The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Cumberland Throw]

if ALLIANZ goes first, expect gold plating of everything, so nothing left for ANZ..

 

[Vee]

If the SFS goes first I wouldn't be confident ANZ will ever get more than a lick of paint.

NSW government is embarrassing, no certainty about anything.

Qld government is much worse and the Opposition are at least as bad as them.

 

[axl rose]

35k would be my upper limit.

They pass that number twice a year, can't cater for that.

I assume you're talking about the Soccer local derby and the Anzac Day NRL match. Those can easily be played out west anyway. The Soccer is majority west sydney fans and the Saints fans make up 95% of the Anzac crowd. 25,000 would even be enough, or better yet just leave it as it is.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg told club bosses in a telephone hook-up on Friday to prepare themselves for the likelihood of both Allianz and ANZ Stadium being out of action at the same time.

What a pussy...

Greenberg should be telling them to get reasy for a fight. Not just roll over and cop the Trusts shot plan

 

[Billythekid]

If they followed through and also redeveloped ANZ into a purpose built rectangular stadium I would be ok with it. The problem is this gives them time and ammo to backflip on that plan.

The ANZ rebuild is the most important by far and the NRL and clubs should fight against anything that threatens that.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I assume you're talking about the Sokka local derby and the Anzac Day NRL match. Those can easily be played out west anyway. The Sokka is majority west sydney fans and the Saints fans make up 95% of the Anzac crowd.

Yeah.

But I'd like to see ANZAC day stay in the city, probably easier for the diggers to get to the game.

But a cap at 35k would be fine.

We need to think about the majority of product, not 10k people missing out twice a year. I mean they need to remember they're building a club ground. Major events will be at ANZ.

 

[adamkungl]

From a City of Sydney perspective:

SFS should be redeveloped into a 60k stadium. Rebuilding at 45 is a wasted opportunity. NOT because of any of the current club sport tenants, but so there is a large, modern stadium on the doorstep of the city instead of out in the wasteland that is Homebush.

A larger SFS would host major semi finals in 3 sports, could potentially host State of Origin, Kangaroos, Socceroos, Wallabies (they still somehow draw a crowd buggered if I can figure out why), international club soccer events. It would be the sporting showpiece of the city, walking distance from countless bars and restaurants in Surry Hills and the City.

Western Sydney deserves major events but for the City/East to be incapable of hosting them to an acceptable standard is a sad reflection on the city. Other cities in Australia and around the world use iconic stadiums as genuine landmarks. Sporting tourism can be a legitimate drawcard and Sydney doesn't cut it. The SFS is unremarkable and Olympic park is a white elephant in a cultural deadzone 20km from anywhere a tourist would bother going.

ANZ needs far more than a rectangular reconfiguration.
It needs a reason for people to go there when there isn't an event on to develop some actual culture, and for people to enjoy going there before games and staying after games. Bars restaurants cafes parks shops etc. Currently there's 1 very average overcrowded pub and a few take away joints?


I would love to see
Parra 30k
SFS 60k
Olympic 75k
All modern venues that both the city and western sydney can be proud of and grow into something iconic. Hopefully the Government surprises us all and makes it happen

 

[herbert henry1908]

What a pussy...

Greenberg should be telling them to get reasy for a fight. Not just roll over and cop the Trusts shot plan

If we're only rolling over on the 2 stadiums at once it's fine.

It's ANZ we may need to go to war over.

 

[herbert henry1908]

From a City of Sydney perspective:

SFS should be redeveloped into a 60k stadium. Rebuilding at 45 is a wasted opportunity. NOT because of any of the current club sport tenants, but so there is a large, modern stadium on the doorstep of the city instead of out in the wasteland that is Homebush.

A larger SFS would host major semi finals in 3 sports, could potentially host State of Origin, Kangaroos, Socceroos, Wallabies (they still somehow draw a crowd buggered if I can figure out why), international club soccer events. It would be the sporting showpiece of the city, walking distance from countless bars and restaurants in Surry Hills and the City. Western Sydney deserves major events but for the City/East to be incapable of hosting them to an acceptable standard is a sad reflection on the city. Other cities in Australia and around the world use iconic stadiums as genuine landmarks. Sporting tourism can be a legitimate drawcard and Sydney doesn't cut it. The SFS is unremarkable and Olympic park is a white elephant in a cultural deadzone 20km from anywhere a tourist would bother going.

ANZ needs far more than a rectangular reconfiguration.
It needs a reason for people to go there when there isn't an event on to develop some actual culture, and for people to enjoy going there before games and staying after games. Bars restaurants cafes parks shops etc. Currently there's 1 very average overcrowded pub and a few take away joints?

I hear what you're saying but 60k would be too much for Moore park. This was a big reason why the original plan got abandoned.

Getting 60-70k people into that precinct is a nightmare. Let's say there's also a game on at the SCG? It'll become farcical. New light rail simply won't cope.

So if you're going to build a 60-70k seat stadium in the city it needs to be as close as possible to central station.

I think that'd be great, then we could have a 50k seat venue at Olympic park for the club teams.

But it doesn't look very likely.

 

[adamkungl]

I hear what you're saying but 60k would be too much for Moore park. This was a big reason why the original plan got abandoned.

Getting 60-70k people into that precinct is a nightmare. Let's say there's also a game on at the SCG? It'll become farcical. New light rail simply won't cope.

So if you're going to build a 60-70k seat stadium in the city it needs to be as close as possible to central station.

