The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Pneuma]

It’s like your totally ignoring all the evidence that accessibility, public perception and advertising play a major role in influencing peoples behaviour!
Sydney highest pokie machine access in the world.
Sydney highest pokie machine losses in the world.
Sydney highest problem gambling rate in the world.

Maybe your right and all the research and data we have is really just coincidence?

Potato

 

[Pneuma]

It would help if you actually responded to what was written instead of creating strawman arguments.

I'm not ignoring the Bulldogs' attendances by any means. I'm pointing out that their revenue from ticketing and membership is on the low side. That means the club is either fudging its attendance numbers or is selling their tickets and membership packages at a very low rate. They wouldn't do either of these things if they had a large and active fanbase.

You also omit the fact Canterbury play hyped up "event" games each year against other Sydney clubs to artificially enhance their attendances. Take those games out of the equation and their attendances drop right down. If you want to know how many active fans they have look at the crowds they pull at Stadium Australia against interstate teams. In recent years they've taken games against the Cowboys to North Queensland because they don't draw much in Sydney.


The Easts Tigers would easily generate twice as much revenue from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership if they were in the NRL because Brisbane is not an over saturated market. All twelve of their home matches would be played at the best rugby league stadium in the world.

The Dolphins haven't even played a game yet they've accumulated over $10M from sponsorship deals, which is more than any Sydney club. Easts Tigers would easily surmount that as they're based in the inner suburbs and on the south side in the most parochial rugby league market in the world.

Compared to the Roosters, Bulldogs and Panthers, the Broncos and Cowboys don't make the much from their gaming machines.

One of his worst. That’s not easy.

 

[Pneuma]

So we have these two characters, the whinging pom and his pet monkey, who endlessly whinge and whine about poker machines.
Not coincidentally they both clearly despise the existence of certain Sydney clubs. The connection is not their concern about the well being of people addicted to gambling. That’s just a deflection from the fact they are both horribly miserable about the fact Sydney clubs exist and don’t look like going anywhere in the near or distant future.
So let’s call this for what it is. An endless pointless spiteful hate filled agenda against the mighty Sharks and other clubs.
Poker machines, like them or lump them, are a legal form of entertainment.
I have no doubt over time they’ll be replaced by other forms of gambling, but let’s be clear. These two clowns don’t care about the impact of gambling through the pokies. They just can’t stand the fact Sydney clubs exist and the pokies are just a piss weak excuse for them both to go on never ending rants. Amen. Potato.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They continue to operate and don't go broke, so they are viable. It doesn't matter that you choose to ignore an actual revenue stream.

How much longer can our game -- and others like fumbleball and cricket -- survive on gaming and broadcast revenue?

The broadcasters are losing money on the deals they're signing. They're also facing stiff competition from streaming services. The cost of subscribing to streaming services and Foxtel will increase to the point many of its customers will no longer be able to afford it.

Gaming machines are an unsustainable business and will face greater scrutiny over the upcoming years. Our game needs to figure out how to generate revenue from other sources otherwise it'll be f**ked when the gravy train derails.

 

[Pneuma]

How much longer can our game -- and others like fumbleball and cricket -- survive on gaming and broadcast revenue?

The broadcasters are losing money on the deals they're signing. They're also facing stiff competition from streaming services. The cost of subscribing to streaming services and Foxtel will increase to the point many of its customers will no longer be able to afford it.

Gaming machines are an unsustainable business and will face greater scrutiny over the upcoming years. Our game needs to figure out how to generate revenue from other sources otherwise it'll be f**ked when the gravy train derails.

The endless rant continues

 

[Quicksilver]

How much longer can our game -- and others like fumbleball and cricket -- survive on gaming and broadcast revenue?

The broadcasters are losing money on the deals they're signing. They're also facing stiff competition from streaming services. The cost of subscribing to streaming services and Foxtel will increase to the point many of its customers will no longer be able to afford it.

Gaming machines are an unsustainable business and will face greater scrutiny over the upcoming years. Our game needs to figure out how to generate revenue from other sources otherwise it'll be f**ked when the gravy train derails.

I know...

Apart from the pokie revenue, rental revenue, sponsorship revenue, bar revenue, merch revenue, entertainment revenue, ticket revenue, betting revenue, broadcast revenue and random millionaire handouts there really aren't many revenue streams for these clubs and the game.

 

[MugaB]

So?

We like them and choose to live in a jurisdiction that allows it.

If people dont like it, they can vote against it or move to a worse state.

Like WA.... yuuuk

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Why would you take out games that they get large attendances for? Surely not just to cherry pick and make a biased point?

Do I need to spell it out to you?

The ARLC rigs the draw so that Sydney clubs are given Ch9 fixtures on public holidays to maximise attendance and television coverage for their sponsors. You don't see the ARLC dedicating these precious time slots to regional teams that could do with the additional media coverage for their sponsors and draw more revenue from the increased attendance.

It's a disgrace that the ANZAC Day game on Ch9 features two small Sydney clubs who average 10-16k on any other weekend. A game between the Raiders and Warriors would be more appropriate for ANZAC DAY as it features the Australian Capital Territory and the country that makes up the "NZ" in "ANZAC".

Townsville is a garrison city and was abandoned by the government in WWII after the bombing of Darwin, so there would be more historical relevance to hold a game in Townsville or Canberra between the Cowboys and Raiders.

