The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[El Diablo]

they have to future proof things

they didn't need 8 lanes when they built the harbour bridge

 

[TheRam]

Agree about the stadiums needing to attract the supporters, but on a quick count, since the 2000 season parra has averaged out at about 13,000 per season, easts at about 12,500, so it’s not like parra a breaking records in crowd figures to warrant a new stadium more than another Sydney team. Allianz stadium is also home to the Waratahs and Sydney FC.

Yeah sure, but for about half of that time Parra has been a freakin shite of a team on the field, where as the Roasters have consistently been one of the best teams and winning a couple of titles along the way.

Again, location has equal if not more significance on peoples decision when assessing whether to attend a game or not. And as mentioned before quality and atmosphere of stadiums, price of tickets, this year will be a great improvement across the board I believe, food prices, especially when you have kids and of course the all important motivation to endure all of the above if they are perceived as negative. Then to add to all of that, it would make it even less likely for the average punter to attend if their team is a cellar dweller. Sure these are all excuses. I agree. BUT......that is all I and many, many tens of thousands need to instead stay at home or go do something else that may no be as taxing or expensive. Sydney is a great city with many distractions that as the years go on, because of the bumbling idiots who have hijacked our game for the past 20 years now, have allowed it to become less relevant or important to many of the young in particular. So if you can't give them an NFL, Premier league or dare I say it, AFL esque experience they couldn't give a toss. For many it just isn't seen as cool. Half empty stadiums/parks just doesn't cut it in the cool stakes. These are years of lost opportunities that can not be reclaimed easily if ever.

Again I believe that the quality of the new Parra Stadium, with its high wraparound spectator seating and all encompassing intimate size, will make it the best suburban stadium probably in Australia to watch the game of RL. But due to its location and public transport inadequacies(needing multiple public transports to get there if you don't live locally) it may still suffer in the long term to be filled consistently over the 25k+ mark. But I also believe that Parra should be able to average at least around 20k in any year that we are considered a good chance for the semis and or premiership. At least for the first 5 years of the stadium opening.

But seamless transport to and from high quality stadiums together with good ticket and food/beverage pricing is imperative for any true growth in crowds to occur. Especially for a city as chilled and arrogant as Sydney. I think we can get most of the all of the above, bar the transport. That has a long, long way to go if ever for our stadiums to have train drop off at the front door type of access. Sadly. Therefore I predict that our league crowds will probably cap at around 20k average...if the NRL did everything else just right.

 

[some11]

Rebuilding Allianz to 45k and leaving ANZ a cavernous shithole makes zero sense.

Exactly, all the big events are played at ANZ no?

So why leave it with shitty seats a million miles away from the action.

 

[Diesel]

It’s interesting to me that the clubs using the SFS get compensation for having to move their games next door to the SCG, while businesses affected by the light rail construction get nothing.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Agree about the stadiums needing to attract the supporters, but on a quick count, since the 2000 season parra has averaged out at about 13,000 per season, easts at about 12,500, so it’s not like parra a breaking records in crowd figures to warrant a new stadium more than another Sydney team. Allianz stadium is also home to the Waratahs and Sydney FC.

New stadiums aren’t just about their size.

It’s about facilities as much as anything, and viewing angles.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It’s interesting to me that the clubs using the SFS get compensation for having to move their games next door to the SCG, while businesses affected by the light rail construction get nothing.

The clubs had existing leases with what is essentially a govt owned entity.

 

[Suitman]

The clubs had existing leases with what is essentially a govt owned entity.

Was this the case with the Wanderers and the Eels?
Weren't they in the same boat being forced to move just like the toffs from the east are being asked to do?
I'm curious to know what the difference in the respective club contracts were with their stadiums, and why the clubs associated with Allianz expect compensation, while both the Eels and Wanderers were never offered this option.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Was this the case with the Wanderers and the Eels?
Weren't they in the same boat being forced to move just like the toffs from the east are being asked to do?
I'm curious to know what the difference in the respective club contracts were with their stadiums, and why the clubs associated with Allianz expect compensation, while both the Eels and Wanderers were never offered this option.

Good question, I’m honestly not 100% sure.

One difference may be it was parramatta & the WSW who led the charge to have the stadium rebuilt, where as the clubs at Allianz were quite reluctant for a full rebuild. Early on they expressed concerns that it would damage them financially. Seems like it’s essentially been driven by the trust.

 

[Jamberoo]

i bet not handing money to the AFL won't go down well in Victoriania

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t/news-story/913adf221cbdec667640384ea60cbcec

Libs to shelve $300m Etihad plan, use cash for grassroots sport

Michael Warner, Exclusive, Herald Sun
March 4, 2018 8:49am

A $300 MILLION Etihad Stadium rebuild would be shelved under a Liberal plan to pour taxpayers’ money into grassroots sport.

Opposition leader Matthew Guy has declared Victorian voters should be given the right to decide the future of Melbourne’s sporting infrastructure at November’s state election.

