The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[mongoose]

What was your point?

You spoke about a map of Melbourne and CoE for the Tigers.

I don't buy your claim that Sydney's terrain and transport system is too chaotic and disperse to have centralised stadia.

Brisbane has worse traffic than Sydney, yet I don't see anyone on here demanding we have four or five teams spread across Brisbane, Logan, Ipswich, Moreton Bay and Redlands to cover everyone so they don't get bottlenecked going into Lang Park. The Dolphins are based 34km away from Lang Park, yet they're playing most of their games there.

The only team that needs a ground of its own is Penrith.

Bulldogs and Tigers can play out of Parramatta Stadium. South Sydney, Cronulla, St George and Manly can play out of the SFS.

Sydney doesn't need any more stadia and doesn't deserve any more upgrades to suburban parks if teams won't make use of the two that were just built for them.

Brisbane traffic is definitely not worse than Sydney's... Brisbane roads are probably up there with the worst in the western world though

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It is. So boring to have all teams play out of same place. Works there because clubs all pretty much in adjoining suburbs. Imagine EPL doing the same??

EPL clubs have fans and build their own stadia.

There's no way Sydney's NRL clubs could afford to build a state of the art stadium.

It's boring and embarrassing watching NRL games played on a park that has a hill its eastern sideline. It's 2022. Not 1922. People not from Sydney look on with disbelief at the whole situation.

 

[westerntiger]

A lot of these clubs have enough money to upgrade their grounds to all-seater capacity. They don't all need to be 'state of the art'...

 

[Colk]

Yes it does. All Sydney outsiders proposing something which locals telling you won't work. Open ur ears

What an absolute load of bs. You want to go to a city where it is hard to get around go to Beijing or LA. Cronulla is about a hour or so away from SFS. Manly is about the same. That is not impossible for them to go to some games at those stadiums if they are scheduled properly.

That is the most logical solution in any case because a.) clubs won’t be able fund expansions equivalent to the standard of Commbank and b.) the government isn’t going to fund it either. If you are going to convince people to go to games you have to actually make the experience worthwhile.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Then u just ignoring what sydneysiders telling you for two years. What kinda Scott morrison level sociopath thinks they know better about a place than the ppl who live there?! You will never learn

What I've been told by you and a few other posters on here is agenda-driven histrionics aimed at keeping the status quo as it was in 1982. If Broncos fans can travel from Moreton Bay, Logan, Ipswich and Redlands to Lang Park then there's no excuse for Sydney fans to not travel to Parramatta Stadium and SFS. If the suburban grounds drew large crowds then you might have a point, but they don't and Sydney gets bigger attendances at the centralised stadia.

 

[westerntiger]

If Broncos fans can travel from Moreton Bay, Logan, Ipswich and Redlands to Lang Park then there's no excuse for Sydney fans to not travel to Parramatta Stadium and SFS. If the suburban grounds drew large crowds then you might have a point, but they don't and Sydney gets bigger attendances at the centralised stadia.

It's not just the distance, fans want the home ground advantage. It's not hard for Tigers/Bulldogs fans to get to CommBank but they don't like it because it's Parra's ground.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It's not just the distance, fans want the home ground advantage. It's not hard for Tigers/Bulldogs fans to get to CommBank but they don't like it because it's Parra's ground.

Beggars cannot be choosers. If they support small clubs that rely on an annual grant from the NRL to survive then they can play where it is most commercially viable. Suburban parks don't attract corporates. It's one of the reasons Sydney's smaller clubs don't make much money compared to the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys.

If the Parramatta Eels and Sydney Roosters are the only Sydney clubs playing out of quality stadia then don't be surprised if they generate more revenue from gate receipts and corporate over the upcoming decades.

We just had the GF locked in to be played in Sydney until the 2040s on the provision stadia was built. It's an insult on everyone not from Sydney to build the grounds with tax payers money to keep the GF in Sydney and not use them because fans are lazy and scared of change.

 

[Colk]

Beggars cannot be choosers. If they support small clubs that rely on an annual grant from the NRL to survive then they can play where it is most commercially viable. Suburban parks don't attract corporates. It's one of the reasons Sydney's smaller clubs don't make much money compared to the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys.

If the Parramatta Eels and Sydney Roosters are the only Sydney clubs playing out of quality stadia then don't be surprised if they generate more revenue from gate receipts and corporate over the upcoming decades.

We just had the GF locked in to be played in Sydney until the 2040s on the provision stadia was built. It's an insult on everyone not from Sydney to build the grounds with tax payers money to keep the GF in Sydney and not use them because fans are lazy and scared of change.

I would add Souths to that list.

