The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

Sorry guys, can someone explain to me why we need ANZ redeveloped? I don't like it either but I don't want $2billion of NSW money to be spent on redoing this behemoth.

$2 Billion isn’t being spent on ANZ. It’s $1.2b

And it’s being rebuilt because it was poorly designed for its current purpose, hosting rectangular football codes.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Because it has no purpose other than for rectangular codes. The oval codes that wanted it in its current configuration have abandoned it anyway (Cricket/VFL).

After the Olympic circus has passed through town most of these purpose built stadiums around the world either get demolished or sit in ruin. It's nothing unusual. The likes of Fitzsimmons are stirring up fake controversy for clicks because they work for a dead medium. Just do a quick search of Fairfax layoffs.

Good point

Our Olympic stadium has actually been used far more than most others.

Rio -already in a run down state

London - converted for West Ham to use, far less than how often our one is used.

Beijing - not sure? Presume it’s well looked after but can’t imagine much other than football being played there.

Athens - pretty sure it’s in bad shape, possibly used for football though

Atlanta - used by the Braves

Barcelona - used by Espanyol

 

[jim_57]

https://www.change.org/p/nsw-government-sydney-stadium-upgrades-must-happen/

Some of the comments even on that petition are infuriating. Just because there are homeless people no money should ever be spent on any nice things, ever.

So many sheep and Helen Lovejoys in this world.

 

[OldPanther]

Some of the comments even on that petition are infuriating. Just because there are homeless people no money should ever be spent on any nice things, ever.

So many sheep and Helen Lovejoys in this world.

I just wish it could get more exposure. No one wants to touch it for fear of going against the children.

 

[Pommy]

Sorry guys, can someone explain to me why we need ANZ redeveloped? I don't like it either but I don't want $2billion of NSW money to be spent on redoing this behemoth.

Because Sydney, one of the greatest city’s in the world needs a stadium which isn’t utter toilet.
What didn’t need to be done was a knock down rebuild at Para, whilst I’m glad it’s happening it would have been fine as it was. Although I notice you’re not complaining about that.
Would it be better if this was down to the private sector? It totally would be but that just isn’t that way things have panned out in Australia.

 

[El Diablo]

Some of the comments even on that petition are infuriating. Just because there are homeless people no money should ever be spent on any nice things, ever.

So many sheep and Helen Lovejoys in this world.

and there's a heap that list their location as another state so those f**kers don't even count seeing they can't vote

 

[Angry_eel]

Because Sydney, one of the greatest city’s in the world needs a stadium which isn’t utter toilet.
What didn’t need to be done was a knock down rebuild at Para, whilst I’m glad it’s happening it would have been fine as it was. Although I notice you’re not complaining about that.
Would it be better if this was down to the private sector? It totally would be but that just isn’t that way things have planned out in Australia.

I didn't mind the old Parra stadium either and we needed a slightly bigger stadium but not a whole new one.

 

[Pommy]

I didn't mind the old Parra stadium either and we needed a slightly bigger stadium but not a whole new one.

Need? When there’s people starving on the streets?

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...k=dc0e282564d5dad696aca0f603e8f918-1513081631

ANZ and Allianz stadiums to be bulldozed and rebuilt to world standards

ANNA CALDWELL, The Daily Telegraph
in 33 minutes

BULLDOZING Sydney’s ANZ Stadium and rebuilding it from scratch would be $132 million cheaper than renovating the ageing sports arena.

In confidential financial modelling obtained by The Daily Telegraph, the Berejiklian Government has put paid to claims a refurbishment of NSW stadiums would be a better financial option than simply razing them and starting again.

It can be revealed an ANZ Stadium renovation option, considered by the state government, would have cost $1.385 billion.

Instead, the state government has agreed to the $1.253 billion option of bulldozing the Sydney Olympic Park stadium and rebuilding it to world class standards.

It is also understood that one “cut price” option was considered by the government but rejected by the major sporting codes. This included the NRL and ARU.

That option would have cost $944.5 million and renovated only the stadium’s lower bowl and corporate suites.

It was an alternative that would have seen the NRL and the ARU take matches elsewhere.

The Daily Telegraph understands that analysts KPMG provided modelling for three options and bulldozing completely had the strongest benefit cost ratio.

Asked why the cut price plan was rejected, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres said: “Reconfiguring the lower half of the stadium was not acceptable to the hirers and the government believes it would not have generated a world class rectangular stadium.”

The second renovation option considered by KPMG would have reconfigured all seats around a rectangular stadium, bringing every level closer to the field as per world standard.

The sporting codes accepted this formation, which cost $1.385 billion — the most expensive option presented to the government and offering 75,900 seats.

The third option, labelled the “full redevelopment”, was to raze and rebuild the stadium to world class standards from scratch and provide 75,000 seats.

“In the choice between bringing every seat closer, and knocking down and rebuilding ANZ, it’s a lower cost to knock down and rebuild ANZ,” Mr Ayres said.

