The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Colk]

If the market was strong enough for 50% of EPL clubs to be based in London then they would be, as the promotion and relegation system favours clubs that have the most resources. Bring in a similar system here and the nine Sydney clubs would find themselves relegated within a few years.

Well there would be a couple that would survive to be fair.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well there would be a couple that would survive to be fair.

Parramatta, Penrith and Sydney would probably survive as the death of the other clubs would see more money flowing to them. One from the southwest and one from Southern Sydney would definitely go. Manly would struggle.

 

[Pippen94]

Sure does, and in the top 3 divisions there are only 10 London clubs. Below that their ground capacity is under 10k (not exactly the 'best practice' we should be aiming for). So a city with nearly double our population has 1 more team than us. And that's the only sporting competition in the world I can think of. Not exactly following international best practice.

J league, Argentina.. Can't talk about world's best when you clearly have limited knowledge of world

 

[Pippen94]

Its only 20 minutes, i have done it a few times for Shute Shield matches over the years.

45 minutes from burwood station gets you all the way to drummoyne

 

[Pippen94]

Sydney has over 5 million people and is growing fairly quickly.

Thing about this is most NRL fans follow Sydney clubs. Sydney dwarfs any other rugby league heartland

 

[Pippen94]

London has a population estimated at currently being 9.5 million people (approx). That is 1/3 of the estimated population of all of Australia. So the comparison is rather poor.

But they don’t draw less lol. And they offer the potential the suburban grounds will never afford.
I agree it’s over, you’d have to be pretty myopic to not see the potential playing at commbank offers over playing at LO!

Yes they do. You argument is new grounds will get bigger crowds. Not case in 2022. Just admit

 

[Maximus]

J league, Argentina.. Can't talk about world's best when you clearly have limited knowledge of world

We are claiming J League and Argentinian league as top leagues now? Lol good luck with that argument.

 

[Pippen94]

We are claiming J League and Argentinian league as top leagues now? Lol good luck with that argument.

Ha. Both bigger than NRL. You know about as much about rest of world as Pauline Hanson

 

[parrawentyfan]

Obviously there has been a lot said about the Tigers, their homelessness, branding etc.

My two cents. They should really lean into that ambiguity as it holds some potential.

They should rename themselves the Western Sydney Tigers. Not much deviation from currently but it would make a difference.

The Eels are clearly Parramatta and region.
The Panthers are clearly Penrith and region.
The Bulldogs are clearly Canterbury-Bankstown and region.

The Tigers could market themselves as the team for Western Sydney more generally. They plug the gaps of the other teams. Whether its the inner west of Leichardt, Ryde, Lidcombe, Ashfield, or the south-west of Liverpool, Campbelltown and the emerging Bradfield. Ie- if you don't identify as from Penrith, Parra or Canterbury Bankstown, but are a westie or inner westie then we are the team for you.

Then there is a semblance of logic to their multiple homes until they settle.

 

[Pippen94]

Yeah when the metro station is built and the metro is operating. It is no where near ready, so what I stated is factually correct. I grew up in the area so I know wtf I'm talking about thanks. I'm in my early 50s and have lived in Sydney my whole life.

Haha hahaha hahaha. Might be the funniest post here ever. Got me to double check google & I was spot on (16 min). Maybe you go the long way

 

[Pippen94]

London has a population estimated at currently being 9.5 million people (approx). That is 1/3 of the estimated population of all of Australia. So the comparison is rather poor.

London makes up about a 5th of England's population. Like a certain city does here in Australia. Which one was it again?! Um, that right Sydney!!!

 

[Colk]

J league, Argentina.. Can't talk about world's best when you clearly have limited knowledge of world

What about them? Tokyo and Buenos Aires represent roughly 1/3 of their country’s total population (i.e they are what they call ‘global cities’)

In Argentina’s case which has a total population of around 40-50 million all of their other major cities are roughly the same size as Adelaide. Buenos Aires has a population of over 15m

In Japan’s case, Tokyo’s population is roughly 37-38 million with the only other city over 5 million being Osaka. These are massive differences between their largest cities and their other cities.

Currently, Melbourne has a roughly similar size to Sydney and will eventually overtake Sydney whilst Brisbane and Perth, the 3rd and 4th biggest cities are rapidly expanding to a population of between 4 to 5 million over the next 20 odd years. This means the demographics are completely different.

Secondly, let’s look at those sporting markets. Argentina play two sports soccer (predominantly) and rugby a clear second. Japan play soccer, baseball and rugby. How many sporting codes are there in Australia and how many sporting teams are there just in Sydney? The sporting market in Australia is a lot more fierce, so ergo the competition for corporate support is a lot greater than in Japan or Argentina

Therefore, these comparisons aren’t apt. Find me a code or sport (outside of fumbleball which is also in Australia) which has half their teams in one city representing less than 30% of their population in an overall market that is as competitive as Australia. My guess is you won’t find any.

 

[Pippen94]

What about them? Tokyo and Buenos Aires represent roughly 1/3 of their country’s total population (i.e they are what they call ‘global cities’)

In Argentina’s case which has a total population of around 40-50 million all of their other major cities are roughly the same size as Adelaide. Buenos Aires has a population of over 15m

In Japan’s case, Tokyo’s population is roughly 37-38 million with the only other city over 5 million being Osaka. These are massive differences between their largest cities and their other cities.

Currently, Melbourne has a roughly similar size to Sydney and will eventually overtake Sydney whilst Brisbane and Perth, the 3rd and 4th biggest cities are rapidly expanding to a population of between 4 to 5 million over the next 20 odd years. This means the demographics are completely different.