The AFL and Andrews Government are on the verge of signing off on a major taxpayer-funded deal to revamp the rundown Docklands stadium.

But the Coaltion want the talks to stop and the public to decide.

“If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades including building new female change rooms,” Mr Guy told the Sunday Herald Sun.

“It’s about time that our suburban and country sporting clubs rather than just the AFL got some support from the state government.”

The AFL, which recently bought Etihad Stadium for about $200m, wants to breathe new life into the Docklands precinct by opening the ground out to a sprawling waterfront entertainment zone.

Open-air bars, restaurants, parks and a running track would be built, along with a 1500-seat ballroom to host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

Community yoga classes on the Etihad playing surface have also been spruiked.

Shadow treasurer Michael O’Brien said Mr Andrews “has no mandate to enter into any lucrative deal with the AFL at the expense of Victoria’s community sporting clubs”.

“No contract should be signed before the election.” Mr O’Brien said.

“The AFL bought Etihad Stadium as a property investment. Good luck to it. But Victorians don’t expect their taxes to prop up the AFL’s finances at the expense of the sporting needs of kids right across our state.

“If he (Andrews) believes that Victorians want their money handed to the AFL, he must have the courage to put it to November’s election.

“Let Victorians decide at the next election between Matthew Guy’s vision for community sport or Daniel Andrews’ plan to hand over buckets of cash to the AFL to renovate just one stadium.”

A government taskforce including Mr Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas, Major Projects Minister Jacinta Allan, Planning Minister Richard Wynne and Sports Minister John Eren — has been reviewing the state’s stadiums and sporting precincts since November 2016.

Government sources say a green light for the Etihad Stadium makeover would likely require the AFL to spend more on women’s facilities around the state.

In a pitch document presented last year, the AFL hinted a revamped Etihad Stadium would be a major vote winner for the government.

“Involvement in this project would ensure the Andrews Government’s legacy as a dynamic, visionary government,” the document said.

“Importantly, this would be achieved for a fraction of the cost of stadium projects in other states.”

Mr Guy added: “I won’t hand over millions of dollars to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium, my goal will be to prioritise funding to our suburban and country sports clubs,” Mr Guy said.

“Grassroots football, netball, cricket, basketball and soccer clubs are crying out for state government support.”

michael.warner@news.com.au

Most of us could not care less. Bulk of the funds are for a precinct upgrade. The actual stadium is not loved by all, but does not need upgrading.

 

[Vee]

Yeah sure, but for about half of that time Parra has been a freakin shite of a team on the field, where as the Roasters have consistently been one of the best teams and winning a couple of titles along the way.

Again, location has equal if not more significance on peoples decision when assessing whether to attend a game or not. And as mentioned before quality and atmosphere of stadiums, price of tickets, this year will be a great improvement across the board I believe, food prices, especially when you have kids and of course the all important motivation to endure all of the above if they are perceived as negative. Then to add to all of that, it would make it even less likely for the average punter to attend if their team is a cellar dweller. Sure these are all excuses. I agree. BUT......that is all I and many, many tens of thousands need to instead stay at home or go do something else that may no be as taxing or expensive. Sydney is a great city with many distractions that as the years go on, because of the bumbling idiots who have hijacked our game for the past 20 years now, have allowed it to become less relevant or important to many of the young in particular. So if you can't give them an NFL, Premier league or dare I say it, AFL esque experience they couldn't give a toss. For many it just isn't seen as cool. Half empty stadiums/parks just doesn't cut it in the cool stakes. These are years of lost opportunities that can not be reclaimed easily if ever.

Again I believe that the quality of the new Parra Stadium, with its high wraparound spectator seating and all encompassing intimate size, will make it the best suburban stadium probably in Australia to watch the game of RL. But due to its location and public transport inadequacies(needing multiple public transports to get there if you don't live locally) it may still suffer in the long term to be filled consistently over the 25k+ mark. But I also believe that Parra should be able to average at least around 20k in any year that we are considered a good chance for the semis and or premiership. At least for the first 5 years of the stadium opening.

But seamless transport to and from high quality stadiums together with good ticket and food/beverage pricing is imperative for any true growth in crowds to occur. Especially for a city as chilled and arrogant as Sydney. I think we can get most of the all of the above, bar the transport. That has a long, long way to go if ever for our stadiums to have train drop off at the front door type of access. Sadly. Therefore I predict that our league crowds will probably cap at around 20k average...if the NRL did everything else just right.

Paragraphs are your friends .

 

[El Diablo]

but does not need upgrading.

the AFL own it so they should pay for it

 

[Suitman]

Good question, I’m honestly not 100% sure.

One difference may be it was parramatta & the WSW who led the charge to have the stadium rebuilt, where as the clubs at Allianz were quite reluctant for a full rebuild. Early on they expressed concerns that it would damage them financially. Seems like it’s essentially been driven by the trust.