I think that'd be great, then we could have a 50k seat venue at Olympic park for the club teams.

But it doesn't look very likely.

If the new and expensive light rail is incapable of servicing one of its main stops without any consideration for future growth it would be yet another waste (unsurprised).
Personally I find getting to Olympic park and back on a Wednesday night with 80,000 people to be nightmarish as is..

 

[adamkungl]

I hear what you're saying but 60k would be too much for Moore park. This was a big reason why the original plan got abandoned.

Getting 60-70k people into that precinct is a nightmare. Let's say there's also a game on at the SCG? It'll become farcical. New light rail simply won't cope.

So if you're going to build a 60-70k seat stadium in the city it needs to be as close as possible to central station.

I think that'd be great, then we could have a 50k seat venue at Olympic park for the club teams.

But it doesn't look very likely.

Something like this?

f**k the park and the surrounding streets, they're rubbish anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

Would be a better outcome if they turned SFS into a superb world leading 60-65k stadium. Pulled down ANZ and built a decent 35k retractable roof stadium there for clubs. SFS to be Sydney's major sporting venue and sort out the transport and infrastructure around it. I agree getting out to ANZ is shthouse and its dead when you're there. Capital stadiums should be in the heart of the city.

 

[adamkungl]

Would be a better outcome if they turned SFS into a superb world leading 60-65k stadium. Pulled down ANZ and built a decent 35k retractable roof stadium there for clubs. SFS to be Sydney's major sporting venue and sort out the transport and infrastructure around it. I agree getting out to ANZ is shthouse and its dead when you're there. Capital stadiums should be in the heart of the city.

Yep.
Spending $500mil or whatever to build another mid-sized stadium is completely pointless.

 

[Perth Red]

Sydney needs one big rectangular stadium (60k-75k), one mid size shared stadium (35-40k) and about 4 boutique club stadiums (20-25k)

 

[herbert henry1908]

If the new and expensive light rail is incapable of servicing one of its main stops without any consideration for future growth it would be yet another waste (unsurprised).
Personally I find getting to Olympic park and back on a Wednesday night with 80,000 people to be nightmarish as is..

There's a fair argument that the light rail won't be enough, but no light rail is really designed to move tens of thousands in a short period. But
light rail is a 1/4 the cost of metro.

Plus the light rail was wanted for the CBD as well, where it's perfect.

There is talk that the 4th metro stage will be the eastern suburbs, but it's wouldn't be expected until 2030-2040 I think.

Other issue was the residents kicked up a huge fuss about a possible 65k seat stadium. From what I read Malcolm Turnbull may have even intervened as the local member.

In terms of getting to ANZ that's all relative. But I'd wager for the vast majority of rugby league fans it's easier. Add in the coming parramatta to CBD high speed metro and it will be even better.

But I certainly take your point about atmosphere around the ground.

If we could get a 65k seat stadium at Moore park & a 50k seat club stadium at Olympic park that'd be the best outcome all round.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Sydney needs one big rectangular stadium (60k-75k), one mid size shared stadium (35-40k) and about 4 boutique club stadiums (20-25k)

Well if labour win the next election the club stadiums might be a chance. Foley has talked about that being a preference. That's part of the rush to get Allianz started.

Although it'd be doubtful we'd then get ANZ done.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I very much doubt you would be able to build a 60k seat stadium on the current SFS site. Not unless you did way with all the offices, and the car parks, which they won't do. I dare say that is why the SCG Trust wants to poach land from the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust so they can build the new one over Lake Kippax.

As I've said repeatedly, for that to occur (i.e. the new stadium over Lake Kippax) there would need to be legislative changes to the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust Act and the Sydney Cricket and sports ground Trust Act to enable it to happen. I very much doubt this NSW Government is willing to burn the political capital needed to get any such legislation through the NSW Legislative Council where it does not hold a majority.

As to the light rail, if you think it will be the panacea to the area's transport problems when their are big crowds, read today's media reports about why the inner west light rail can't run more services than it currently does to meet demand. I very much suspect similar issues will plague the eastern suburbs light rail too.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Yep.
Spending $500mil or whatever to build another mid-sized stadium is completely pointless.

Allianz should either be 65k or 35k

ANZ the Reverse although slightly bigger than 35k if it's the small venue.

 

[dangerousdave]

I very much doubt you would be able to build a 60k seat stadium on the current SFS site. Not unless you did way with all the offices, and the car parks, which they won't do. I dare say that is why the SCG Trust wants to poach land from the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust so they can build the new one over Lake Kippax.

As I've said repeatedly, for that to occur (i.e. the new stadium over Lake Kippax) there would need to be legislative changes to the Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust Act and the Sydney Cricket and sports ground Trust Act to enable it to happen. I very much doubt this NSW Government is willing to burn the political capital needed to get any such legislation through the NSW Legislative Council where it does not hold a majority.

As to the light rail, if you think it will be the panacea to the area's transport problems when their are big crowds, read today's media reports about why the inner west light rail can't run more services than it currently does to meet demand. I very much suspect similar issues will plague the eastern suburbs light rail too.

100%

 

[adamkungl]

Sometimes the problem is democracy is that it aims to make the maximum amount of people mediumly happy instead of treading on a few toes to get the best result.

I don't think the final result of this stadium scenario will be anyone's idea of the best result for the city, but the one that manages to compromise its way through layers of politics to an acceptably mediocre middle ground.