The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Wb1234]

A pretty good and not unreasonable outcome for Penrith would be the same as McDonald Jones stadium, no? I’ve never been but it looks spot on for a regional club. Is $309m enough to get that done?

Probably not

they could do a main stand and one behind the posts (Wollongong) then leave the rest as is till more funding is available

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Probably not

they could do a main stand and one behind the posts (Wollongong) then leave the rest as is till more funding is available

Probably not

they could do a main stand and one behind the posts (Wollongong) then leave the rest as is till more funding is available

Kardinia Park in Geelong is getting a 14K grandstand plus a few other bits for $142M.
Assuming you could build two identical similar sized stands for a bit less than that each (as there would be some cost savings in the duplication) you’d probably get main stands done for around 250m at 28K capacity, then just wrap some terracing around the ends to get to 30-32K.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Probably not

they could do a main stand and one behind the posts (Wollongong) then leave the rest as is till more funding is available

I reckon a stadium like Audi Field would be a cracker at the Gong. One of the sidelines is significantly shorter so you could keep most of the view.

Bit of a tin stadium, but great rake.

 

[Perth Red]

$100mill 14k main stand
$150mill 10k corporates/members stand
$40mill two uncovered 2000 each end stands
$19mill for Screens, pitch, etc

28k stadium sorted

We built a 10k main covered stand, a 2600 uncovered end stand plus pitch replacement, electronic advertising, two big screens plus lower bowl seating of 1000 for $90mill ten years ago at HBF park at the height of a WA tradie shortage.

 

[Perth Red]

I wonder if this is an opportunity for NRL and Panthers to look at working together to chip in and own the stadium? Say the NRL and Panthers chipped in $50mill each. State govt contribution reduces to $250mill, Panthers and NRL take ownership of the stadium? Nice asset for both parties to have on the books, can utilise it to make revenue, State govt doesn't have to spend so much so they'll be happy. Would the Penrith council allow it?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

AFL Red: Architecture, Engineering and Major Works expert.

 

[Iamback]

Kardinia Park in Geelong is getting a 14K grandstand plus a few other bits for $142M.
Assuming you could build two identical similar sized stands for a bit less than that each (as there would be some cost savings in the duplication) you’d probably get main stands done for around 250m at 28K capacity, then just wrap some terracing around the ends to get to 30-32K.

Different circumstances.

That new grandstands is stage 5 of the development, The total cost is closer to $400m. The early stages costs fixes issues.

Take Penrith, A stand like Brookie has was the plan allowing Cricket field to have a stand as well.

That was shelved for the new amentities. Had that of gone ahead the sewage pipes would of been moved, making the current build cheaper.

The main stand is the original stand, Who knows what demons they find under there.

So it will end up being a couple of new stands and very few extra general public seats at the end of it

 

[Valheru]

Penrith also have a 10 year deal with Bathurst for a game as well so there goes 8.33% of that content for the first few years of the stadium.

Unlike Canberra, Newcastle or even Campbelltown Football & Rugby Union wouldn’t be interested in the slightest in helping. Best NRL could offer would be a test or two, maybe a women’s Origin or All-Stars game.

Penrith should be snatching the 309m with both hands, hopefully that could get them 2 new covered grandstands that are designed to wrap around the end(s) in the future.

This

I'm all for the government providing sporting infrastructure as I think the ROI in the long run is high but we have to b realistic about what each stadium offers the wider community as the government won't fund everything.

The SFS has 3 full time tenants playing approx 35 regular season fixtures between them. Add in some finals fixtures and the balance of probability would suggest around 40 events each year from those 3 tenants. Then you have internationals across all 3 sports, women's fixtures, concerts and the odd Boxing extravaganza and the ROI and overall economic boost to local businesses is clear. That's not to mention the precinct (SCG) has another 3 full time tenants for another 20 odd fixtures although the shield doesn't get a crowd.

Penrith would be used 11 times a year so I think $300m is fair.

 

[Pjf04b]

Build bigger main stands with small end stands then. The end tiers don’t have to be the same size as the sides, two 13K capacity main stands with a 2-3K capacity uncovered stand at each end should be doable for $309m.

Not with the government's costings.

 

[Munky]

AFL Red: Architecture, Engineering and Major Works expert.

I want to rent a house pay 2/7 of the renovation cost and take ownership so the landlord doesn't have to worry about it.

