The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[forby]

Parramatta already had a Stadium which was perfect for the Eels. It was the ratbags of WSW who got the new stadium built. What was the point of rebuilding the Stadium when the are spitting distance from Accor, and Giants Stadiums? Political BS vote catching!
Penrith should have been rebuilt there and if Parramatta needed more they could and should have moved to Accor.

 

[Maximus]

Tigers drawing 4k to parra is

When did that happen?

 

[Jonno]

Good stadium but this is a fail:View attachment 65708

They shouldve mounted the screens under the roof,as per their original design

 

[forby]

Parra is a lot more central than Penrith.
Penrith deserves at better ground but another commbank is complete waste

Why? Do you want a 20k Stadium that is outgrown before it is finished?
What was the point of a 30k Stadium at Parramatta when the existing 25k stadium was still suitable?
You do realise that the average crowd at Commbank is just over 17k whilst Penrith is just over 18k!

 

[Maximus]

Parramatta already had a Stadium which was perfect for the Eels. It was the ratbags of WSW who got the new stadium built. What was the point of rebuilding the Stadium when the are spitting distance from Accor, and Giants Stadiums? Political BS vote catching!
Penrith should have been rebuilt there and if Parramatta needed more they could and should have moved to Accor.

Why should Parramatta be forced to move and not Penrith?

 

[forby]

5km is a lot different to 35km!
They could of built it at Penrith and made Parramattta move to Penrith!
Same logic.

 

[Maximus]

Why? Do you want a 20k Stadium that is outgrown before it is finished?
What was the point of a 30k Stadium at Parramatta when the existing 25k stadium was still suitable?
You do realise that the average crowd at Commbank is just over 17k whilst Penrith is just over 18k!

Last time there was a full year of crowds allowed, Penrith had a crowd average under 13k. Last time you had an average over 15k was 2005.

If Penrith aren't going well, they have one of the lowest crowd averages in the comp.

 

[Colk]

Renovated Leichhardt, brooky, belmore will always draw more for regular games

Haha. Yeah how much is that going to cost to keep renovating these stadiums? Not just putting stands up but incorporating proper corporate facilities, improving toilets and other amenities, installing more bars and catering roofs to shelter people from the elements.

You obviously look at these things purely from an attendance perspective (even then it is not a real good argument because it is based on an idea of not fixing low attendances) but it is also a whole game experience.

I have been to Leichhardt and Brookvale and they were both terrible. Not only are you sitting on a hill but you are also waiting considerable amounts of times in the toilet or trying to get a drink and in turn missing a fair chunk of the game.

That’s ok if you are a diehard (frankly rusted ons will put up with anything) but how are you going to attract people who have never attended a game or have barely attended a game in their lives. This is how fumbleball picked up their grounds - they moved away from dilapidated stadiums and they gave people world class facilities. They gave people an experience

 

[forby]

The demographics have changed a lot in the last decade. Souths moved to Accor because they couldn’t draw a crowd in their own area. The average crowd for Easts even in their good years cant justify a 20k stadium let alone a 45k mansion.
Penriths crowds have been growing over the past decade as they have improved on the field and in the community.
Besides you can make figures say whatever you want them too!

 

[Colk]

5km is a lot different to 35km!
They could of built it at Penrith and made Parramattta move to Penrith!
Same logic.

If you built it in between then maybe you might have a point but there’s no reason to build a world class facility in a place where nobody will travel to. That’s the crux. You only build stadiums in order to attract events/tourism

 

[forby]

Build it and they shall come.

So by your rational there should be no development or infrastructure outside the capital cities.
That is definitely discriminatory!

 

[macavity]

If you built it in between then maybe you might have a point but there’s no reason to build a world class facility in a place where nobody will travel to. That’s the crux. You only build stadiums in order to attract events/tourism

stadiums should be built to service the community.

There is a big community in Penrith, as there is in Newcastle, Canberra, the Northern Beaches, the Sutherland Shire….

we are allowed to have nice things for the community benefit of the community they are in. Tourism isn’t required to justify them.

Same as we can have parks, walking trails, plazas and beaches.

These things shouldn’t be reserved for the politically connected or marginal seat few.

 

[Colk]

Build it and they shall come.

So by your rational there should be no development or infrastructure outside the capital cities.
That is definitely discriminatory!

Not unless it is a big area yes. Take for example Newcastle where I live. Upgrades were $110m for an area that covers Newcastle which is bigger than Penrith plus the whole Hunter Valley. That stadium services 700-800k of people.