“If they were the only two options available to the government to deliver a world class stadium then we went with the lower cost.”

The government has committed to bulldozing and rebuilding both ANZ and Allianz stadiums at a total cost of over $2 billion.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian has cited a boost to tourism and jobs as a key factor behind the renovations, with Sydney being left behind in the battle for key events otherwise.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...k=47039616123f8f664c11b5cd27ae716f-1513082013

World-class stadiums are vital to Sydney’s ongoing economic success and future

Patricia Forsythe, Sydney Business Chamber chief, The Daily Telegraph
in 26 minutes

THIS week figures were released which showed the Sydney economy accounted for more than 40 per cent of the nation’s economy. A big contributor to this success is our major events program.

But Sydney has no automatic right to host major events. This is why other state governments across the country have spent billions of dollars developing their own world-class stadiums while NSW has stood still.

Just look at the recent Test match at the redeveloped Adelaide Oval, or next month’s one-day international at the new 60,000-seat, $1.6 billion stadium in Perth, which is already sold out.

Investment in the stadiums means we can compete on the world stage for events such as the FIFA Women’s World Cup, the Rugby World Cup, and keep Sydney as the No. 1 major events destination.

While there has been plenty of argument about spending priorities, the paradox is that the economic activity that would be lost if we do not act now would mean less money would be available to spend on vital services such as health and education. While the NSW economy is strong, there will never be a better opportunity to make these investments.

Patricia Forsythe is executive director of the Sydney Business Chamber

 

[Perth Red]

There can’t be many for profit businesses where the govt builds them billion $ premises to operate from?

 

[herbert henry1908]

There can’t be many for profit businesses where the govt builds them billion $ premises to operate from?

Govt sink heaps of money into business;

Film & TV industry gets a lot of grants, often through very cheap access to venues to shoot at.

Music industry shares these stadiums

Toll roads are often part funded by govt

Metro line in Sydney & rail lines in Melbourne are built by govt and run by private enterprise

NSW ferry fleet is bought by govt and run privately



It’s not like these clubs are being gifted the stadiums, they have to pay for access, just like any business does. If ANZ stadium is operated properly it should make a enough of a profit over the next 30 years to significantly offset the cost of the build. Perhaps as much as 75% of the building cost could be recovered. (Based on previous reports of the stadium making $30m per year)

 

[unforgiven]

The real crime here is why were ANZ and Allianz designed so poorly in the first place? Particularly Allianz. Since Day 1 it's had issues with the roof not providing protection from either the sun or the rain.

Govt sink heaps of money into business;

Film & TV industry gets a lot of grants, often through very cheap access to venues to shoot at.

Music industry shares these stadiums

Toll roads are often part funded by govt

Metro line in Sydney & rail lines in Melbourne are built by govt and run by private enterprise

NSW ferry fleet is bought by govt and run privately



It’s not like these clubs are being gifted the stadiums, they have to pay for access, just like any business does. If ANZ stadium is operated properly it should make a enough of a profit over the next 30 years to significantly offset the cost of the build. Perhaps as much as 75% of the building cost could be recovered. (Based on previous reports of the stadium making $30m per year)

The government will also still own these stadiums, the government see this as an investment, spending money to make money. It's also an investment in other industries, major events bring tourists, so it's an investment to help hotels and other business in the tourism market. It's just like the people who complain about the outlay for fireworks for NYE, the money spend on these types of things can returned to the state and businesses that operate in the state. It is not just the NRL that benefits from these stadiums.

 

[OldPanther]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...k=dc0e282564d5dad696aca0f603e8f918-1513081631

ANZ and Allianz stadiums to be bulldozed and rebuilt to world standards

ANNA CALDWELL, The Daily Telegraph
in 33 minutes

BULLDOZING Sydney’s ANZ Stadium and rebuilding it from scratch would be $132 million cheaper than renovating the ageing sports arena.

In confidential financial modelling obtained by The Daily Telegraph, the Berejiklian Government has put paid to claims a refurbishment of NSW stadiums would be a better financial option than simply razing them and starting again.

It can be revealed an ANZ Stadium renovation option, considered by the state government, would have cost $1.385 billion.

Instead, the state government has agreed to the $1.253 billion option of bulldozing the Sydney Olympic Park stadium and rebuilding it to world class standards.

It is also understood that one “cut price” option was considered by the government but rejected by the major sporting codes. This included the NRL and ARU.

That option would have cost $944.5 million and renovated only the stadium’s lower bowl and corporate suites.

It was an alternative that would have seen the NRL and the ARU take matches elsewhere.

The Daily Telegraph understands that analysts KPMG provided modelling for three options and bulldozing completely had the strongest benefit cost ratio.

Asked why the cut price plan was rejected, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres said: “Reconfiguring the lower half of the stadium was not acceptable to the hirers and the government believes it would not have generated a world class rectangular stadium.”

The second renovation option considered by KPMG would have reconfigured all seats around a rectangular stadium, bringing every level closer to the field as per world standard.