 

[Perth Red]

I want to rent a house pay 2/7 of the renovation cost and take ownership so the landlord doesn't have to worry about it.

Your analogy makes no sense given the Penrith council own the stadium, the panthers manage it and the State govt is funding the renovation.

 

[siv]

Smaller Stadiums should use the strategy in Newcastle

Build one stand at a time

Newcastle has built two and ready for 3 and 4

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Smaller Stadiums should use the strategy in Newcastle

Build one stadium at a time

Newcastle has built two and ready for 3 and 4

Do you mean one stand at a time?

 

[Brian potter]

Smaller Stadiums should use the strategy in Newcastle

Build one stadium at a time

Newcastle has built two and ready for 3 and 4

Exactly, especially if the money isn’t there for a complete stadium redevelopment.

best to concentrate monies on both main grandstands of around 10-12k and leave both goal ends basic designs of either 2-4k each grass hills or temporary seating stan ds open for future development like Newcastle or the central coast stadiums.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly, especially if the money isn’t there for a complete stadium redevelopment.

best to concentrate monies on both main grandstands of around 10-12k and leave both goal ends basic designs of either 2-4k each grass hills or temporary seating stan ds open for future development like Newcastle or the central coast stadiums.

The South end stand at HBF park has been built to add a roof and a further 1800 seats filling in the corners when the west stand is built. That would be a good way to go for penrith. One of these at each end and two main stands will be a big improvement on current facilities and capacity and still give future growth and improvement options as and when.

 

[shewi6]

Sydney’s newest stadiums – worth a combined cost of nearly $1.2 billion – could sit unused and unloved throughout the NRL finals.

This masthead can reveal Allianz Stadium in Sydney’s east - and possibly CommBank Stadium in the city’s west - might remain empty due to the NRL’s finals structure.

One NRL club CEO said: “It would seem like madness not using the best stadiums for the biggest games of the year.”

The redevelopment of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park cost $830m while the rebuilding of CommBank Stadium at Parramatta cost $360m.

That is $1.19 billion worth of taxpayers’ money.

The city’s newest shiniest toys have only recently been built with Allianz completed in August last year and CommBank opening in 2019.

Strangely, one Sydney venue likely to host a home final be would Cronulla’s PointsBet Stadium, which holds 13,500 fans.

The blackout of Allianz and possible CommBank snub comes through a quirk of the draw and would be dependent on where teams finish on the NRL competition ladder and which are non-Sydney clubs.

There will be a maximum of just three finals games played in Sydney before the October 1 grand final at Accor Stadium.

Penrith is certain to play two finals matches, the first at BlueBet Stadium, their home ground, the second likely to be a preliminary final at Accor Stadium, should they win week one.

Cronulla is the other Sydney side that can secure a week one home final by finishing fifth or sixth.

The NRL has already stated that Cronulla can play that home final at the capacity-reduced PointsBet Stadium.

Should they advance to week two, Cronulla’s only possible Sydney opponent would be Penrith away.

There are multiple venue possibilities dependent on results but Allianz Stadium is certain to miss out altogether.

The NRL is aware of the situation but preferred not to comment given the possible draw variations that could unfold.

“I’m sure everyone wants big games played at big stadiums but this is just bad luck – it’s the luck of the draw,” said one NRL coach, when told of the dilemma.

Souths and the Sydney Roosters – two glamour clubs – can only finish seventh or eighth, meaning neither side can host a home final.

If Penrith lose in week one, the NRL would ask that they play week two at a larger stadium. That could be CommBank Stadium but more likely Accor Stadium.

In week one of the finals, teams finishing first and second host finals, as will sides finishing fifth and sixth.

Allianz Stadium can seat 45,500 fans with CommBank able to accommodate 30,000 supporters.

Sydney may be starved of finals footy with Brisbane, Warriors, Newcastle and Melbourne qualifying for finals places. North Queensland also has a chance of reaching the playoffs.

 

[shewi6]

Build it and they (won't) come...to play

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Where is this artice from please?

 

[shewi6]

Where is this artice from please?

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Newscorpse, probably daily telegraph

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Utter trash journalism. So the NRL should rig the competition to allow Sydney teams to finish higher and use the new stadiums? If the teams don't qualify then no finals will be played at the stadiums. Seems pretty reasonable to me.