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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

T-Boon

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Anyway once the stadium building starts the NRL should start leaking stories that we are going to renege on the deal...or maybe we won't, who knows. The commitment is really up in the air. Wait, yep, we are committed to it but maybe next week we won't be and maybe we have to have another look at what our commitment is, look at the design plans of that commitment, run it by the budget department of the NRL compare it to what we could be getting elsewhere.
Get some QLD rugby league journalist who wears a strange hat and really hates Sydney to organise a protest of some sort. Have a crisis meeting three months out from the grand final every year with the agenda "we urgently need to move the GF to Brisbane for health reasons...or do we". Greenberg could announce in the morning that we are moving the GF to Brisbane as a matter of urgency then Beattie could announce in the afternoon that a final decision hasn't been made yet and we still have a commitment to having some sort of GF in Sydney maybe the GF of the NSW Cup.
 

Vee

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His responses give me hope that they haven’t actually signed the 25 year Grand Final deal yet. He seems to imply we still have some leverage to influence the final design. We’ll see.

Leigh.
He's all talk, you'll see.
 

Quidgybo

Bench
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Just to drive the point home. Roof extensions only cover bowl at ends of ground. Great if you’re a soccer fan, not so good for Rugby League.

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El Diablo

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/2867b4d0d1ad6ec8c53ab5c1cc67bc8b

Stadiums backdown: Premier fails on two counts
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Gladys Berejiklian had two political tasks today when she finally decided to back down on her stadiums decision.

The first was to reduce the $2.5 billion spending on stadiums to such a level that the issue would become null and void for NSW voters — probably around the $1.6 billion that Mike Baird originally promised for three stadiums. The other was to communicate the issue so punters understood.

The Premier failed on both counts and, sadly, this issue is going nowhere, as the Labor Opposition is still able to argue the money would be better spent on schools and hospitals.

One thing the Premier could have done was reduce the proposed 45,000-seat Allianz Stadium in Moore Park to 30,000 capacity — the same as the Parramatta facility.

Together with turning the ANZ Stadium rebuild into a renovation, this would have brought the bill right down.

But the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust and Stuart Ayres have made a point of pushing hard for the 45,000-seat facility, to attempt to take events off ANZ Stadium and Sydney Olympic Park.

Part of the Allianz business case released yesterday actually suggests: “Possible course of action for the government might be to proceed on the basis of 40,000 seats as a minimum capacity and 45,000 seats as a target capacity, with the final stadium capacity to be determined once more detailed design work had been completed and before any tender documents were released to the market.”

This suggests an original plan by Ayres and the Trust to have a 55,000-seat facility could still come to fruition.

Opposition Leader Luke Foley was brutal. “This is rotten to the core; she’s building an entirely new stadium at Moore Park just to get Alan Jones (an SCG Trust member) editorialising for her every morning,” he claimed in a media conference.

Asked about Mr Foley’s comment, Mr Jones said: “Luke is a very silly man to be talking like that.”

The fact Ms Berejiklian would not reveal how many times she had spoken to Mr Jones on the issue yesterday did not help her cause. Also on the Trust is Ms Berejiklian’s mentor, former premier Barry O’Farrell, who was seen in Mr Ayres’ office in parliament a fortnight ago.

The Premier kept saying she had “listened to the community” and done her “homework”.

She seemed to have nothing else to say — unable to articulate in proper everyday language how she had listened and had responded to public outcry on the spend. Pride made sure that when asked if she would say sorry over the stadiums affair, she declined to do so.

At one point, ironically, she chastised Mr Ayres to use “everyday language”.

And Mr Ayres and Ms Berejiklian differed over whether she was going to abolish the SCG Trust; the Premier said it was possible, Mr Ayres said no.

It’s the fourth major backflip by Ms Berejiklian in her 13 months in the job.

Last November, she told a business audience: “When we make a decision, we make that decision clearly known and we stick to it.”

In fact, in her 12 months in the job, it has been exactly the opposite.

Two years ago on the Thursday before Easter, Mike Baird announced his stadiums position. It has taken that long for the debate to roll on without a sod turned.
 

Diesel

Referee
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His responses give me hope that they haven’t actually signed the 25 year Grand Final deal yet. He seems to imply we still have some leverage to influence the final design. We’ll see.

Leigh.
Living in QLD I have mixed thoughts on Beattie, but his reply is encouraging.

Beattie is also engaging with fans, something Todd doesn’t do
 

Raiderdave

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Living in QLD I have mixed thoughts on Beattie, but his reply is encouraging.

Beattie is also engaging with fans, something Todd doesn’t do

he does engage yes
as long as he isn't blowing smoke up butts tho

Its our turn to renege
backflip
change our minds
bow to pressure ... from the codes fans

& say
on second thoughts
naaaaahhhhh..... no deal
 

Raiderdave

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So in otherwords the ANZ stadium is the same lol just a paint job.

yep
so leave it , why spend 800 Million on it when it won't be improved all that much
If the all powerful SCG Trust are the actual Govt & run the state & there is no way the plan for Allianz will change

then leave ANZ as is
don't touch it
& the 800 Million that was going to be the lipstick on that pig
put into Allianz & do it properly
a 70K seat super stadium with a roof that will be the envy of the world

its a better outcome then the dross being proposed atm
 

T-Boon

Coach
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I don't think the roofing at ANZ is that big of an issue for RL. Lets face it if it is raining or slightly overcast in Sydney on gameday or even the day before the fans are watching on TV regardless of whether it is fully roofed, half roofed or not roofed.
The bigger problem in my opinion is getting the angle/pitch of the bits being moved in right. They have to increase the pitch.
 

