's not clear that a tunnel and butting the stadium up against Commonwealth park would even fix the problem, because all the experts so far have said you'd have to eat into Commonwealth park to fit a stadium of reasonable size.

And why go to all that extra expense in both time and resources when you could build the new stadium in literally any of the other city centres, space permitting, and get all the same benefits from building it in Civic? You'd save yourself hundreds of millions of dollars without any major negatives.

In other words your solution isn't realistically feasible, may not actually be a solution at all, and there're cheaper more realistic alternatives.

You don't disagree with me. You disagree with every city planner, architect, and engineer that has looked at the problem...

This isn't a difference in subjective preference, stop trying to paint it as if it is.

Rubbish
going north to south from Constitution ave to the edge of commonwealth park is easily 500 metres , at the Allara st , western end its 550m , the designers are working within a framework that needs to be broadened , theres room there.
Ofc there may be cheaper alternatives but if we're going to do this , lets do it right
a smaller stadium is not right
a different area of Canberra not civic is also not right

 

[parrawentyfan]

Not much to be confused by. Simple google would show the details of the development.

Plenty of room to expand the stadium with the funds about to come through.

 

[T-Boon]

I would have a rule that if your stadium doesn’t fit 20k people you are punted from the NRL.

 

[siv]

I would have a rule that if your stadium doesn’t fit 20k people you are punted from the NRL.

I would actually go further and say it should be 25k

With 15 corporate boxes and 12.5k under cover seating

 

[Diesel]

Haha, instead of building a main stand they’re filling the space with buildings. Probably happy with 12k sell outs.

I’m sure I read somewhere they needed over 15K, (could be more) to break even by holding an event at the stadium. On Saturday they said it was solid out at 11k

 

[Perth Red]

People blowing up on social media saying they were queuing for 45mins plus to get a beer. Not much changed went ten years ago and waited 40mins to get a coffee. But oh how buzz loves suburban grounds lol.

shoukd be 25k min capacity, 20kseats, 75% undercover if you want to host an nrl game, stop being so small in our ambitions. Nsw cup exists for those who want to sit on a grass hill.

 

[Perth Red]

Not sure what the issue is
BankWest stadium has very limited seating on the western side as it is primarily corporate and media facilities

Exactly! Every ground should have two main large stands, one for corporates, one for fans. That’s how you make money!

 

[The Great Dane]

Rubbish
going north to south from Constitution ave to the edge of commonwealth park is easily 500 metres , at the Allara st , western end its 550m , the designers are working within a framework that needs to be broadened , theres room there.
Ofc there may be cheaper alternatives but if we're going to do this , lets do it right
a smaller stadium is not right
a different area of Canberra not civic is also not right

Can't build it from Allara St because it'd be at the wrong orientation, and 500 metres doesn't leave a lot of room for a 30k seat stadium and all the necessary infrastructure around the stadium.
Besides there's no world in which Parkes Way is turned into a tunnel anyway, so the premise is complete nonsense as you've got to fit Parkes Way in as well, which means you've probably got closer to roughly 350 metres to work with.

All you need in a location for a stadium is for it to be relatively easy to get to, ideally as central to the population as possible, in an area with good public transport links and parking options, restaurants, entertainment, and accommodation within walking distance. In theory that could be achieved in any of the major city centres in Canberra (Civic, Woden, Belco, Gungahlin, Tuggeranong, and in the future potentially Molonglo as well), though undoubtably some would be better options than others.

You say that we need to do it right, and that a smaller stadium or one outside of Civic wouldn't be right, but that is blind idealism. In the real world you have to make compromises, and in this case that means that if you want the stadium in Civic you have to accept a smaller stadium (realistically 20ishk), and if you want a bigger stadium, one that actually fits the city's needs, then it must be built outside of Civic unless you can convince the Feds to give up part of Commonwealth Park or ANU to give up the southern part of the Turner Parklands and find a workable solution for building over Sullivans Creek, both of which are highly unlikely to happen.

Chucking a tantrum about the reality of those circumstances will not change them.

 

[baselinepanther]

Can't build it from Allara St because it'd be at the wrong orientation, and 500 metres doesn't leave a lot of room for a 30k seat stadium and all the necessary infrastructure around the stadium.
Besides there's no world in which Parkes Way is turned into a tunnel anyway, so the premise is complete nonsense as you've got to fit Parkes Way in as well, which means you've probably got closer to roughly 350 metres to work with.

All you need in a location for a stadium is for it to be relatively easy to get to, ideally as central to the population as possible, in an area with good public transport links and parking options, restaurants, entertainment, and accommodation within walking distance. In theory that could be achieved in any of the major city centres in Canberra (Civic, Woden, Belco, Gungahlin, Tuggeranong, and in the future potentially Molonglo as well), though undoubtably some would be better options than others.

You say that we need to do it right, and that a smaller stadium or one outside of Civic wouldn't be right, but that is blind idealism. In the real world you have to make compromises, and in this case that means that if you want the stadium in Civic you have to accept a smaller stadium (realistically 20ishk), and if you want a bigger stadium, one that actually fits the city's needs, then it must be built outside of Civic unless you can convince the Feds to give up part of Commonwealth Park or ANU to give up the southern part of the Turner Parklands and find a workable solution for building over Sullivans Creek, both of which are highly unlikely to happen.

Chucking a tantrum about the reality of those circumstances will not change them.

The stadium will need to run north south because there certainly isn't room for an east west configuration, the Allara st end of that civic pool site is longer by 50 metres north / south , all the images of how the stadium will look like have it running this way so , no, you're wrong. Again.
And the only one chucking a tantrum here is you , & saying nothing but a 20K would fit in to civic & this won't happen & that won't happen which is also blind idealism & lacking any scope for compromise or vision.
Theres room there.

 

[parrawentyfan]

Civic would be ideal. Building a stadium in any of the other centres would cut off a lot of fans.

If not the Civic Pool site, then would a decent stadium fit elsewhere nearby? Eg by taking over one of the ANU ovals in Turner, or using Rugby League Park in Braddon?

 

[Tiger Shark]

I’m sure I read somewhere they needed over 15K, (could be more) to break even by holding an event at the stadium. On Saturday they said it was solid out at 11k

incorrect

 

[Tiger Shark]

Exactly! Every ground should have two main large stands, one for corporates, one for fans. That’s how you make money!

And that's what we have and will be doing with the stadium upgrades from all that money we'll be getting

 

[League Unlimited News]

 

[Iamback]

Stuart Ayres mentioned something like this for Penrith..

 

[forby]

26k seats all undercover. Looks good!