Penrith’s redevelopment is going to cost upwards of 300m (more I think), for a stadium that id going to be about 8k less in an area that has less population than Newcastle. Comparatively, that is not a good investment.

 

[Colk]

stadiums should be built to service the community.

There is a big community in Penrith, as there is in Newcastle, Canberra, the Northern Beaches, the Sutherland Shire….

we are allowed to have nice things for the community benefit of the community they are in. Tourism isn’t required to justify them.

Same as we can have parks, walking trails, plazas and beaches.

These things shouldn’t be reserved for the politically connected or marginal seat few.

You are correct to a point (if anybody was really concerned how about looking at the situation in Canberra before Penrith or Manly) but how much is it going to cost for these stadiums in Sydney to really do them up? Not just give them an ok stadium but actually something that is going to dramatically improve crowds? The grounds at Manly and Cronulla are so far behind acceptable that they probably need to be gutted and rebuilt

Also, the other point it doesn’t grow these clubs at all. We should be at the point where clubs like Manly, Cronulla and Penrith (although Penrith is doing some things to improve that) are trying to expand their supporter bases rather than solidifying these suburban enclave mentality. Souths, Parra, Tigers, Dogs and Dragons can get support across large swathes of the city, every club should be attempting to do the same.

 

[forby]

Penrith covers the council Areas of Penrith, Blacktown, Hawkesbury, Blue Mountains, parts of Liverpool and Wollondilly. I don’t think that is an insignificant area or population. They also have support from areas west of the Blue Mountains. They are as much a region as The Hunter is.
Are you saying that Newcastle stadium is 38k? If so what do you want, an Allianz type stadium?
You almost sound like the Sydneysiders who don’t believe that anyone lives west of Parramatta and thus don’t deserve anything!

 

[Colk]

Penrith covers the council Areas of Penrith, Blacktown, Hawkesbury, Blue Mountains, parts of Liverpool and Wollondilly. I don’t think that is an insignificant area or population. They also have support from areas west of the Blue Mountains. They are as much a region as The Hunter is.
Are you saying that Newcastle stadium is 38k? If so what do you want, an Allianz type stadium?
You almost sound like the Sydneysiders who don’t believe that anyone lives west of Parramatta and thus don’t deserve anything!

Newcastle has a stadium capacity of 33k which is perfect for the region.

Your proposed stadium will have a proposed maximum capacity of 25k. I don’t see the point in spending triple the money that was spent on the Hunter stadium for an improved capacity of 5k. If you were building a stadium of 30k plus as well as much better facilities, then you argue how great the end product was going to be

 

[Iamback]

If you built it in between then maybe you might have a point but there’s no reason to build a world class facility in a place where nobody will travel to. That’s the crux. You only build stadiums in order to attract events/tourism

That is why the 3 CBD model makes sense, You are going to have the population of Adelaide west of Parramatta.

Events will come so will the need for some type of arena, Would a Qudos Arena style for slightly cheaper. Which has no regular tennant be better from a Business sense?

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Parramatta already had a Stadium which was perfect for the Eels. It was the ratbags of WSW who got the new stadium built. What was the point of rebuilding the Stadium when the are spitting distance from Accor, and Giants Stadiums? Political BS vote catching!
Penrith should have been rebuilt there and if Parramatta needed more they could and should have moved to Accor.

Yeah and Wanderers are only getting a thousand people a game now. Like a new shiny toy they just lost all their appeal. Revolting how the stadium plan unfolded and the chaos it’s caused for the inner city clubs and in the case of the Tigers and that idiot Leichhardt mayor trying to bring us into it all because the Parra soccer club thought they were too good to travel ten minutes for games.

 

[Valheru]

I’m saying thats your rationale. Penrith is Penrith. It is a regional centre that deserves a stadium. There is no way ever that they would move to Parramatta, and nor should they be made to. The rebuild of Parramatta should have been at Penrith, instead of pandering to the WSW organisation, and the SFS should have been the same as Commbank instead of the SCGs dream white elephant.

Lol your meltdown continues.

41k tonight, 35k tomorrow. 35k plus 2 days in a row for Bruno Mars, 35k next week for finals week 1, 30k for whatever week sharks host a finals game there, 35k for Sydney fc in October, 30k 2 days running for rugby 7s in february.... such a white elephant.

 

[Colk]

That is why the 3 CBD model makes sense, You are going to have the population of Adelaide west of Parramatta.

Events will come so will the need for some type of arena, Would a Qudos Arena style for slightly cheaper. Which has no regular tennant be better from a Business sense?

I totally agree. Would the Penrith stadium fit into that though? Would it be easy to get to once the airport/airport link are built?