The sporting codes accepted this formation, which cost $1.385 billion — the most expensive option presented to the government and offering 75,900 seats.

The third option, labelled the “full redevelopment”, was to raze and rebuild the stadium to world class standards from scratch and provide 75,000 seats.

“In the choice between bringing every seat closer, and knocking down and rebuilding ANZ, it’s a lower cost to knock down and rebuild ANZ,” Mr Ayres said.

“If they were the only two options available to the government to deliver a world class stadium then we went with the lower cost.”

The government has committed to bulldozing and rebuilding both ANZ and Allianz stadiums at a total cost of over $2 billion.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian has cited a boost to tourism and jobs as a key factor behind the renovations, with Sydney being left behind in the battle for key events otherwise.

So does this mean it's locked in ?

 

[Angry_eel]

Thanks for the explanations and articles. Sounds like we need it but the Govt is doing a bad job at advertising these developments. At the end of the day, they will worry about their own seats and may backtrack if the public pressure is bad enough.

 

[OldPanther]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...k=47039616123f8f664c11b5cd27ae716f-1513082013

World-class stadiums are vital to Sydney’s ongoing economic success and future

Patricia Forsythe, Sydney Business Chamber chief, The Daily Telegraph
in 26 minutes

THIS week figures were released which showed the Sydney economy accounted for more than 40 per cent of the nation’s economy. A big contributor to this success is our major events program.

But Sydney has no automatic right to host major events. This is why other state governments across the country have spent billions of dollars developing their own world-class stadiums while NSW has stood still.

Just look at the recent Test match at the redeveloped Adelaide Oval, or next month’s one-day international at the new 60,000-seat, $1.6 billion stadium in Perth, which is already sold out.

Investment in the stadiums means we can compete on the world stage for events such as the FIFA Women’s World Cup, the Rugby World Cup, and keep Sydney as the No. 1 major events destination.

While there has been plenty of argument about spending priorities, the paradox is that the economic activity that would be lost if we do not act now would mean less money would be available to spend on vital services such as health and education. While the NSW economy is strong, there will never be a better opportunity to make these investments.

Patricia Forsythe is executive director of the Sydney Business Chamber

Some comments against when I posted on the other forum, for both sides of the story.

"the paradox is that the economic activity that would be lost if we do not act now would mean less money would be available to spend on vital services such as health and education.

if this were true they would have released the modelling that proves it"

"The Daily Telegraph understands that analysts KPMG provided modelling for three options and bulldozing completely had the strongest benefit cost ratio.

Yeah but those 3 options are all spend spend spend, what's the CBR for not doing anything at the moment?"

"
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-case-for-a-new-stadium-at-moore-park-20171212-h03783.html

that is insignificant surface corrosion that could be fixed with maintenance (sand blasting and repainting) - im sure they sent in photos of the worst of it too

disabled access and fire protection systems dont cost $1b"

 

[Timbo]

Just get the wrecking balls swinging and the contracts signed before the election. Then I'll be a happy boy.

 

[beave]

There can’t be many for profit businesses where the govt builds them billion $ premises to operate from?

A heap of NFL and MLB stadiums are financed by the local council by implementing new or raising taxes (hotel bed tax etc). It’s not un-common in america. The teams approach the council and threaten to leave and they usually get what they want.

Im a huge Tampa Bay Bucs fan, I went to a home game this weekend (stadium pics are in the week 14 thread in the NFL folder if you wanna check them out). The new owners approached the city in 1996 and threatened to leave the city if a new stadium wasn’t built, they buckled. Their stadium is beautiful. 65k (no roof though) huge pirate ship at one end, cost $150mil US in 1998 to build. Insane. They recently spent about $100mil US upgrading the video boards, building a team store and upgrading the corporate boxes. $30 mil by the owners, $70mil by the council. They know the worth to the city and are locked in to keeping it up to date. If they dont, no superbowls or college bowls will be played in Tampa. Huge cash and exposure losses.

Some stadiums are heavily financed by PSL (personal seat liscense) whereby you pay the team a couple of grand initially and you own the seat for the rest of your life but have to pay for the cost of season tickets each season. My in-laws neighbors have been Carolina Panthers PSL holders since they started in the mid 90’s, their name is inscribed on a plaque at the bottom of a massive panther statue out front of the stadium as part of being an original PSL owner. I think the new Atlanta Falcons stadium was heavily financed this way as well. The Georgia dome was only 20 years old and they only blew it up a couple of weeks ago.

 

[morley101]

It will be interesting if Fitzsimmons goes quiet now since the ARU are bidding for 2027 world cup. By 2027
ANZ would be 30 years and the SFS 40 years old...

 

[herbert henry1908]

It will be interesting if Fitzsimmons goes quiet now since the ARU are bidding for 2027 world cup.

I think he’s too invested.

Tbh he’s already annoying people within rugby, the Waratahs desperately need a new stadium. Their crowds have been declining significantly, they need any help they can get.