The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[The Great Dane]

Football Australia boss James Johnson has made his boldest comment yet that Australia is seriously considering putting together a bid to host the men’s 2034 World Cup.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/australia-will-bid-for-2034-mens-world-cup-despite-46m-black-eye/news-story/4979db8f72bd8d3eaaa97493799d0669?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers&fbclid=IwAR1FvXMD9rGKKXd1VsvB5xNZ0jfy-ELTsVWskJgYdivfutmgnWmD87Y0Kkk_aem_AXoIE9xUQy9keRlCZyMAt6cvnJImX8UsmjriNSQx6ab0fbWTCEstoT-F-FIoCyaRfbE

And they've got about as much chance of winning the hosting rights as the last time they bid for them...

 

[The Great Dane]

It would be great if a coordinated effort like that could be put together from the rectangular codes. An A-league team could only help too.

Raiders play 11 games and Brumbies 5-6 currently at Bruce. If you add even 1 game each for Socceroos, Matildaa, Wallabies & Kangaroos guaranteed for 5 or 10 years that is roughly a 25% increase in guaranteed content and big crowd content at that. To be honest if it helped get it across the line a one off Origin game would be good too.

It doesn't matter what events you offer at this point, the ACT gov can't afford to build a new stadium of any standard without significant amounts of Federal assistance, and I doubt the feds give the faintest f**k whether or not internationals are played in Canberra or how often.

The new stadium would have been built by now if something like your plan had happened a decade ago, but it didn't, and as things stand the ACT won't really be in a position to build a new stadium unless they pause construction of the light rail, which, for a whole host of reasons, will never happen so long as the Labour/Greens coalition hold power. So, setting aside the potential for AFL involvement, you're only realistic hope of a new rectangular stadium being built before roughly 2045 at the earliest, is if the Feds fund it, which is pretty unlikely to happen IMO, and will undoubtably end in a poor outcome even if it does.

I've said it before and people bag it, but we're past the point where the Raiders need to explore the potential of building their own venue (with the NRL's assistance you'd like to imagine), because Bruce doesn't have another decade in her as main venue, let alone two. Nothing state of the art, just a humble 15-20k seater with room to expand that they can use for most games, and keep Bruce for higher drawing games. It's likely the best way forward, but this is RL and the NRL, and the proposition that they do something for themselves to alleviate the situation, instead of relying on outside bodies and the taxpayer, will likely be highly offensive to them.

 

[Brutus]

Matilda statues at Suncorp Stadium for coming fourth. Weren't they ranked 10th heading into the tournament. It's a climb of 6 places. Wow. Well done girls. Statues at every ground the in the country. They should have statues at Ch 7 for the ratings record.

 

[Wb1234]

Football Australia boss James Johnson has made his boldest comment yet that Australia is seriously considering putting together a bid to host the men’s 2034 World Cup.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/world-cup/australia-will-bid-for-2034-mens-world-cup-despite-46m-black-eye/news-story/4979db8f72bd8d3eaaa97493799d0669?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers&fbclid=IwAR1FvXMD9rGKKXd1VsvB5xNZ0jfy-ELTsVWskJgYdivfutmgnWmD87Y0Kkk_aem_AXoIE9xUQy9keRlCZyMAt6cvnJImX8UsmjriNSQx6ab0fbWTCEstoT-F-FIoCyaRfbE

They should have to pay back the 46 million from last time for one vote

the amount of govt money those bludgers have wasted is ridiculous

 

[Jamberoo]

If it is as bad as SA they shouldn’t play origin or double headers there either. Since Parra got the new stadium which is amazing to watch RL in I just will not go to SA any more. I went for the GF last year and watched most of the game on the screen.

Strange argument.

It is like saying Taylor Swift should play at the Enmore Theatre because the seats at SA are too far back.

Where do you think they should play the GF then?

 

[Jamberoo]

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Victory for a start. The above table is just for regular season games, not finals matches.

This finals matches are...

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Then there is the Storm.
Then there is Rugby Union who have the largest ever crowd at Docklands for the Lions tour in 2005.
Then we haven't even touched on internationals like the current WWC, Socceroos games, visiting international football teams, Bledisloes, even RL internationals, and then rock concerts.

Melbourne's 30 000 capacity AAMI Park was always built too small, and that was because the AFL wouldn't allow a larger stadium. It was part of the contract the AFL had with the govt with Marvel Stadium.
FFS, it was Melbourne Victory who convinced the VIC govt to increase the capacity of the build. It was originally slated as a 20 000 seat stadium. RL and Football were actually lucky that it was increased to 30 000.

All of those soccer matches would still be played at Marvel if the demand was still there. It simply isn’t. Marvel remember, just like Accor, is an oval with moveable stands.

AAMi is a great size for Storm. If anything a fraction big. Game day experience is most important. Anything over 15k - 18k has a great atmosphere, but it is a bit flat for crowds less than that. I.e. virtually every A League match.

A League would be better in a 12k stadium.

 

[Pneuma]

All of those soccer matches would still be played at Marvel if the demand was still there. It simply isn’t. Marvel remember, just like Accor, is an oval with moveable stands.

AAMi is a great size for Storm. If anything a fraction big. Game day experience is most important. Anything over 15k - 18k has a great atmosphere, but it is a bit flat for crowds less than that. I.e. virtually every A League match.

A League would be better in a 12k stadium.

So we play our biggest games in an afl stadium owned by the afl rather than have a fit for purpose stadium built for three rectangle ground sports all of which have a permanent base and increasing profile and participation in a city of over 5 million?
And we are at the AFLs whim as to whether the stands are moved?
You take dumb to another level.

 

[Steel Saints]

All of those soccer matches would still be played at Marvel if the demand was still there. It simply isn’t. Marvel remember, just like Accor, is an oval with moveable stands.

