The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Pommy]

Obviously it’s rothfield, so take it with a grain of salt.

$900m for Allianz is totally absurd though, it’s a club stadium ffs!

Interesting though there is more talk of 30,000 being the right size.View attachment 17968

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...d/news-story/38933c39bf804f244ed78b79de4e33aa

Whilst I agree 45k is overkill, what a weird quote from the telegraph, a venue that only hosts 10 NRL games. Whilst that might be true it reads like it only hosts NRL games and is only used 10 times a year.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Whilst I agree 45k is overkill, what a weird quote from the telegraph, a venue that only hosts 10 NRL games. Whilst that might be true it reads like it only hosts NRL games and is only used 10 times a year.

Yeah the more relevant figure is how little the venue gets more than 30,000 for all sports.

Which is only 3-4 times iirc

 

[Saint Doc]

Yeah the more relevant figure is how little the venue gets more than 30,000 for all sports.

Which is only 3-4 times iirc

ANZAC Day
1 x Wallabies test
1 x a-league derby
Occasional other event (prelim final, a-league GF etc)

 

[herbert henry1908]

I’d make Allianz 35k & dial bake some of the bells and whistles.

The reduction would mean you wouldn’t need the expense of the club mode led lighting to cover the seats.

Placates the anti stadium crowd with some savings. I mean $900m would be embarrassing for a club ground.

 

[macavity]

I’d make Allianz 35k & dial bake some of the bells and whistles.

The reduction would mean you wouldn’t need the expense of the club mode led lighting to cover the seats.

Placates the anti stadium crowd with some savings. I mean $900m would be embarrassing for a club ground.

Allianz should be a basic stadium ala Newcastle or Central Coast. Literally a basic club ground, 25k. 200 mil or so.

The big games go to ANZ.

 

[macavity]

And the other shoe drops with old hanky head in today’s column.

He can “live with” just Allianz being done and the Govt should ignore the NRL.

Doesn’t even try to hide his class warrior stripes.

 

[Vee]

And the other shoe drops with old hanky head in today’s column.

He can “live with” just Allianz being done and the Govt should ignore the NRL.

Doesn’t even try to hide his class warrior stripes.

Link?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Allianz should be a basic stadium ala Newcastle or Central Coast. Literally a basic club ground, 25k. 200 mil or so.

The big games go to ANZ.

25k might work if there were no stadium members, but too small for this situation.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...n/news-story/7bd103ac4fd92f8f9614e950f55daea6

Etihad Stadium precinct makeover near but deal needs AFL to spend on women

MATT JOHNSTON, Herald Sun
23 minutes ago

A NEW plan to breathe life into the Etihad Stadium precinct and improve footy fans’ experiences is a step closer.

But any deal between the AFL and the Andrews Government to boost the second biggest stadium in Melbourne through a cash injection of hundreds of millions of dollars is likely to require the league spending more on women’s facilities around the state.

Negotiations over a plan to boost Docklands, which would see new open-air bars and gardens, have progressed, senior sources say.

The government is also keen to expand and improve Southern Cross station, delivering more platforms and better connectivity to Docklands as part of the project.

But if the massive stadium fix is endorsed as part of the government’s May Budget, it will almost certainly kill off a proposal by Collingwood president Eddie McGuire for a $1 billion new ground opposite the MCG and the Melbourne Park tennis precinct.

The Herald Sun revealed in 2016 that AFL chiefs had presented a glossy 32-page document, Docklands Reimagined, to Premier Daniel Andrews and Sport Minister John Eren.

Under the AFL’s $300 million revamp plan for tired Etihad, the arena would open out to Harbour Esplanade and a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

A running track would wind its way around the ground, with grassed parkland, including a playground for children on the western side.

Open-air bars and restaurants would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom.

A revamped facade, giant rock climbing wall outside and even community yoga classes on the playing surface have also been mooted.

The government has since embarked on a wider review of all stadiums in Victoria.

It is understood the government has suggested that further funding for AFLW facilities must be locked in by the AFL before a deal is done.

Any move to change the Etihad Stadium precinct would look to boost tourism, as well as the night life and options for residents.

Channel 7 last night reported a better deal for tenant clubs, as well as new options for concerts and music events, would be pursued as part of the deal. Under the AFL’s $300 million revamp plan for tired Etihad, the arena would open out to Harbour Esplanade and a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

Open-air bars and restaurants would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom, which could host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

A running track would wind its way around the ground, with grassed parkland, including a playground for children on the western side.

A revamped facade, giant rock climbing wall outside and even community yoga classes on the playing surface have also been mooted.

The revamp will not add to the 54,000-seat capacity but the stands will be upgraded.

i bet not handing money to the AFL won't go down well in Victoriania

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t/news-story/913adf221cbdec667640384ea60cbcec

Libs to shelve $300m Etihad plan, use cash for grassroots sport

Michael Warner, Exclusive, Herald Sun
March 4, 2018 8:49am

A $300 MILLION Etihad Stadium rebuild would be shelved under a Liberal plan to pour taxpayers’ money into grassroots sport.

Opposition leader Matthew Guy has declared Victorian voters should be given the right to decide the future of Melbourne’s sporting infrastructure at November’s state election.

The AFL and Andrews Government are on the verge of signing off on a major taxpayer-funded deal to revamp the rundown Docklands stadium.

But the Coaltion want the talks to stop and the public to decide.

“If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades including building new female change rooms,” Mr Guy told the Sunday Herald Sun.

“It’s about time that our suburban and country sporting clubs rather than just the AFL got some support from the state government.”

The AFL, which recently bought Etihad Stadium for about $200m, wants to breathe new life into the Docklands precinct by opening the ground out to a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

Open-air bars, restaurants, parks and a running track would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom to host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

Community yoga classes on the Etihad playing surface have also been spruiked.

Shadow treasurer Michael O’Brien said Mr Andrews “has no mandate to enter into any lucrative deal with the AFL at the expense of Victoria’s community sporting clubs”.

“No contract should be signed before the election.” Mr O’Brien said.

“The AFL bought Etihad Stadium as a property investment. Good luck to it. But Victorians don’t expect their taxes to prop up the AFL’s finances at the expense of the sporting needs of kids right across our state.

“If he (Andrews) believes that Victorians want their money handed to the AFL, he must have the courage to put it to November’s election.

“Let Victorians decide at the next election between Matthew Guy’s vision for community sport or Daniel Andrews’ plan to hand over buckets of cash to the AFL to renovate just one stadium.”

A government taskforce including Mr Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas, Major Projects Minister Jacinta Allan, Planning Minister Richard Wynne and Sports Minister John Eren — has been reviewing the state’s stadiums and sporting precincts since November 2016.

Government sources say a green light for the Etihad Stadium makeover would likely require the AFL to spend more on women’s facilities around the state.

In a pitch document presented last year, the AFL hinted a revamped Etihad Stadium would be a major vote winner for the government.

“Involvement in this project would ensure the Andrews Government’s legacy as a dynamic, visionary government,” the document said.

“Importantly, this would be achieved for a fraction of the cost of stadium projects in other states.”

Mr Guy added: “I won’t hand over millions of dollars to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium, my goal will be to prioritise funding to our suburban and country sports clubs,” Mr Guy said.

“Grassroots football, netball, cricket, basketball and soccer clubs are crying out for state government support.”

michael.warner@news.com.au

 

[barneybuck888]

i bet not handing money to the AFL won't go down well in Victoriania

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t/news-story/913adf221cbdec667640384ea60cbcec

Libs to shelve $300m Etihad plan, use cash for grassroots sport

Michael Warner, Exclusive, Herald Sun
March 4, 2018 8:49am

A $300 MILLION Etihad Stadium rebuild would be shelved under a Liberal plan to pour taxpayers’ money into grassroots sport.

Opposition leader Matthew Guy has declared Victorian voters should be given the right to decide the future of Melbourne’s sporting infrastructure at November’s state election.

The AFL and Andrews Government are on the verge of signing off on a major taxpayer-funded deal to revamp the rundown Docklands stadium.

But the Coaltion want the talks to stop and the public to decide.

“If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades including building new female change rooms,” Mr Guy told the Sunday Herald Sun.

I reckon the grasping at straws Guy has just lost about 500,000 votes (AFL Members in Victoria) in Victoria.You dont mess with the AFL down south.

 

[colly]

I’d make Allianz 35k & dial bake some of the bells and whistles.

The reduction would mean you wouldn’t need the expense of the club mode led lighting to cover the seats.

Placates the anti stadium crowd with some savings. I mean $900m would be embarrassing for a club ground.

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Here it goes. Pass law that SCG trust can build/in conjunction with a Hotel Consortium a structure at both ends of SFS This law/planning permission is absolute. Then SSG trust patrners with a major hotel chain to build (after demolishing the ends only ) a multi story complex at least 10- 20 higher than sideline roof (ie at the highest NOW height line) This then can the basis of covering the field ( with a translucent) with a roof. All weather. To bring the stadium up towards so called safety could be incorporated into the "Hotel" plans at each end. Furthermore on the current seating arrangements or infrastructure. I would downsize the existing stadium by placing the replay video screens at the very top of each sideline 'grandstand'. With good interior design you can replace some individual seating with 'bays (level) which incorporate seating/or standing and leaning/rails. This provides a space to stand or sit. A space to do a Laurie Nichols without hurting your neighbor.This would lower the overall stadium numbers to maybe 35k but this new design would enhance the Rugby League experience. Corporate boxes will be incorporated into the "hotel complex" facing the field. This possible plan could conceivable pay for itself however the government could pay half the roof costs.? Also on the section between SFS and the SCG (the hotel complex) could also contain a 5-7 thousand tennis /basketball/concert area . Just have the 'rooms' above this section. A major hotel complex would jump at tyhe right to build and mange a 1st class site. Do remember they have many interstate and international teams visiting which then could be accommodated 'onsite'. A 50 year sub lease should encourage a major Hotel chain to build with a few more inducements, like a payroll deduction concession for 10 years. Then we can maybe do the same at Olympic park get the State Government Trust to sign the same deal. I was wrong get the same Hotel chain to do the same with ANZ. Roof and better seating and viewing with minimal costs THEN they could also (hello raider dave) cover stylishly the 'landscaped' and bayed' areas with translucent roof at some suburban grounds.

 

[AJB1102]

i bet not handing money to the AFL won't go down well in Victoriania

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t/news-story/913adf221cbdec667640384ea60cbcec

Libs to shelve $300m Etihad plan, use cash for grassroots sport

Michael Warner, Exclusive, Herald Sun
March 4, 2018 8:49am

A $300 MILLION Etihad Stadium rebuild would be shelved under a Liberal plan to pour taxpayers’ money into grassroots sport.

Opposition leader Matthew Guy has declared Victorian voters should be given the right to decide the future of Melbourne’s sporting infrastructure at November’s state election.

The AFL and Andrews Government are on the verge of signing off on a major taxpayer-funded deal to revamp the rundown Docklands stadium.

But the Coaltion want the talks to stop and the public to decide.

“If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades including building new female change rooms,” Mr Guy told the Sunday Herald Sun.

“It’s about time that our suburban and country sporting clubs rather than just the AFL got some support from the state government.”

The AFL, which recently bought Etihad Stadium for about $200m, wants to breathe new life into the Docklands precinct by opening the ground out to a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

Open-air bars, restaurants, parks and a running track would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom to host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

Community yoga classes on the Etihad playing surface have also been spruiked.

Shadow treasurer Michael O’Brien said Mr Andrews “has no mandate to enter into any lucrative deal with the AFL at the expense of Victoria’s community sporting clubs”.

“No contract should be signed before the election.” Mr O’Brien said.

“The AFL bought Etihad Stadium as a property investment. Good luck to it. But Victorians don’t expect their taxes to prop up the AFL’s finances at the expense of the sporting needs of kids right across our state.

“If he (Andrews) believes that Victorians want their money handed to the AFL, he must have the courage to put it to November’s election.

“Let Victorians decide at the next election between Matthew Guy’s vision for community sport or Daniel Andrews’ plan to hand over buckets of cash to the AFL to renovate just one stadium.”

A government taskforce including Mr Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas, Major Projects Minister Jacinta Allan, Planning Minister Richard Wynne and Sports Minister John Eren — has been reviewing the state’s stadiums and sporting precincts since November 2016.

Government sources say a green light for the Etihad Stadium makeover would likely require the AFL to spend more on women’s facilities around the state.

In a pitch document presented last year, the AFL hinted a revamped Etihad Stadium would be a major vote winner for the government.

“Involvement in this project would ensure the Andrews Government’s legacy as a dynamic, visionary government,” the document said.

“Importantly, this would be achieved for a fraction of the cost of stadium projects in other states.”

Mr Guy added: “I won’t hand over millions of dollars to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium, my goal will be to prioritise funding to our suburban and country sports clubs,” Mr Guy said.

“Grassroots football, netball, cricket, basketball and soccer clubs are crying out for state government support.”

michael.warner@news.com.au

This Matthew Guy fella will be found strung up outside Etihad with a banana shoved up his date if he keeps up this blasphemy.

 

[Raiderdave]

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Here it goes. Pass law that SCG trust can build/in conjunction with a Hotel Consortium a structure at both ends of SFS This law/planning permission is absolute. Then SSG trust patrners with a major hotel chain to build (after demolishing the ends only ) a multi story complex at least 10- 20 higher than sideline roof (ie at the highest NOW height line) This then can the basis of covering the field ( with a translucent) with a roof. All weather. To bring the stadium up towards so called safety could be incorporated into the "Hotel" plans at each end. Furthermore on the current seating arrangements or infrastructure. I would downsize the existing stadium by placing the replay video screens at the very top of each sideline 'grandstand'. With good interior design you can replace some individual seating with 'bays (level) which incorporate seating/or standing and leaning/rails. This provides a space to stand or sit. A space to do a Laurie Nichols without hurting your neighbor.This would lower the overall stadium numbers to maybe 35k but this new design would enhance the Rugby League experience. Corporate boxes will be incorporated into the "hotel complex" facing the field. This possible plan could conceivable pay for itself however the government could pay half the roof costs.? Also on the section between SFS and the SCG (the hotel complex) could also contain a 5-7 thousand tennis /basketball/concert area . Just have the 'rooms' above this section. A major hotel complex would jump at tyhe right to build and mange a 1st class site. Do remember they have many interstate and international teams visiting which then could be accommodated 'onsite'. A 50 year sub lease should encourage a major Hotel chain to build with a few more inducements, like a payroll deduction concession for 10 years. Then we can maybe do the same at Olympic park get the State Government Trust to sign the same deal. I was wrong get the same Hotel chain to do the same with ANZ. Roof and better seating and viewing with minimal costs THEN they could also (hello raider dave) cover stylishly the 'landscaped' and bayed' areas with translucent roof at some suburban grounds.

ah
3 words for you

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dear


god


LOL.... that idea is stupider then your suburban ground one
& thats saying something

 

[macavity]

25k might work if there were no stadium members, but too small for this situation.

That’s the members problem.... time to boot them.

 

[herbert henry1908]

That’s the members problem.... time to boot them.

I’d actually support getting rid of the membership for Allianz, it hurts the clubs that hire the ground too much.

But I think it’s extremely unlikely.

 

[siv]

SCG Trust want 45k for all of those gold passes they sold

If ANZ takes the main rectangular events - why would you want to keep paying for a gold pass

 

[Cumberland Throw]

https://www.change.org/p/premier-be...lympic-stadiums?source_location=discover_feed

 

[herbert henry1908]

https://www.change.org/p/premier-be...lympic-stadiums?source_location=discover_feed

You don’t support that clown, do you?

 

[herbert henry1908]

SCG Trust want 45k for all of those gold passes they sold

If ANZ takes the main rectangular events - why would you want to keep paying for a gold pass

They’ve already taken the main rectangular events though, they took them 20 years ago.

Most of the members are roosters or Waratahs fans that also like cricket.

 

[Generalzod]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-stadiums-but-pay-no-tax-20180221-p4z15v.html

The NRL and AFL generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and do not pay a cent in tax, Fairfax Media can reveal, while calling on the public to pay billions of dollars to build new stadiums as the NSW government faces an internal revolt over its $2 billion plan.


The new figures come as disgruntled Coalition MPs openly criticise the project, worried it is increasingly being ridiculed in the electorate after NSW Liberal MP Matthew Mason-Cox described the plan as difficult "to justify".

NSW Liberal MP Jonathan O'Dea told Fairfax Media he was encouraging community feedback and said "negative responses can often help a government refine its message or position".

Experts have labelled the tax-free concessions of the country’s two richest leagues and their clubs “a rort that is open to abuse” and called on them to follow the National Football League in the US and give up their tax-free status.

The concessions have led to operating surpluses increasing: in the AFL it has risen by 63 per cent to $330 million over the decade to 2016; in the NRL it has doubled to reach $133 million over the same period.


Chief economist at the Australia Institute Richard Denniss said it was time for both the NRL and AFL to cough up to help pay for infrastructure.

“I think the fact these sports pay no corporate tax and then turn around and ask the taxpayer to fund the stage on which their performance is played out is absurd and obscene,” he said.

Victorian taxpayers are also expected to fork out millions of dollars in election commitments to upgrade sporting facilities at Ethihad Stadium and other venues, despite fans being frustrated by years of ticket price rises going into administrators coffers.

The leagues and clubs are tax exempt under an 81-year-old provision that was designed to allow volunteer, community organisations to pay no tax in exchange for providing local facilities and encouraging sport participation.

The revenues of both codes have grown astronomically since 1936 through multibillion-dollar TV deals and lucrative gambling and alcohol advertising.

Executive pay for the sports adminstrators is also up by 40 per cent over the past decade. AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan earned $1.7 million in 2016, although his predecessor Andrew Demetriou made as much as $3.8 million in 2013.

The AFL recorded a loss of $17 million last year, but has recorded a net profit, after distributions, of between $2 million and $26 million every year since 2007 apart from 2011.

The NRL made a $45 million profit in 2013 and $21 million in 2014, but made a $10 million loss between 2015 and 2016.

After employee salaries (staff and players pay income tax) and operating costs, the surpluses are distributed tax-free to clubs, helping them build suburban property and entertainment empires at the same time as funding community infrastructure.

NRL clubs, including the Parramatta Eels and the Sydney Roosters have turned multimillion-dollar profits in the past two financial years, likewise Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles in the AFL, while up to half of the clubs in both codes struggle to break even.

Club profits, after tax on poker machine proceeds, are supposed to be reinvested in facilities for members and the community, but there is no oversight of where the money is spent, a former member of the federal government's tax concession working group, Ann O'Connell, said.

“There is no accountability here, none,” Professor O’Connell said. “If they were large charities they would at least have to make public audited accounts."

The University of Melbourne tax expert said sport had no place in the not-profit-space.

“It seems to me the way they operate is that it is all about profit and generating surpluses through gambling and media rights, not just the encouragement of sport.”

She said loose rules allowing clubs to recruit temporary members when they signed into the clubs and not pay tax on their spending “was an obvious rort that was open to abuse”.

AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said the sports income and assets “were solely for the purpose of encouraging and supporting the game of Australian rules football” but declined to comment on the AFL’s push for taxpayer funding of infrastructure.

The NRL did not return multiple requests for comment.