Quidgybo

Bench
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Can only hope these impressions were hastily arranged and don’t reflect the final design, the odd standing area behind the lower bowl might point towards that too? Surely it couldn’t look like that?
That seems to actually be on level 2, not part of the main bowl. Maybe a large outdoor bar area for the corporates? Given the top decks aren’t moving in I suppose they’ve got to make up some of that horizontal space somewhere.

Leigh.
 
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insert.pause

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judging by those renders, anyone in the middle to back rows of the upper tiers wont be able to see the field, the angle just doesn't look great enough.
 

Quidgybo

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judging by those renders, anyone in the middle to back rows of the upper tiers wont be able to see the field, the angle just doesn't look great enough.
That’d be what those big standing areas on level 2 are for - to bring the bowl closer to the sideline without lowering the field too far. If instead of those they just kept digging down further they’d end up with a massive bowl and the near sideline out of sight of the upper decks.

Leigh.
 
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/2867b4d0d1ad6ec8c53ab5c1cc67bc8b

Stadiums backdown: Premier fails on two counts
48ad67fb4414ef4d694d7ac7f8cfa7a0

Gladys Berejiklian had two political tasks today when she finally decided to back down on her stadiums decision.

The first was to reduce the $2.5 billion spending on stadiums to such a level that the issue would become null and void for NSW voters — probably around the $1.6 billion that Mike Baird originally promised for three stadiums. The other was to communicate the issue so punters understood.

The Premier failed on both counts and, sadly, this issue is going nowhere, as the Labor Opposition is still able to argue the money would be better spent on schools and hospitals.

One thing the Premier could have done was reduce the proposed 45,000-seat Allianz Stadium in Moore Park to 30,000 capacity — the same as the Parramatta facility.

Together with turning the ANZ Stadium rebuild into a renovation, this would have brought the bill right down.

But the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust and Stuart Ayres have made a point of pushing hard for the 45,000-seat facility, to attempt to take events off ANZ Stadium and Sydney Olympic Park.

Part of the Allianz business case released yesterday actually suggests: “Possible course of action for the government might be to proceed on the basis of 40,000 seats as a minimum capacity and 45,000 seats as a target capacity, with the final stadium capacity to be determined once more detailed design work had been completed and before any tender documents were released to the market.”

This suggests an original plan by Ayres and the Trust to have a 55,000-seat facility could still come to fruition.

Opposition Leader Luke Foley was brutal. “This is rotten to the core; she’s building an entirely new stadium at Moore Park just to get Alan Jones (an SCG Trust member) editorialising for her every morning,” he claimed in a media conference.

Asked about Mr Foley’s comment, Mr Jones said: “Luke is a very silly man to be talking like that.”

The fact Ms Berejiklian would not reveal how many times she had spoken to Mr Jones on the issue yesterday did not help her cause. Also on the Trust is Ms Berejiklian’s mentor, former premier Barry O’Farrell, who was seen in Mr Ayres’ office in parliament a fortnight ago.

The Premier kept saying she had “listened to the community” and done her “homework”.

She seemed to have nothing else to say — unable to articulate in proper everyday language how she had listened and had responded to public outcry on the spend. Pride made sure that when asked if she would say sorry over the stadiums affair, she declined to do so.

At one point, ironically, she chastised Mr Ayres to use “everyday language”.

And Mr Ayres and Ms Berejiklian differed over whether she was going to abolish the SCG Trust; the Premier said it was possible, Mr Ayres said no.

It’s the fourth major backflip by Ms Berejiklian in her 13 months in the job.

Last November, she told a business audience: “When we make a decision, we make that decision clearly known and we stick to it.”

In fact, in her 12 months in the job, it has been exactly the opposite.

Two years ago on the Thursday before Easter, Mike Baird announced his stadiums position. It has taken that long for the debate to roll on without a sod turned.


I just don’t see even a 55,000 seat venue stealing many events off ANZ. Perhaps the bledisloe cup? But no promoter is going to want to lose out on that revenue. If it was closer, say only a 5,000 seat difference, then yeah.
 
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yep
so leave it , why spend 800 Million on it when it won't be improved all that much
If the all powerful SCG Trust are the actual Govt & run the state & there is no way the plan for Allianz will change

then leave ANZ as is
don't touch it
& the 800 Million that was going to be the lipstick on that pig
put into Allianz & do it properly
a 70K seat super stadium with a roof that will be the envy of the world

its a better outcome then the dross being proposed atm

All the money going into one stadium would be the better outcome for Sydney, if the dogs & tigers agreed to move to parramatta and Souths to Allianz it could be the best for rugby league too.
 

Quidgybo

Bench
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I just don’t see even a 55,000 seat venue stealing many events off ANZ. Perhaps the bledisloe cup? But not promoter is going to want to lose out on that revenue. If it was closer, say only a 5,000 seat difference, then yeah.
What I don’t get based on the render is how the stadium is losing 12,500 seats. The deep second tier at both ends would seem to make up a fair bit of what’s lost from the old bowl.

Leigh.
 

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