The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[jim_57]

Allianz opened only a year ago and cost $828mill for a bells and whistles 42,500 stadium.

Penrith didnt need to be as good as commbank. Not sure how much paceway was going to cost to purchase be geez thats some inflation on the cost of Allianz!

Construction is out of control in this country. They are building this amazing 60k stadium and surrounding sports area in Hong Kong for $600mill Aus

Kai Tak Sports Park - Populous

Nestled in a parkland setting with Hong Kong’s iconic Lion Rock as its backdrop, the new Kai Tak Sports Park is a 28-hectare urban oasis, where cutting-edge sports venues sit alongside retail, wellness, recreational and community spaces. With a master plan and architecture designed by Populous...

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It sounds like an exaggerated figure to use as an excuse for Penrith not getting anywhere near why was originally planned. Construction prices have gone up but not tripled surely.

 

[Canard]

How in holy hell can a 30k stadium cost $900mill to build? Gold taps quoted? Looks like RL is going to get stiffed once again.

Well Spurs 60k stadium cost $2B AUD about 15% CPI inflation increases ago.

 

[Timbo]

$309 million is still a very decent amont for one club to recieve. Manly's Northern Stand cost $32.5 million.

You'd imagine a fairly solid rebuild for the majority of the stadium will come from that.

 

[Timbo]

Allianz opened only a year ago and cost $828mill for a bells and whistles 42,500 stadium.

Penrith didnt need to be as good as commbank. Not sure how much paceway was going to cost to purchase be geez thats some inflation on the cost of Allianz!

Construction is out of control in this country. They are building this amazing 60k stadium and surrounding sports area in Hong Kong for $600mill Aus

Kai Tak Sports Park - Populous

Nestled in a parkland setting with Hong Kong’s iconic Lion Rock as its backdrop, the new Kai Tak Sports Park is a 28-hectare urban oasis, where cutting-edge sports venues sit alongside retail, wellness, recreational and community spaces. With a master plan and architecture designed by Populous...

populous.com

It helps when the government is actively importing underpaid, underqualified workers who are effective slave labour to appease the business side and keep costs down:

https://hongkongfp.com/2023/06/14/hong-kong-seeks-to-import-20000-workers-amid-labour-shortage-in-construction-and-transport-sectors/

 

[bazza]

Allianz opened only a year ago and cost $828mill for a bells and whistles 42,500 stadium.

Penrith didnt need to be as good as commbank. Not sure how much paceway was going to cost to purchase be geez thats some inflation on the cost of Allianz!

Construction is out of control in this country. They are building this amazing 60k stadium and surrounding sports area in Hong Kong for $600mill Aus

Kai Tak Sports Park - Populous

Nestled in a parkland setting with Hong Kong’s iconic Lion Rock as its backdrop, the new Kai Tak Sports Park is a 28-hectare urban oasis, where cutting-edge sports venues sit alongside retail, wellness, recreational and community spaces. With a master plan and architecture designed by Populous...

populous.com

we don't import slaves to build stadiums in Australia

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Optus has the ability to add in an extra 5000 seats but for both sell out origins they havent used it. Makes no sense.

Rectangular Sports Fact Sheet

The multi-purpose Optus Stadium will be a world-class venue with the flexibility to host soccer, rugby league and rugby union without compromising the fan experience.

optusstadium.com.au

Having watched Easts play at the SCG for four years, those seats brought forward don’t appear to be much closer so I’m sceptical at the viewing experience but agree, not using them makes no sense.

 

[beave]

$309 million is still a very decent amont for one club to recieve. Manly's Northern Stand cost $32.5 million.

You'd imagine a fairly solid rebuild for the majority of the stadium will come from that.

$309 mil is only $10mil short of what QCB in Tvl cost in total.

Crazy to think that sort of money only gets you a refurb now..........

 

[Perth Red]

Well Spurs 60k stadium cost $2B AUD about 15% CPI inflation increases ago.

Have you seen that stadium?

 

[BuffaloRules]

State Govt backflips on Penrith Stadium…
But trust the Feds that they will find the PNG expansion team …

 

[Captain Apollo]

$309 mil is only $10mil short of what QCB in Tvl cost in total.

Crazy to think that sort of money only gets you a refurb now..........

It is far easier, and cheaper, to build a new facility on unoccupied land than it is to refurbish an existing structure. You don't have to work around existing structures, which may have things in them that are not shown on any available building plans.

For example, my workplace, which is an a building built in the early 19th century, has been undergoing major renovations since December 2022 which won't finish until August 2024. This has gone up due to unexpected problems encountered in renovating (e.g. finding previously unknown asbestos lining in certain wall and ceiling cavity spaces) which then extends the time for the renovations to deal with those issues, and thus increasing costs.

Its similar to what happened with the Sydney East Light Rail, the costs blew out as they had a whole heap of unmapped utilities under George Street they had to relocate (e.g. water pipes, electrical conduits).

 

[Wb1234]

It is far easier, and cheaper, to build a new facility on unoccupied land than it is to refurbish an existing structure. You don't have to work around existing structures, which may have things in them that are not shown on any available building plans.