Actually, the Eels and Wanderers did not lead any charge for an upgrade personally. Sure, there were certain cries for a better stadium, but it was the Baird govt who forged ahead with the plan.
The Eels and Wanderers demanded by stealth - by and large through many sold out attendances, and that was at a time when the Eels were shite. I doubt whether this would have gone ahead without a second tenant, which the Wanderers provided, making it a year round venue.
Even if the sell outs weren't regular enough, it was a basic fact that western Sydney needed a larger stadium than what Parramatta could offer.
Thank f**k that the govt pulled their finger out and got the stadium approved and being built in a very short time frame. They rolled over the greenies and the old fart pool lovers and bulldozed ahead.
The pool lovers will eventually get a bigger and better facility to compensate for their short term loss. They'll be happy eventually. Planning for that replacement facility is well under way.
It's such a shame that Peter Fitzbandanna has become such a cock re the rebuilding of ANZ.
This is truly the one stadium in Australia that needs an upgrade.
I cannot believe that this rugby loving dickhead doesn't think that Sydney really needs a proper Twickenham, or Millenium Stadium, or a Wembley. No, let's just be happy with an AFL happy shithouse stadium in this country's capital of rectangular sports.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/36467bbc8d3d305b5c01ba4955520c85

NRL bosses meet minister to learn how to sell building new stadiums to fans

Anna Caldwell, The Daily Telegraph
March 6, 2018 11:00pm

NRL bosses Todd Greenberg and Peter Beattie met privately with Sports Minister Stuart Ayres yesterday over how to sell the government’s policy to tear down and rebuild the state’s two biggest stadiums.

As the Berejiklian government stares down political pressure over its $2.3 billion scheme, The Daily Telegraph can reveal it is doubling down on how to communicate its economic benefits to voters.

It is understood the NRL believes its Origin and grand final content alone at the new Allianz and ANZ stadiums will deliver $1.7 billion in economic value to the state over the course of the agreement to play at the new venues.

New Australian Rugby League chair Beattie and NRL boss Greenberg were seen leaving state parliament yesterday.

It is understood the NRL has raised with the government that it wants to do more to communicate to fans the benefits of both stadiums.

“They want to be on the front foot to communicate that the new benefits would be great for the game,” a source said. It is understood the NRL has been privately concerned the government could back away from the ANZ portion of the rebuild plan.

A spokesman said the NRL believed the government would deliver the stadiums deal it set out last year.

“That will see three world-class stadiums built in Sydney and our content alone will deliver about $1.7 billion in economic benefits for the state,” he said.

That figure relates to 25 years of the memorandum of understanding agreed to last year, in which the NRL will guarantee delivery of a string of major grand finals to the city.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian delivered a fiery performance in Question Time yesterday, saying while the government had put its stadiums policy on the record, the opposition was yet to reveal its own. She stated repeatedly that the government would back its building record in the state, which stood in stark contrast with Labor’s.

 

[Perth Red]

It is understood the NRL believes its Origin and grand final content alone at the new Allianz and ANZ stadiums will deliver $1.7 billion in economic value to the state over the course of the agreement to play at the new venues.

How will GF and Origin create financial return for an Allianz rebuild? The problem with throwing out statements like above is it is just fodder for the union chap and negative media to pull apart. If anything the NRL should be distancing itself from the Allianz part of the deal and putting all the focus on the benefits of rebuilding ANZ. Allianz is a nice to have but not essential. ANZ has to be done for the NRL to benefit.

 

[El Diablo]

The problem with throwing out statements like above is it is just fodder for the union chap and negative media to pull apart

that's not a statement issued by anyone at the NRL

 

[Perth Red]

A spokesman said the NRL believed the government would deliver the stadiums deal it set out last year.

“That will see three world-class stadiums built in Sydney and our content alone will deliver about $1.7 billion in economic benefits for the state,” he said.

The use of "our" would suggest this spokesman is from the NRL?

 

[El Diablo]

A spokesman said the NRL believed the government would deliver the stadiums deal it set out last year.

“That will see three world-class stadiums built in Sydney and our content alone will deliver about $1.7 billion in economic benefits for the state,” he said.

The use of "our" would suggest this spokesman is from the NRL?

that is entirely different statement to what you posted which says Origins and GF's will deliver $1.7 billion which made you then ask the question below

How will GF and Origin create financial return for an Allianz rebuild?

 

[Perth Red]

Fair enough, I'm guessing the first statement was made off the back of the second quote. Wonder how much economic benefit is generated from your run of the mill NRL games at Allianz and ANZ?

 

[El Diablo]

no idea but ANZ stadium was paying some clubs $100k a game to play there and now the Government owns it

 

[herbert henry1908]

A spokesman said the NRL believed the government would deliver the stadiums deal it set out last year.

“That will see three world-class stadiums built in Sydney and our content alone will deliver about $1.7 billion in economic benefits for the state,” he said.

The use of "our" would suggest this spokesman is from the NRL?

Our content includes the NRL club matches. Pretty simple.