Secondly, let’s look at those sporting markets. Argentina play two sports soccer (predominantly) and rugby a clear second. Japan play soccer, baseball and rugby. How many sporting codes are there in Australia and how many sporting teams are there just in Sydney? The sporting market in Australia is a lot more fierce, so ergo the competition for corporate support is a lot greater than in Japan or Argentina

Therefore, these comparisons aren’t apt. Find me a code or sport (outside of fumbleball which is also in Australia) which has half their teams in one city representing less than 30% of their population in an overall market that is as competitive as Australia. My guess is you won’t find any.

Why can't you guys admit when ur wrong?! Said new grounds would increase crowds but in 2022 that's not case. Now, said no other league's in world have so many teams from one city.

The thing you don't realize - well one of many - is that Sydney is most lucrative market in region. Benefits the NRL greatly to have such presence here. As I've said before returning bears would be better financially than bringing in Perth etc

 

[Maximus]

Why can't you guys admit when ur wrong?! Said new grounds would increase crowds but in 2022 that's not case. Now, said no other league's in world have so many teams from one city.

The thing you don't realize - well one of many - is that Sydney is most lucrative market in region. Benefits the NRL greatly to have such presence here. As I've said before returning bears would be better financially than bringing in Perth etc

Actually, the post I responded to talked about how most teams playing out of 1 or 2 stadiums isn't international best practice and that we should be looking to international best practice. I asked where it could be considered international best practice to have more than 50% of our teams in 1 city (considering that is completely relevant to the discussion about more than 1 team playing in the same stadium). Currently we have 2 football leagues, neither of which would be top 15 leagues in the world.

Not exactly best practice if that's all you can come up with.

 

[Pippen94]

Actually, the post I responded to talked about how most teams playing out of 1 or 2 stadiums isn't international best practice and that we should be looking to international best practice. I asked where it could be considered international best practice to have more than 50% of our teams in 1 city (considering that is completely relevant to the discussion about more than 1 team playing in the same stadium). Currently we have 2 football leagues, neither of which would be top 15 leagues in the world.

Not exactly best practice if that's all you can come up with.

Actually, the post I responded to talked about how most teams playing out of 1 or 2 stadiums isn't international best practice and that we should be looking to international best practice. I asked where it could be considered international best practice to have more than 50% of our teams in 1 city (considering that is completely relevant to the discussion about more than 1 team playing in the same stadium). Currently we have 2 football leagues, neither of which would be top 15 leagues in the world.

Not exactly best practice if that's all you can come up with.

No you said there no other league's in the world similar. Clearly forgetting afl as well.

Afl is 14th biggest league in world, despite Australia's relatively small population. But...

 

[Colk]

Why can't you guys admit when ur wrong?! Said new grounds would increase crowds but in 2022 that's not case. Now, said no other league's in world have so many teams from one city.

The thing you don't realize - well one of many - is that Sydney is most lucrative market in region. Benefits the NRL greatly to have such presence here. As I've said before returning bears would be better financially than bringing in Perth etc

It’s not my problem you don’t know how to make comparisons or understand context.

Is Sydney the most lucrative region in the country in the same way as Buenos Aires and Tokyo are in those countries? Yes/no?

If Sydney is the most lucrative region in the country, it would be only slightly ahead of say Melbourne, whilst there are also lucrative markets in Brisbane and Perth. This wouldn’t warrant under normal circumstances having more than half of the teams in a competition wherein you don’t have such a corporate monopoly as Tokyo or Buenos Aires.

Also in those examples, you don’t have the amount of competition between sports. For example soccer would get the majority of the corporate spend, much more than say League in Sydney or Brisbane. Again this doesn’t help your argument. League has to compete with a multitude of other sports which means they are competing for that corporate dollar

Lastly, putting in another Sydney team when half the teams are surviving mainly because of the grant they receive would be beyond idiotic. Putting in another NSW team would be the same.

 

[Maximus]

No you said there no other league's in the world similar. Clearly forgetting afl as well.

Afl is 14th biggest league in world, despite Australia's relatively small population. But...

Dude, read the f**king post. You have no idea what you are talking about

I agree that the Tigers should nominate CommBank as their one home ground for the time being but each team should be striving for their own all-seated home ground. If the Super League can do it why can't we. Sick of being compared to the AFL just because it's in the same country, we should be drawing inspiration from international best practice not the most lopsided, comical sport in the world.

 

[Perth Red]

Why can't you guys admit when ur wrong?! Said new grounds would increase crowds but in 2022 that's not case. Now, said no other league's in world have so many teams from one city.

The thing you don't realize - well one of many - is that Sydney is most lucrative market in region. Benefits the NRL greatly to have such presence here. As I've said before returning bears would be better financially than bringing in Perth etc

so parras crowds haven’t increased Compared to at their old stadium? Or Melbournes? Where’s tigers biggest crowds over last few years, heres a clue, it’s not in suburbia lol
where can tigers sell the most corporate boxes? Here’s a clue it’s not at LO.

tigers avg at LO over last 5 years, exc covid years, is 13.8k.
You're having a laugh.

 

[Pippen94]

so parras crowds haven’t increased Compared to at their old stadium? Or Melbournes? Where’s tigers biggest crowds over last few years, heres a clue, it’s not in suburbia lol
where can tigers sell the most corporate boxes? Here’s a clue it’s not at LO.
You're having a laugh.

Parra playing at parra is not bulldogs playing at parra. Numbers show that

 

[Pippen94]

Dude, read the f**king post. You have no idea what you are talking about

You got rocked mate, but I hope u learnt something. Big world out there. Don't use terms like world's best when you know little about the world