For example, my workplace, which is an a building built in the early 19th century, has been undergoing major renovations since December 2022 which won't finish until August 2024. This has gone up due to unexpected problems encountered in renovating (e.g. finding previously unknown asbestos lining in certain wall and ceiling cavity spaces) which then extends the time for the renovations to deal with those issues, and thus increasing costs.

Its similar to what happened with the Sydney East Light Rail, the costs blew out as they had a whole heap of unmapped utilities under George Street they had to relocate (e.g. water pipes, electrical conduits).

Dial before you dig lol

 

[beave]

It is far easier, and cheaper, to build a new facility on unoccupied land than it is to refurbish an existing structure. You don't have to work around existing structures, which may have things in them that are not shown on any available building plans.

For example, my workplace, which is an a building built in the early 19th century, has been undergoing major renovations since December 2022 which won't finish until August 2024. This has gone up due to unexpected problems encountered in renovating (e.g. finding previously unknown asbestos lining in certain wall and ceiling cavity spaces) which then extends the time for the renovations to deal with those issues, and thus increasing costs.

Its similar to what happened with the Sydney East Light Rail, the costs blew out as they had a whole heap of unmapped utilities under George Street they had to relocate (e.g. water pipes, electrical conduits).

Yeah understand all that mate.

But you have to remember with QCB, the shit required for it to pass the cyclone requirements is quite substantial and far beyond what you need down south and would have added a fair bit to the design and cost and even then it was only $10mil more than the lippy on a pig route they're now going with Penrith.

If only there was land somewhere else in Penrith where a new joint could be built and avoid the paceway clownery?

 

[azza29]

How does a 25-30k stadium in Penrith cost more than Allianz?

Must be using the same calculators as the Victorian Commonwealth Games people.

 

[Timbo]

Let’s wait for designs before we pass judgement on Penrith. $309 million is not nothing.

 

[Wb1234]

Panthers ceo time to talk to albanese

Penrith council can donate the land if not paceway

 

[Marlins]

Let’s wait for designs before we pass judgement on Penrith. $309 million is not nothing.

By the way the Labor governments playing this the Penrith Stadium will get nothing. It’ll keep getting pushed back until The Liberals get back in. Anyway, Penrith would be better off waiting then getting $200m worth of lipstick and a couple of new Dunny’s. Imo if Penrith get half a job done now, that’ll be it for 20-40 years. Why wouldn’t anyone here want a proper job done?

 

[Suitman]

Let’s wait for designs before we pass judgement on Penrith. $309 million is not nothing.

Yes, it is.
Stadiums can be designed cheaply. Flat pack style. Like the Gold Coast.
It's then not expensive to build a dozen toilet blocks and food outlets beneath them.
The major problem is that this is a govt project. Governments have no idea how to control finances because it isn't their money. It's ours.
The City of Parramatta got a knock down re-build (including demolition of the pool site) for not much above this for a 30 000 seat decent stadium.
Yes, I know that construction costs have increased substantially. I'm in the building game.
But $300 million should be able to get the Panthers (and pretty much no other major tenant at this stage) more than just a reno.
This is just the Labor Party playing political games.
There is absolutely no f**king way a new stadium at the Paceway site was going to cost $900 million. That figure is just fanciful and to justify what they are going to spend now.

 

[Timbo]

Yeah, because the private sector is much better at managing money and doesn’t funnel it all to their mates.

Jesus f**king Christ a stadium used by ONE NRL club is receiving $300 million in funding in a state where schools and hospitals are being held up by sticky tape and people are complaining that it’s not enough and that we should bail up the Prime Minister.

Also, yes. It is public money being handed out by the state government. And it’s a venue that 98% of the taxpayers in the state will never see a cent of benefit from. I live in Newcastle. I’ll never go to this stadium. I have no problem with the upgrade, but I have a massive issue with overspending and waste when the last time I went to a public hospital I sat in the waiting room for eight hours.

Do not let perfect be the enemy of good. Or you’ll never get anything.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes, it is.
Stadiums can be designed cheaply. Flat pack style. Like the Gold Coast.
It's then not expensive to build a dozen toilet blocks and food outlets beneath them.
The major problem is that this is a govt project. Governments have no idea how to control finances because it isn't their money. It's ours.
The City of Parramatta got a knock down re-build (including demolition of the pool site) for not much above this for a 30 000 seat decent stadium.
Yes, I know that construction costs have increased substantially. I'm in the building game.
But $300 million should be able to get the Panthers (and pretty much no other major tenant at this stage) more than just a reno.
This is just the Labor Party playing political games.
There is absolutely no f**king way a new stadium at the Paceway site was going to cost $900 million. That figure is just fanciful and to justify what they are going to spend now.

Yeh the way they can build stands these days on a skeleton frame with the food and toilets then separate underneath makes it much cheaper option than a commbank style beaut stadium. I can’t believe they can’t build that style 3 stands then a decent corporate stand for $300mill.

 

[Perth Red]

Can you imagine an interested yank sports fan googling who this manly is and seeing brookvale oval? Lol
in a country where high school football teams play in all seaters they would think NRL is a park football sport.

misd high schools new stadium development

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/05/10/us/11xp-mckinney/11xp-mckinney-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp