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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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What I don’t get about this piece is it’s hardly news that sporting organisations don’t pay corporate tax.

They do however pay other forms of taxes. Clubs pay taxes on pokies for instance, most of the games revenue goes to players and they pay huge amounts of income tax.
 
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Yeah, love the selectiveness of the article. Parramatta Rugby League Football Club posted a massive loss, whilst the Eastern Suburbs Rugby League Football Club (trading as the Sydney Roosters) also posted a loss. They only balanced their respective books due to grants from their respective leagues clubs which I believe both made a profit, and those profits are ploughed back into the football clubs which is what they were designed to do.
 

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...l/news-story/3a2c8f89ae6d4f6d33d2e78a917d2972

Allianz stadium rebuild prioritised for NSW cabinet approval

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM March 6, 2018
  • Andrew Clennell
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The final business case for the knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium is set to go to NSW cabinet as early as this week, before a “strategic business case” for a knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium goes before ministers.

The Australian has already revealed an expected cost blowout found by Infrastructure NSW in its early reviews of the project for the final business case — taking the cost of rebuilding Allianz (Sydney Football Stadium) at Moore Park in Sydney’s east from $705 million in November to as high as $900m.

The significance of the timing of both business cases going to cabinet is that there is speculation in government circles that Sports Minister Stuart Ayres might push through the knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium but push to delay or dump the knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium as Premier Gladys Berejiklian grapples with how to sell a $2.7 billion stadium reconstruction to the NSW public.

The $2.7bn is made up of $900m for Allianz, $1.25bn for ANZ, $200m spent buying back ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park from the private sector, and more than $300m spent on building the new Parramatta Stadium.

The Australian has revealed blowouts in costs for the proposed new Allianz stadium include moving Cricket NSW headquarters, compensation to the teams during construction, and construction over a bigger footprint than was first anticipated.

The government’s plan involves the construction of Allianz first, with work to begin before next March’s election, with ANZ to follow shortly afterwards.

Last Friday, as she announced $4.5bn worth of proceeds from the Snowy Hydro sale to the federal government, the Premier said it was “absolutely ... my intention” to continue with the reconstruction of both stadiums, despite the issue causing much public heat.

Ms Berejiklian continues to defend the spending but government sources continue to predict a government backdown once the business cases are in and show blowouts.
 

El Diablo

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i wonder how much this has to do with stadiums?

it would be impossible to say seeing it's been 12 months since the last one and the Stadium strategy was still in place then

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...l/news-story/53ade884e0708afd5cd465212feb6887

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian sliding into strife: Newspoll

Gladys Berejiklian’s Coalition government has surrendered its lead over Labor a year out from a state election, raising the serious risk of a hung parliament, as voters continue to drift to minor parties and dissatisfaction with the NSW Premier’s performance rises.

A Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, finds the Liberal-Nationals Coalition deadlocked with Labor in two-party-preferred terms, compared with the 51-49 lead the government held in the previous poll a year ago.

The Coalition’s primary vote fell two points to 38 per cent in the past 12 months, while Labor has remained steady on 34 per cent compared with the previous Newspoll taken shortly after Mike Baird’s resignation and Ms Berejiklian taking over.

Based on the latest Newspoll, Ms Berejiklian’s government has suffered a 4.3 per cent swing on a two-party-preferred basis since the March 2015 victory of Mr Baird. The government’s primary vote has dropped 7.6 per cent from the 2015 election result — all of that moving to minor parties.

The vote for minor parties has risen two points to 28 per cent as the major parties have been unable to claw back support. The Greens are on 11 per cent, up one percentage point, One Nation is on 8 per cent (unchanged) and others (which include the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, Christian Democrats and Australian Conservatives) are on 9 per cent, up one.

Ms Berejiklian’s dissatisfaction rating has grown from a year ago, up from 21 to 35 per cent, but she is still in positive territory, with her satisfaction rating at 45 per cent.

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The poll result will put pressure on the Premier for a partial windback of her controversial decision to spend $2.7 billion on stadiums, a policy the opposition has successfully targeted. It will also put pressure on the Premier to do a better sales job of the government’s achievements than she has managed in her one year in the job. The result may even be used by some of the Premier’s ministers to argue for a pre-election reshuffle of her cabinet.

Opposition Leader Luke Foley’s satisfaction rating is at 37 per cent (up five) with dissatisfaction at 35 per cent (down one) and 28 per cent uncommitted, marking the first time his net satisfaction rating is positive.

On the question of who is the better premier, Ms Berejiklian had 43 per cent support (unchanged) and Mr Foley 25 per cent (up four) with 32 per cent uncommitted.

The survey was based on 1526 interviews with voters conducted over the past month.

A uniform swing against the government of 4.3 per cent since the 2015 election would cost the Coalition six seats — leaving it in power by just one seat, with 47 votes in the 93-seat Legislative Assembly. But such swings are typically not uniform and, with an optional preferential system in NSW, the decline in primary vote points to a likely minority government for either side.

In NSW, the Coalition tends to have to win more of the two party-preferred vote than 50 per cent to win a majority because so much of its vote is locked up in safe seats representing the one million people in the north shore of Sydney.

In 1991, the Coalition won 52.7 per cent of the vote but only won a one-seat majority. In 1995, the Coalition won 51.2 per cent of the vote but John Fahey lost the election to Bob Carr.

If the poll swing identified in the latest Newspoll were uniform at an election, Deputy Premier John Barilaro would lose his seat of Monaro, with other losses in Upper Hunter, East Hills, Coogee, Tweed and East Hills.

The government hopes it can win Orange back off Shooters MP Phil Donato and both Labor and the Coalition fancy their chances of taking Ballina from the Greens.

The Australian has been told by both Liberal and Labor sources that the seat of Penrith, held by Sports Minister Stuart Ayres, which is the next seat off the rank at 6.2 per cent, is expected to fall to Labor. That would leave other seats such as Goulburn, Oatley, Holsworth and Heathcote — all held with margins of less than 8 per cent — in play.

If the poll result is repeated on election day, two Greens and two independents could hold the balance of power, with the government having the option of making Lake Macquarie independent MP Greg Piper Speaker and hoping Sydney independent MP Alex Greenwich sides with the Coalition to create a majority.

The poll result comes after a difficult couple of months for the government, which have involved continuing controversy over the government’s stadiums spending, a train strike, controversy over the naming of a ferry “Ferry McFerryface” by Transport Minister Andrew Constance and the botched rollout of a cash-for-cans scheme by Environment Minister Gabrielle Upton.

Ms Berejiklian’s satisfaction rating is up one point from February last year but up 10 points from the rating for Mr Baird in November 2016, when a record Orange by-election loss devastated the government following Mr Baird’s botched greyhound racing ban.

Mr Baird’s rating had dived by more than 20 points.

This poll was also taken during the Barnaby Joyce scandal.

There had been faint hopes within the NSW Coalition that the federal government would hold its election later this year — before the state poll.

This would guard against any anti-federal Coalition backlash at the state election and help Ms Berejiklian’s prospects. But continuing chaos in Canberra has the Premier believing hers will be the first election.
 
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NSW govt’s best chance of being returned is the federal election going first, which it most likely will. Labor are very likely to win the federal election, which will give some people pause about voting in labor at a state level too.
 
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i wonder how much this has to do with stadiums?

it would be impossible to say seeing it's been 12 months since the last one and the Stadium strategy was still in place then

It would be an issue, but I think things like WestConnex, trains, light rail and the like are probably bigger issues.
 

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Berejiklian could probably sell it as part of a bigger infrastructure package of developing the area along the waterside from Rhodes to out west and using Olympic Park as one of the areas for further renewal.

Rebuilding Allianz to 45k and leaving ANZ a cavernous shithole makes zero sense. Been to one league game there and never went back. Also went to Twenty20 a few years back. Absolute garbage dump of a stadium for any sport.

Tell the trust to f**k off.

Yet Ayres is apparently "Minister for Sport" and "Minister for Western Sydney." Joke
 
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I can feel it in my bones that a GF will be heading up here to Brisbane very soon.

And tbh, it’s not what I want to see. The QLD gov has had it’s own issues over the years but f**k me NSW, sort your stadiums out already.

It would have been if not for Stuart Ayres. He is the problem as he is the one driving the Trusts view on things. As soon as Baird was out of the picture as Premier, he worked on getting that Stadium Strategy changed to what it now is.
 

TheRam

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How hard is it to build another Parra stadium style stadium around 35k though and throw a freakin roof on it as well? I believe all stadiums used by the NRL should have roofs. We are the most finicky of supporters, me included, and want absolute comfort and zero hassle or we/I'm staying home. Especially if the transport puts me out. More then 500m from the train station is a problem. Yeah call me whatever you like, but I am not alone and the numbers or lack of them backs me up.

When you consider that the NRL is at saturation point on TV, and there are so many games on during the season proper, which don't get me wrong, is a great thing on both counts, there in lies the problem. To get us/me off my arse and spend more of my hard earned, you had better provide one hell of an experience that surpasses the cheap as chips and convenience that my lounge room always offers. Hell I could be getting a blowie from my girlfriend while eating buffalo wings and guzzling sparkling ciders, as my beloved Parra are going over for a victory sealing try. Go Hansy! You good thing!!! That's the sort of thing, plus or minus the blowie, that the NRL is competing with.

But at the moment more then half the games lack any real atmosphere, food outlets are ridiculously expensive, not easy, and I mean easy to get to by public transport, and other then the SFS, which is the home to probably the weakest supporter base in the comp, oh the irony, and again not easy to get to unless you live in the area, the other suburban grounds are just parks badly impersonating 21st century stadiums that can offer all the bells and whistles.

Parra will be addressing this very shortly, but still if you are coming from out of the local area, it is not ideal public transport wise. A train to Parra, yeah sure, easy from most parts of Sydney, but then you need to get off and catch a bus, tram when available, or walk. Now like I said, it needs to be very, very easy to entice the Sydney fare weather fickle fan. Depending where you're coming from, you may need to first catch a bus to the train station, then the train then another bus or tram. Hardly a convenience and remember, you need to do this twice, the return. Now throw in kids, weather, food, seating arrangements and the lounge room is looking mighty awesome.

So getting back to the SFS, if they built a Para style stadium and threw a roof over it, then surely it wouldn't cost much more then 500mil. But hey, that's way to logical and not political.
 
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El Diablo

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It would have been if not for Stuart Ayres. He is the problem as he is the one driving the Trusts view on things. As soon as Baird was out of the picture as Premier, he worked on getting that Stadium Strategy changed to what it now is.
Ayres is the minister for Tony Shepherd/GWS
 

Zadar

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How hard is it to build another Parra stadium style stadium around 35k though and throw a freakin roof on it as well? I believe all stadiums used by the NRL should have roofs. We are the most finicky of supporters, me included, and want absolute comfort and zero hassle or we/I'm staying home. Especially if the transport puts me out. More then 500m from the train station is a problem. Yeah call me whatever you like, but I am not alone and the numbers or lack of them backs me up.

When you consider that the NRL is at saturation point on TV, and there are so many games on during the season proper, which don't get me wrong, is a great thing on both counts, there in lies the problem. To get us/me off my arse and spend more of my hard earned, you had better provide one hell of an experience that surpasses the cheap as chips and convenience that my lounge room always offers. Hell I could be getting a blowie from my girlfriend while eating buffalo wings and guzzling sparkling ciders, as my beloved Parra are going over for a victory sealing try. Go Hansy! You good thing!!! That's the sort of thing, plus or minus the blowie, that the NRL is competing with.

But at the moment more then half the games lack any real atmosphere, food outlets are ridiculously expensive, not easy, and I mean easy to get to by public transport, and other then the SFS, which is the home to probably the weakest supporter base in the comp, oh the irony, and again not easy to get to unless you live in the area, the other suburban grounds are just parks badly impersonating 21st century stadiums that can offer all the bells and whistles.

Parra will be addressing this very shortly, but still if you are coming from out of the local area, it is not ideal public transport wise. A train to Parra, yeah sure, easy from most parts of Sydney, but then you need to get off and catch a bus, tram when available, or walk. Now like I said, it needs to be very, very easy to entice the Sydney fare weather fickle fan. Depending where you're coming from, you may need to first catch a bus to the train station, then the train then another bus or tram. Hardly a convenience and remember, you need to do this twice, the return. Now throw in kids, weather, food, seating arrangements and the lounge room is looking mighty awesome.

So getting back to the SFS, if they built a Para style stadium and threw a roof over it, then surely it wouldn't cost much more then 500mil. But hey, that's way to logical and not political.

Agree about the stadiums needing to attract the supporters, but on a quick count, since the 2000 season parra has averaged out at about 13,000 per season, easts at about 12,500, so it’s not like parra a breaking records in crowd figures to warrant a new stadium more than another Sydney team. Allianz stadium is also home to the Waratahs and Sydney FC.
 
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