AAMi is a great size for Storm. If anything a fraction big. Game day experience is most important. Anything over 15k - 18k has a great atmosphere, but it is a bit flat for crowds less than that. I.e. virtually every A League match.

A League would be better in a 12k stadium.

Ridiculous suggestion.

 

[Pneuma]

Ridiculous suggestion.

The blokes agenda is bloody obvious. Can’t say what it is as I’ll get deleted

 

[Wb1234]

Ridiculous suggestion.

He’s talking a league games and internationals

it’s only the soccer World Cup has archaic rules

 

[AlwaysGreen]

It doesn't matter what events you offer at this point, the ACT gov can't afford to build a new stadium of any standard without significant amounts of Federal assistance, and I doubt the feds give the faintest f**k whether or not internationals are played in Canberra or how often.

The new stadium would have been built by now if something like your plan had happened a decade ago, but it didn't, and as things stand the ACT won't really be in a position to build a new stadium unless they pause construction of the light rail, which, for a whole host of reasons, will never happen so long as the Labour/Greens coalition hold power. So, setting aside the potential for AFL involvement, you're only realistic hope of a new rectangular stadium being built before roughly 2045 at the earliest, is if the Feds fund it, which is pretty unlikely to happen IMO, and will undoubtably end in a poor outcome even if it does.

I've said it before and people bag it, but we're past the point where the Raiders need to explore the potential of building their own venue (with the NRL's assistance you'd like to imagine), because Bruce doesn't have another decade in her as main venue, let alone two. Nothing state of the art, just a humble 15-20k seater with room to expand that they can use for most games, and keep Bruce for higher drawing games. It's likely the best way forward, but this is RL and the NRL, and the proposition that they do something for themselves to alleviate the situation, instead of relying on outside bodies and the taxpayer, will likely be highly offensive to them.

I'm pretty sure you need approval by a government agency just to put up a carport let alone a stadium.

But yep, the raiders can just start building a 20k seat stadium somewhere in Canberra, no worries mate, no one will notice or try to block it.

 

[Steel Saints]

The blokes agenda is bloody obvious. Can’t say what it is as I’ll get deleted

Rectangular codes shouldn't be under the thumb of the AFL. It will stymie their growth.

 

[Steel Saints]

He’s talking a league games and internationals

it’s only the soccer World Cup has archaic rules

Having a rectangular code played at an oval venue is just about as archaic as Sydney suburban grounds with hills.

And Stadium Australia should have been redeveloped into permanently rectangular straight after the Olympics.

 

[beave]

Having a rectangular code played at an oval venue is just about as archaic as Sydney suburban grounds with hills.

And Stadium Australia should have been redeveloped into permanently rectangular straight after the Olympics.

The upper levels on the sides would have still been shit, they weren't going to knock down half the stadium and bring one side in 25m. The design was alright for the olympics but absolutely shitful for the remaining life of it which was predominantly going to be rectangle sports.

What should have happened IMO was in the original design for the olympics, was both side stands built 15m closer to the pitch but the lower bowl front row have a 5m drop off, then when the olympics was over, continue to build the side lower bowl down towards the pitch. It would have lost some capacity but did the joint really need a 110k capacity for the olympics?

I went to the opening double header in 1999 and the flaws of the joint were obvious for footy immediately.

The ends should have been demolished and brought in the 30m and the AFL told to f**k off but that argument is for another day.

 

[Wb1234]

Having a rectangular code played at an oval venue is just about as archaic as Sydney suburban grounds with hills.

And Stadium Australia should have been redeveloped into permanently rectangular straight after the Olympics.

Anyone’s arguing aami park isnt perfect for our needs in the city is a bit clueless

and marvel and the mcg have a long record of hosting our bigger games

you think the vic govt is going to spend 1 to 3 billion on that white elephant ?

 

[Steel Saints]

Anyone’s arguing aami park isnt perfect for our needs in the city is a bit clueless

and marvel and the mcg have a long record of hosting our bigger games

you think the vic govt is going to spend 1 to 3 billion on that white elephant ?

Just like Stadium Australia, if AAMI Park was done right initially, without the need of a vanity roof structure, then it could've expand capacity.

Football teams like the Storm want to grow, and not be limited by the constraints of a stadium.

 

[Steel Saints]

The upper levels on the sides would have still been shit, they weren't going to knock down half the stadium and bring one side in 25m. The design was alright for the olympics but absolutely shitful for the remaining life of it which was predominantly going to be rectangle sports.

What should have happened IMO was in the original design for the olympics, was both side stands built 15m closer to the pitch but the lower bowl front row have a 5m drop off, then when the olympics was over, continue to build the side lower bowl down towards the pitch. It would have lost some capacity but did the joint really need a 110k capacity for the olympics?

I went to the opening double header in 1999 and the flaws of the joint were obvious for footy immediately.

The ends should have been demolished and brought in the 30m and the AFL told to f**k off but that argument is for another day.

You've explained it quite well.

 

[Pneuma]

Just like Stadium Australia, if AAMI Park was done right initially, without the need of a vanity roof structure, then it could've expand capacity.

Football teams like the Storm want to grow, and not be limited by the constraints of a stadium.

But old mate Jamberoo reckons it’s too big for them! Nothing beats an alleged rugby league fan who wants his club to play in a small stadium and play their bigger games at a stadium owned by the enemy.

 

[Wb1234]

Just like Stadium Australia, if AAMI Park was done right initially, without the need of a vanity roof structure, then it could've expand capacity.

Football teams like the Storm want to grow, and not be limited by the constraints of a stadium.

So storm are regularly selling out aami are they ?

the roof is sexy

 

[Perth Red]

Storm only use around 60% capacity of ammi, theyve got plenty of room to grow still there.