 

[westerntiger]

Souths crowds at Homebush are quite poor given their relative success over the past few years. Not expecting anything more than 15k from tonight's game against the Cowboys when they should be striving for 25-30k. Hopefully sanity prevails and they get to go to Allianz next year.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I would add Souths to that list.

It would be good if they moved back to the SFS.

Souths crowds at Homebush are quite poor given their relative success over the past few years. Not expecting anything more than 15k from tonight's game against the Cowboys when they should be striving for 25-30k.

Parramatta Stadium would be a better venue if they plan on remaining in the west.

 

[Pippen94]

What an absolute load of bs. You want to go to a city where it is hard to get around go to Beijing or LA. Cronulla is about a hour or so away from SFS. Manly is about the same. That is not impossible for them to go to some games at those stadiums if they are scheduled properly.

That is the most logical solution in any case because a.) clubs won’t be able fund expansions equivalent to the standard of Commbank and b.) the government isn’t going to fund it either. If you are going to convince people to go to games you have to actually make the experience worthwhile.

Calling me out for stuff I never said. We've had a central stadium at homebush; how has that worked?! You don't know Sydney so shut up

 

[Pippen94]

What I've been told by you and a few other posters on here is agenda-driven histrionics aimed at keeping the status quo as it was in 1982. If Broncos fans can travel from Moreton Bay, Logan, Ipswich and Redlands to Lang Park then there's no excuse for Sydney fans to not travel to Parramatta Stadium and SFS. If the suburban grounds drew large crowds then you might have a point, but they don't and Sydney gets bigger attendances at the centralised stadia.

Genius, broncos pool of fans from all over Brisbane. Nothing like Sydney situation. Get fans exclusive from one area & having team play outside that area is recipe for death.
Don't need parramatta stadium level venues. Look at Brentford stadium in EPL. Look at craven cottage. Club could easily fund new stands.

 

[Pippen94]

EPL clubs have fans and build their own stadia.

There's no way Sydney's NRL clubs could afford to build a state of the art stadium.

It's boring and embarrassing watching NRL games played on a park that has a hill its eastern sideline. It's 2022. Not 1922. People not from Sydney look on with disbelief at the whole situation.

Who cares what you think. Without Sydney teams & their traditions NRL wouldn't exist. We saw that with super league

 

[Colk]

Calling me out for stuff I never said. We've had a central stadium at homebush; how has that worked?! You don't know Sydney so shut up

I used to live there so I know it well enough. I also still work there so stop assuming things.

Your inference was that people won’t travel to such and such places because it is too hard to get there. I am saying by world standards there are plenty of places worse so it is not really a strong argument.

Also the teams that have played at Homebush (which is not a particularly a good stadium for rectangular sports) have improved their attendances.

 

[Perth Red]

A lot of these clubs have enough money to upgrade their grounds to all-seater capacity. They don't all need to be 'state of the art'...

They really don’t, for example sharks can’t even match the $8mill they got years ago from the govt to build a centre of excellence. i doubt there is any club with cash reserves to be spending $150mill on doing up a stadium, and that’s before we get into the fact that they aren’t owned by the clubs except shark park.

 

[Pippen94]

I used to live there so I know it well enough. I also still work there so stop assuming things.

Your inference was that people won’t travel to such and such places because it is too hard to get there. I am saying by world standards there are plenty of places worse so it is not really a strong argument.

Also the teams that have played at Homebush (which is not a particularly a good stadium for rectangular sports) have improved their attendances.

That's false. Tiger draw more at Leichhardt. Bulldogs have done better in recent times at belmore.

 

[Pippen94]

They really don’t, for example sharks can’t even match the $8mill they got years ago from the govt to build a centre of excellence. i doubt there is any club with cash reserves to be spending $150mill on doing up a stadium, and that’s before we get into the fact that they aren’t owned by the clubs except shark park.

South's & bulldogs have all ready talked about building own stadium. Tigers raised 100 million for coe. Of course if state building grounds for free..

 

[Perth Red]

Regardless If they should or shouldn’t, the new reality is these clubs aren’t getting their grounds upgraded. So what’s plan B? Or are we going to continue to see some nrl clubs playing out of shtty grounds and continuing to fall behind the others?

 

[Perth Red]

South's & bulldogs have all ready talked about building own stadium. Tigers raised 100 million for coe. Of course if state building grounds for free..

No they didn’t, the tigers cofe was funded mainly by the nsw govt, local council and private investors.
Where have souths and bulldogs talked about building their own stadiums? Link? There isnt one modern stadium in australia funded and built by a club.

 

[Colk]

That's false. Tiger draw more at Leichhardt. Bulldogs have done better in recent times at belmore.

That's false. Tiger draw more at Leichhardt. Bulldogs have done better in recent times at belmore.

Don’t talk crap all of your life

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Everyone claims they love suburban rugby league. The numbers tell a very different story

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