Can you name me one NRL side that doesn't have a large drawing "event game on their calendar?

You can be so f**king daft.

A big game between two clubs isn't an "event" game if it's schedule on a normal day during a regular round.

The ANZAC Day, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday games are "event" games designed to capitalise on the extra people who are at home. The ARLC rigs the draw so these time slots are give to low drawing Sydney clubs to inflate their attendances and provide extra exposure to their sponsors.

The Magic Round games are a chance for Sydney clubs to play in front of a large audience that they wouldn't draw in Sydney.

Hypothetical aside, why are Brisbane Easts "rich' now? What is there primary source of revenue?

Gaming machine revenue.

Doesn't change the fact they would offer far more to the NRL than any of the Sydney clubs by virtue of representing an underutilised rugby league market.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I know...

Apart from the pokie revenue, rental revenue, sponsorship revenue, bar revenue, merch revenue, entertainment revenue, ticket revenue, betting revenue, broadcast revenue and random millionaire handouts there really aren't many revenue streams for these clubs and the game.

How many professional sports clubs around the world are fundebd by gaming machine revenue?

 

[Quicksilver]

How many professional sports clubs around the world are fundebd by gaming machine revenue?

I'd see that as a positive. We've managed to find an innovative additional income stream. Pat on the back.

 

[MugaB]

How many professional sports clubs around the world are fundebd by gaming machine revenue?

Fmd who cares...
Talk Stadiums or fućk off

 

[Quicksilver]

Hey Donkey,

You do realise Melbourne v NZ is also a standard Anzac matchup?

 

[Iamback]

If you’ve got enough fans and corporate support you don’t need pokies, in any sport. thats a fact.

What sport doesn't have pokies/Gambling involvement?

 

[Canard]

Do I need to spell it out to you?

The ARLC rigs the draw so that Sydney clubs are given Ch9 fixtures on public holidays to maximise attendance and television coverage for their sponsors. You don't see the ARLC dedicating these precious time slots to regional teams that could do with the additional media coverage for their sponsors and draw more revenue from the increased attendance.

It's a disgrace that the ANZAC Day game on Ch9 features two small Sydney clubs who average 10-16k on any other weekend. A game between the Raiders and Warriors would be more appropriate for ANZAC DAY as it features the Australian Capital Territory and the country that makes up the "NZ" in "ANZAC".

Townsville is a garrison city and was abandoned by the government in WWII after the bombing of Darwin, so there would be more historical relevance to hold a game in Townsville or Canberra between the Cowboys and Raiders.



You can be so f**king daft.

A big game between two clubs isn't an "event" game if it's schedule on a normal day during a regular round.

The ANZAC Day, Easter Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday games are "event" games designed to capitalise on the extra people who are at home. The ARLC rigs the draw so these time slots are give to low drawing Sydney clubs to inflate their attendances and provide extra exposure to their sponsors.

The Magic Round games are a chance for Sydney clubs to play in front of a large audience that they wouldn't draw in Sydney.



Gaming machine revenue.

Doesn't change the fact they would offer far more to the NRL than any of the Sydney clubs by virtue of representing an underutilised rugby league market.

This is your most tenous point yet.

Do the ARLC "rig" the draw by having every QLD play each other twice?

The Storm have played many many ANZAC day games against the Warriors.

That time slot is actually not a great one for the Cowboys and why they often don't request it, for example if the holiday was mid week, our crowd would struggle to attend.

How many big "event' games do the Dogs get?

 

[Captain Apollo]

Why would you take out games that they get large attendances for? Surely not just to cherry pick and make a biased point?

Can you name me one NRL side that doesn't have a large drawing "event game on their calendar?

Hypothetical aside, why are Brisbane Easts "rich' now? What is there primary source of revenue?

Probably "dope" if its coming from "You Know Who"

 

[Ozzi_78]

Was the fact the cowboys stadium was funded by govt to the tune of 250m lost on this thread ?

 

[Ozzi_78]

Did he just post something about Sydney clubs getting favourable tv draws?

Ummmm hello Brisbane????

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'd see that as a positive. We've managed to find an innovative additional income stream. Pat on the back.

Yet our clubs are small fry compared to NFL, NBA, MLB, EPL and Bundesliga clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

It's a financial choice. And as an adult I'm comfortable with it.

I could pour my money into a speculative stock in the sharemarket as an alternative. I can pull my phone out my pocket and do it now.

Is that ok?

You seem to be missing the point. There is a direct and proven correlation between public perceived acceptability and access and increased behaviour. I get people want to argue pokies are not bad and at end of day we all make choices as that’s some nice justification for your clubs main business being gambling not football.
Take a step back and ask what you’d really rather have, a community with less gambling problems or a wealthy leagues club.

anyway I wont derail this stadiums thread any further on the topic, I think you know my thoughts on it by now lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Do the ARLC "rig" the draw by having every QLD play each other twice?

There have been seasons where the Cowboys and Titans only played once.

The Storm have played many many ANZAC day games against the Warriors.

How many of them were broadcast on Ch9?

My post specifically mentioned games broadcast on Ch9. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

That time slot is actually not a great one for the Cowboys and why they often don't request it, for example if the holiday was mid week, our crowd would struggle to attend.

They also struggle to draw crowds on a Thursday night, yet the ARLC have scheduled games between the Broncos and Cowboys in Townsville on that night.

How many big "event' games do the Dogs get?

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